I feel that this song actually describes what it is that I love about R.E.M. I'm always captivated by the conviction in their songs - a sense that they're singing about vital stuff - exultant! And yet, I usually can't tell specifically what it is that they're singing about!
Where he ought to be, he sees what you
Can't see, can't you see that
There's something that the subject of the song (Reverend Howard Finster, the visionary minister/artist that others have mentioned?) sees, something that we don't see, and
Maybe he's caught in the legend
Maybe he's caught in the mood
Maybe these maps and legends
Have been misunderstood
Maybe he understands in a way that conventional understanding is unable to do - by disregarding convention, by following his own muse:
Called the fool, and the company
On his own, where he'd rather be
Where he ought to be, he sees what you
Can't see, can't you see that
... he's found, transcendence? Grace? At the least, conviction.
I believe that this is the secret of R.E.M.'s compelling beauty. The ability to recognize and cultivate their own sense of conviction, in their songs.
With so many other artists, we can identify the subject of their exultation, and believe that we understand what moves them, is moving us. But I think that understanding is an illusion. Love songs, rebellion, the blues, I suspect the overt sentiments are just vehicles for a sense of vitality, of being compelled, that the artists recognize and convey in their works.
I don't know exactly what R.E.M. does to arrive so reliably at that sense of conviction, without the overt sentiments - I think it's a deeply poetic skill, shared by some other New Wave favorites like The Talking Heads, XTC - but in any case, they do it so well, and I love it. (At least, to my ears, until Document - they lost me after that.)
@myriadicity Nice response in general. Good points about Finster and others like him who 'see' what so many others cannot. I personally love Document. Not sure how a real fan of the earlier albums could not like it, especially the second side, which is so similar to earlier works. They didn't 'lose' me till much later, around '98 with Up.
@myriadicity Nice response in general. Good points about Finster and others like him who 'see' what so many others cannot. I personally love Document. Not sure how a real fan of the earlier albums could not like it, especially the second side, which is so similar to earlier works. They didn't 'lose' me till much later, around '98 with Up.
Yeah, I only don't care too much for Up and Around the Sun myself. But I like everything up to Automatic for the People the most. I mean I am a fan of all their stuff mostly but their biggest hit is my second favorite song Losing My Religion. Fall On Me is my favroite. And XTC is in my top 3-4 fav bands as well and "No Language in Our Lungs" is in my top 5 fav songs which has a very similar subject to Losing My Religion. For XTC I like most their stuff as well,...
Yeah, I only don't care too much for Up and Around the Sun myself. But I like everything up to Automatic for the People the most. I mean I am a fan of all their stuff mostly but their biggest hit is my second favorite song Losing My Religion. Fall On Me is my favroite. And XTC is in my top 3-4 fav bands as well and "No Language in Our Lungs" is in my top 5 fav songs which has a very similar subject to Losing My Religion. For XTC I like most their stuff as well, I am not extremely into Nonsuch or the side project Dukes of Stratosphere but I even like White Music and Go2. And much like REM they explore more than one genre. From the more 70s pop rock/alternative sound of Drums and Wires to the more Beatle-ish Mummer I like it all much like I like Don't Go Back to Rockville and Whats the Frequency Kenneth? which are nothing a like in sound pretty much.
@myriadicity You have likely touched on a lot of what I love about REM. And I'm amused by the comments below! I adore Up, exactly for the reason that Michael Stipe lets us in a little more clearly into that poetic mind. I wasn't the poetry that diminished in the post-Berry years.
@myriadicity You have likely touched on a lot of what I love about REM. And I'm amused by the comments below! I adore Up, exactly for the reason that Michael Stipe lets us in a little more clearly into that poetic mind. I wasn't the poetry that diminished in the post-Berry years.
I feel that this song actually describes what it is that I love about R.E.M. I'm always captivated by the conviction in their songs - a sense that they're singing about vital stuff - exultant! And yet, I usually can't tell specifically what it is that they're singing about!
There's something that the subject of the song (Reverend Howard Finster, the visionary minister/artist that others have mentioned?) sees, something that we don't see, and
Maybe he understands in a way that conventional understanding is unable to do - by disregarding convention, by following his own muse:
... he's found, transcendence? Grace? At the least, conviction.
I believe that this is the secret of R.E.M.'s compelling beauty. The ability to recognize and cultivate their own sense of conviction, in their songs.
With so many other artists, we can identify the subject of their exultation, and believe that we understand what moves them, is moving us. But I think that understanding is an illusion. Love songs, rebellion, the blues, I suspect the overt sentiments are just vehicles for a sense of vitality, of being compelled, that the artists recognize and convey in their works.
I don't know exactly what R.E.M. does to arrive so reliably at that sense of conviction, without the overt sentiments - I think it's a deeply poetic skill, shared by some other New Wave favorites like The Talking Heads, XTC - but in any case, they do it so well, and I love it. (At least, to my ears, until Document - they lost me after that.)
@myriadicity Nice response in general. Good points about Finster and others like him who 'see' what so many others cannot. I personally love Document. Not sure how a real fan of the earlier albums could not like it, especially the second side, which is so similar to earlier works. They didn't 'lose' me till much later, around '98 with Up.
@myriadicity Nice response in general. Good points about Finster and others like him who 'see' what so many others cannot. I personally love Document. Not sure how a real fan of the earlier albums could not like it, especially the second side, which is so similar to earlier works. They didn't 'lose' me till much later, around '98 with Up.
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Yeah, I only don't care too much for Up and Around the Sun myself. But I like everything up to Automatic for the People the most. I mean I am a fan of all their stuff mostly but their biggest hit is my second favorite song Losing My Religion. Fall On Me is my favroite. And XTC is in my top 3-4 fav bands as well and "No Language in Our Lungs" is in my top 5 fav songs which has a very similar subject to Losing My Religion. For XTC I like most their stuff as well,...
Yeah, I only don't care too much for Up and Around the Sun myself. But I like everything up to Automatic for the People the most. I mean I am a fan of all their stuff mostly but their biggest hit is my second favorite song Losing My Religion. Fall On Me is my favroite. And XTC is in my top 3-4 fav bands as well and "No Language in Our Lungs" is in my top 5 fav songs which has a very similar subject to Losing My Religion. For XTC I like most their stuff as well, I am not extremely into Nonsuch or the side project Dukes of Stratosphere but I even like White Music and Go2. And much like REM they explore more than one genre. From the more 70s pop rock/alternative sound of Drums and Wires to the more Beatle-ish Mummer I like it all much like I like Don't Go Back to Rockville and Whats the Frequency Kenneth? which are nothing a like in sound pretty much.
@myriadicity You have likely touched on a lot of what I love about REM. And I'm amused by the comments below! I adore Up, exactly for the reason that Michael Stipe lets us in a little more clearly into that poetic mind. I wasn't the poetry that diminished in the post-Berry years.
@myriadicity You have likely touched on a lot of what I love about REM. And I'm amused by the comments below! I adore Up, exactly for the reason that Michael Stipe lets us in a little more clearly into that poetic mind. I wasn't the poetry that diminished in the post-Berry years.