the biblical references are obvious
the sense of a coming apolocalypse
which in the hands of the christian right might make itself manifest as self-fufilling prophecy
i'm not sure if it is the author's original intent but i am an inverse deconstructualist so for me it doesn't really matter
[nothing exists outside of the context]
the crosses and nazi halos conjours reminds me of the idea of the crucified skinhead
its a martyring propaganda tactic taken up by whitepower enthusiasts
in its own right it too becomes a self-fufilling prophecy
they are (technically) persecuted for their beliefes
this persecution fails maryrdom however in that those very beliefs are based opon persecuting others
the next lines continue the theme
-and the comment above mine is probably correct about the reference to Auschwitz
but here i think the image becomes reified
and turns into a simple social critique
and in some ways a lament
that all of our attempts to slavage our friendships
to keep everyone together
have merely turned us all to Ash
the comparison of burned bridges to the holocaust is an obvious hyperbole
and its usage is somewhat questionable
considering the sensitivity of the subject
but The Thermals are really just the hipsters NOFX
so its an art form based upon hyperbole and extremes
personally i think its a kind of dilliberate absurdity
anyone who has every been in a marginally sucessful band knows the feeling of isolation that comes with success
all of a sudden you become a part of the very establishment you orininally set out to rebel against
and your friends start to do stupid shit like draw swastikas all over your high school yearbook
its that positively 4th street sort of feel.
the next verse further inverts the imagery
orininally Christianity is viewed within the context of right-wing evangelicals
bible beaters/westboro/ men with crosses screaming at innocent pedestrians
now they, the band becomes the Christians
with their own zealotry in riot against this
again the lyrics present themselves in an absurdist hyperbole
"i might need you to kill
every room and every human at will"
and therefore deconstructs the very idea which it presents as a course of action
(it seems highly doubtful that the Thermals would actually want their fans to go with them on a killing spree)
the chorus returns itself to the orignal critique
by taking what is considered to be the positive aspect of the spread of Christianity
and inverting it
"they'll drown your disease, they'll pound you with the light of Jesus"
it shows the violence involved with evangelicism
the next verse goes back to voice of the band
who choses flight instead of fight
still caught within a double bind
the last verse and chorus are just there to finish song
overall i think it is in some ways a critique of the crusader mindset
albiet still finding its own pleasure withing that very concept
it reveals a number of contradictions within our own society
and seeks to turn blood into fire
and piss into wine
i dont think they are outrightly anti-Christian
or merely doing things for the sake of blasphemy
but rather seek to reveal the infinite number of contradictions involved with Christianity
-with my right hand crossed over my heart
and my left fist raised high-
@aliasauton --- "i dont think they are outrightly anti-Christian
or merely doing things for the sake of blasphemy
but rather seek to reveal the infinite number of contradictions involved with Christianity"
@aliasauton --- "i dont think they are outrightly anti-Christian
or merely doing things for the sake of blasphemy
but rather seek to reveal the infinite number of contradictions involved with Christianity"
... and inaccurate in their assumptions... if they don't want to be Christian, they are free to turn down Jesus' offer.... why do they have to mock people who believe things these writers do not understand. -- really. if one is going to write an entire album venting about how angry they are with a God they have never taken the time to know... that is...
... and inaccurate in their assumptions... if they don't want to be Christian, they are free to turn down Jesus' offer.... why do they have to mock people who believe things these writers do not understand. -- really. if one is going to write an entire album venting about how angry they are with a God they have never taken the time to know... that is not cool!!! -- if you feel the need to show so much disrespect to someone who took beating and died to give you life... AT LEAST talk to people who love Him, ask questions... READ HIS BOOKS ....
Westboro Baptist is NOT a Christian Group... Christian groups renounce them... Christians LOVE... that's it. ---- people who hate, may call themselves Christian, they may even think they are Christian... but they are not.
I hope the Holy Spirit has you (these writers) encounter, everywhere they go, people they are drawn to in a positive way, people that know how to pour selfless love out on everyone they share space with...
If we substituted any other name, in place of Christian, in these lyrics,... Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Gays, Women... Europeans, Australians... this would be considered a hate song... But because it's Christians... it is embraced.
the biblical references are obvious the sense of a coming apolocalypse which in the hands of the christian right might make itself manifest as self-fufilling prophecy i'm not sure if it is the author's original intent but i am an inverse deconstructualist so for me it doesn't really matter [nothing exists outside of the context] the crosses and nazi halos conjours reminds me of the idea of the crucified skinhead its a martyring propaganda tactic taken up by whitepower enthusiasts in its own right it too becomes a self-fufilling prophecy they are (technically) persecuted for their beliefes this persecution fails maryrdom however in that those very beliefs are based opon persecuting others the next lines continue the theme -and the comment above mine is probably correct about the reference to Auschwitz but here i think the image becomes reified and turns into a simple social critique and in some ways a lament that all of our attempts to slavage our friendships to keep everyone together have merely turned us all to Ash the comparison of burned bridges to the holocaust is an obvious hyperbole and its usage is somewhat questionable considering the sensitivity of the subject but The Thermals are really just the hipsters NOFX so its an art form based upon hyperbole and extremes personally i think its a kind of dilliberate absurdity anyone who has every been in a marginally sucessful band knows the feeling of isolation that comes with success all of a sudden you become a part of the very establishment you orininally set out to rebel against and your friends start to do stupid shit like draw swastikas all over your high school yearbook its that positively 4th street sort of feel. the next verse further inverts the imagery orininally Christianity is viewed within the context of right-wing evangelicals bible beaters/westboro/ men with crosses screaming at innocent pedestrians now they, the band becomes the Christians with their own zealotry in riot against this again the lyrics present themselves in an absurdist hyperbole "i might need you to kill every room and every human at will" and therefore deconstructs the very idea which it presents as a course of action (it seems highly doubtful that the Thermals would actually want their fans to go with them on a killing spree) the chorus returns itself to the orignal critique by taking what is considered to be the positive aspect of the spread of Christianity and inverting it "they'll drown your disease, they'll pound you with the light of Jesus" it shows the violence involved with evangelicism the next verse goes back to voice of the band who choses flight instead of fight still caught within a double bind the last verse and chorus are just there to finish song
overall i think it is in some ways a critique of the crusader mindset albiet still finding its own pleasure withing that very concept it reveals a number of contradictions within our own society and seeks to turn blood into fire and piss into wine
i dont think they are outrightly anti-Christian or merely doing things for the sake of blasphemy but rather seek to reveal the infinite number of contradictions involved with Christianity
-with my right hand crossed over my heart and my left fist raised high-
/the comment at the bottom of the page (i mean,.)
/the comment at the bottom of the page (i mean,.)
@aliasauton --- "i dont think they are outrightly anti-Christian or merely doing things for the sake of blasphemy but rather seek to reveal the infinite number of contradictions involved with Christianity"
@aliasauton --- "i dont think they are outrightly anti-Christian or merely doing things for the sake of blasphemy but rather seek to reveal the infinite number of contradictions involved with Christianity"
... and inaccurate in their assumptions... if they don't want to be Christian, they are free to turn down Jesus' offer.... why do they have to mock people who believe things these writers do not understand. -- really. if one is going to write an entire album venting about how angry they are with a God they have never taken the time to know... that is...
... and inaccurate in their assumptions... if they don't want to be Christian, they are free to turn down Jesus' offer.... why do they have to mock people who believe things these writers do not understand. -- really. if one is going to write an entire album venting about how angry they are with a God they have never taken the time to know... that is not cool!!! -- if you feel the need to show so much disrespect to someone who took beating and died to give you life... AT LEAST talk to people who love Him, ask questions... READ HIS BOOKS ....
Westboro Baptist is NOT a Christian Group... Christian groups renounce them... Christians LOVE... that's it. ---- people who hate, may call themselves Christian, they may even think they are Christian... but they are not.
I hope the Holy Spirit has you (these writers) encounter, everywhere they go, people they are drawn to in a positive way, people that know how to pour selfless love out on everyone they share space with...
If we substituted any other name, in place of Christian, in these lyrics,... Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Gays, Women... Europeans, Australians... this would be considered a hate song... But because it's Christians... it is embraced.
As a Christian, ... I'm trying to understand .