If you have an anti-Christian bias, then this song will be about Jesus to you. However, "get off your fuckin cross" refers to anyone who is playing the part of the martyr for the attention, of which there have been hundreds since Christ. Also, Christ was not surprised to hear his own eulogy, he prophesied it and talked about it frequently, and even stated it was his purpose to die. So, I don't think it's about Jesus. One thing I love about Tool is their songs make people think.. well some of them anyways... if all you can do is bash Christians that doesn't take a lot of brainpower, just repeat what you hear in the media. However, for those of us who have a truly open mind rather than an empty mind filled with nonsense... just hit play.
I've heard somewhere that it's about L. Ron Hubbard. Interesting and valid point you brought up about Jesus. If the song was about Jesus, it wouldn't make any sense.
I've heard somewhere that it's about L. Ron Hubbard. Interesting and valid point you brought up about Jesus. If the song was about Jesus, it wouldn't make any sense.
I created a songmemanings account stricly so that I could reply to this post. I could not agree more with your statements. Thank you for communicating this concept so well.
I created a songmemanings account stricly so that I could reply to this post. I could not agree more with your statements. Thank you for communicating this concept so well.
I think it's definitely about Jesus. He is dead? Christians claim he is the living god, and that he rose from the dead and is currently in heaven. I think the fact that he is telling him to die, is due to the fact that Christ himself said he would die. And that he said he would die for all of us. So if he doesn't die for us, that means he lied, and that he hasn't done what he said he would for us. Hence, "would you die for me? Don't you fucking lie." And I'm sorry, this is...
I think it's definitely about Jesus. He is dead? Christians claim he is the living god, and that he rose from the dead and is currently in heaven. I think the fact that he is telling him to die, is due to the fact that Christ himself said he would die. And that he said he would die for all of us. So if he doesn't die for us, that means he lied, and that he hasn't done what he said he would for us. Hence, "would you die for me? Don't you fucking lie." And I'm sorry, this is off subject, but we live in the fattest nation in the world, yet one of the only things that outnumbers our McDonalds is tax exempt churches... Come on, you're not oppressed. Last I saw, roughly 3/4 of Americans are Christians, too.
The idea of the martyr is metaphorical. The tone is sarcastic, and at the same time grudgingly true. If you read carefully, no one dies. The miss him is that the recipient of the "Eulogy" has stepped down from his cross or pulpit.
<He had a lot to say He had a lot of nothing to say We'll miss him We'll miss him We're gonna miss him We're gonna miss him>
The set up. A person who talks a lot, but what he talks about has now import or merit ("a lot of nothing to say"). Followed up with the refrain "We'll miss him"... he isn't here anymore, and the sarcasm is immediate, since the line "We'll miss him" immediately follows "He had a lot of nothing to say".
<So long We wish you well You told us how you weren't afraid to die Well then, so long Don't cry. Or feel too down Not all martyrs see divinity But at least you tried>
The speaker speaks for some group that the eulogized was a part of. They are sending him off with a "eulogy", but he is not dead. "Don't cry." Don't cry refers to the eulogized and not the group. The group "We" is wishing a the eulogized "you" well. The martyrdom the speaker refers to seems to be how the eulogized must have spoken of and attempted to represent some ideal, the "divinity", but couldn't actually realize or perhaps even follow this ideal (the martyr that fails to see divinity).
<Standing above the crowd, He had a voice that was strong and loud We'll miss him We'll miss him Ranting and pointing his finger At everything but his heart We'll miss him We'll miss him We're gonna miss him We're gonna miss him>
Here is the real beef the speaker has with the eulogized. The person seemed persuasive and showed conviction, but in the end, the eulogized only pointed fingers, in essence, blaming and finding fault, but not with himself. Again the refrain of "we'll miss him", maybe they will miss his theatrics, but the sarcasm is fully there. The speaker points out the negative of the eulogized, and follows with "we'll miss him".
<No way to recall What it was that you had said to me, Like I care at all>
Another mention of how the song's target had nothing of merit to say.
<But it was so loud You sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And so loud>
This sort of paints the eulogized as being so self-delusional as to be a lunatic, ranting about everything, but not in any meaningful way.
<Standing above the crowd, He had a voice so strong and loud and I Swallowed his fa�ade 'cause I'm so Eager to identify with Someone above the ground, Someone who seemed to feel the same, Someone prepared to lead the way, with Someone who would die for me>
And now for heart of it. This points to the speaker's ultimate disillusionment of the eulogized. The speaker believed what the target had to say, because he was under sway of the eulogized person's charisma. He was a voice above the crowd, he stood out. The speaker was eager to identify, as he had similar feelings. It could even be assumed that the eulogized person tapped into the speaker's and others' feelings and sentiments, focused their dissatisfaction, and intimated that he "would die for me". In other words, this eulogized person, by speaking to and for the crowd, persuaded them that he felt as they did, that he was a part of them, and that he would make sacrifices for them. This, of course, was a lie. A facade is a false face.
<Will you? Will you now? Would you die for me? Don't you fucking lie
Don't you step out of line Don't you step out of line Don't you step out of line Don't you fucking lie>
The sarcasm is replaced with anger. By saying "don't step out of line" and "don't lie", this has already been done. The eulogized DID step out of line with what he said. He did lie.
<You've claimed all this time that you would die for me Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?>
You said you would make whatever sacrifice, the sacrifice is your death, and yet you are surprised. The speaker is telling the eulogized that he is dead to the group now, the sacrifice is his role in the group. But the eulogized man is surprised by this. This was not intended, even though he kept claiming that he was a part of them, and that he would "die" for them, make whatever sacrifice. He never intended to make any sacrifice.
<You had a lot to say You had a lot of nothing to say
Come down Get off your fucking cross We need the fucking space to nail the next fool martyr>
Get off the cross. A metaphor that people are tired of hearing the martyr attitude, the woe-is-me. Perhaps here, the nailing of the martyr to the cross was forcing the eulogized person to publicly suffer for the group, some sort of calling out or shaming, and now get the hell out of here. You're dead to us.
<To ascend you must die You must be crucified For our sins and our lies Goodbye... >
The speaker is telling the eulogized that he had promised to sacrifice, that in order to be the true martyr he made himself out to be, he NEEDED to make a sacrifice, so the group made him, perhaps not in the way that he intended, and his use is over to the group.
One could make the case that the speaker is subtly angry at himself and the group as well. He makes mention how he wanted to believe, how the group will miss the eulogized (perhaps missing a martyr, as they need that), and does make mention "for our sins and our lies". Still, he may be saying that last line as a way of throwing it back into the eulogized man's face.
So to recap. The eulogy is for a living man, a man who could hear his own eulogy. A eulogy is supposed to be about the deceased person's merits, but this is about a non-deceased person's ultimate failings. The "goodbye" is the group forcibly sending someone off and away from them.
boy i wish i could edit that... oh well, please forgive some of the typos, i wrote it quick and in one chunk (i'll step off my cross now)
boy i wish i could edit that... oh well, please forgive some of the typos, i wrote it quick and in one chunk (i'll step off my cross now)
Screw the edits..you got your interpretation out. And after reading thru 17 pages of them, this is without a doubt the best! Well done. :)
Screw the edits..you got your interpretation out. And after reading thru 17 pages of them, this is without a doubt the best! Well done. :)
Good good, but read between the lines. each of tools songs is meant for the listener to internalize into the mind. aim this goodby at the self you know yourself to be in this moment and transform into a person you thought you could never be. that is EGO DEATH
Good good, but read between the lines. each of tools songs is meant for the listener to internalize into the mind. aim this goodby at the self you know yourself to be in this moment and transform into a person you thought you could never be. that is EGO DEATH
This song isn't about religion. It uses religion as a metaphor to get the information across. This song refers to someone who thinks they are better than everyone else. It emphasizes the trust that people take in others or the lack of it. Tool is not a religous band. By this I mean they don't promote their beliefs to try and persuade others to think the same. They want everyone to be their own person and not conform to the "usual" because that's the way it was done in the past.
I have a question for you. I like the response about what everyone has said about tool, and this song. my question is if he isn't ant religious about Christ and GOD. why did he come out with a band called crucifer? I love tool I love a lot of his songs even the one from a perfect circle Judith. I don't mean to bask anyone on what they say about the song I just have that one question is all.
I have a question for you. I like the response about what everyone has said about tool, and this song. my question is if he isn't ant religious about Christ and GOD. why did he come out with a band called crucifer? I love tool I love a lot of his songs even the one from a perfect circle Judith. I don't mean to bask anyone on what they say about the song I just have that one question is all.
You make a valid point. I feel a bit shallow for getting it wrong all this time. I always felt like something wasn't fitting right but I guess it was me growing to understand the "message". CstrifeH to help you with why Maynard named his other band Crucify I will need to quot him. "So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical..." by M. Keenan. I read an interview with him about his different bands and if I can recall it correctly he said something in the line of...
You make a valid point. I feel a bit shallow for getting it wrong all this time. I always felt like something wasn't fitting right but I guess it was me growing to understand the "message". CstrifeH to help you with why Maynard named his other band Crucify I will need to quot him. "So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical..." by M. Keenan. I read an interview with him about his different bands and if I can recall it correctly he said something in the line of the different bands being his ego and soul(his true being) meeting, or just one or the other.
CstrifeH the band's name is Puscifer...
CstrifeH the band's name is Puscifer...
Danny from the band eluded to the fact that Maynard wrote this as an attack upon L. Ron Rubbard. Although there are paralels to Jesus in this song and we know that Jesus isn't Maynard's hero, (Opiate), this song can very simply be anyone we want it to be... "think for yourself, question authority, strive to be different, strive to be unique, Never repeat things other people say"-Maynard's Non-Conformist's Pledge
@DatheR I agree. I think Opiate is more about televangelists than Christ himself though. I think in both he's juxtaposing Christ with wannabe martyrs that fall short of His glory.
@DatheR I agree. I think Opiate is more about televangelists than Christ himself though. I think in both he's juxtaposing Christ with wannabe martyrs that fall short of His glory.
I love how people try to over think and over analyze Tool songs. This song is about L. Ron. Hubbard. Check out the interviews with Danny Carey. They are available all over the web.
If you actually read the lyrics and think about them it's obviously NOT about Jesus, that's obviously a metaphor. If it's literally about Jesus it makes no sense. It's about people who "proclaim themselves as the 'next messiah'".
I believe it is about an Ego Death. The entire album Aenima seems to encorporate alot of Jungian Psychology. The term Aenima is a combination of the words 'Anima' an aspect of the unconscious in Jungian Psychology, and 'Enema' a medical procedure where fluid is administered into the rectum. It supposedly means 'a cleansing of the soul'. 46 & 2 is about mergind with the shadow, Third Eye is obviously about the goal of this whole process, being whole, discovering one's 'self', opening one's third eye. I feel as though most of the other songs are about realizations about one's self or the world around them, helping them move onward on their psychological journey. The ego is the outer layer, consisting of all of our life experiences. It tells us how to act and react, what is right and wrong (the ego is always right in its own mind), it basically controls us. To move forward and further discover one's true 'self' an Ego Death is a manditory first step.
Well said.
Well said.
Not a single one of you out there has a "third eye". Neither does Maynard. Tool are schizophrenics.
Not a single one of you out there has a "third eye". Neither does Maynard. Tool are schizophrenics.
I'm not sure that this song is about what you're talking about, although is a nice way to see it.
I'm not sure that this song is about what you're talking about, although is a nice way to see it.
I stay better with the idea of a martyrdom critic. It may sound like Jesus in a superficial way to see it but after listening and reading about Tool for a while, their message would never dare to say something like that. Maybe is related to the martyrdom in which we can fall or some other pseudo-leaders.
I stay better with the idea of a martyrdom critic. It may sound like Jesus in a superficial way to see it but after listening and reading about Tool for a while, their message would never dare to say something like that. Maybe is related to the martyrdom in which we can fall or some other pseudo-leaders.
BTW Terrible thing to say, OCDemon.
BTW Terrible thing to say, OCDemon.
L. Ron Hubbard and his followers
This song, if you examine the lyrics on the surface, is about evangelistic preachers. He is complaining about the way the want all your money yet are not willing to suffer for you or commiserate. Maynard is basically saying if you're not willing to die for me get the fuck out of in front of the microphone.
Pretty sure it's more about politicians than it is about preachers.
Pretty sure it's more about politicians than it is about preachers.
It's not about Jesus, Bill Hicks, Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, or anyone in particular. It's about the people who walk around acting like they are Jesus come again, always ranting about what they consider right and wrong to any idiot who will listen and bludgeoning you with self-righteousness.