Such a well written song, conjuring such wonderful imagery with a minimum of lyrics.Its quite simply "charming" is what it is!
I interpret the song literally.
The protagonist has a punctured tyre on a deserted hillside and contemplates whether adversity will force him to grow up and mature into a man.
Then a charming man in his nice car offers him a ride. He then decides to stop thinking so deeply and enjoy the free ride in this mans luxury car.
The charming man then asks the protagonist out that night. He replies that he cant because he hasnt got appropriate clothing.Denoting the charming man is of a higher class than the protagonist and that the occassion might be a bit fancy.
The charming man then complements the protagonist exclaiming that he neednt worry as he is so handsome that he could get away with wearing anything.
Now this is where the song gets a little obscure.
The line "a jumped up pantry boy, who never knew his place" comes from the movie Slueth(its on youtube). Where Michael Caines character is being confronted for having an affair with Laurence Oliviers characters wife. Oliviers character says to Caine "Youre nothing but a jumped up pantry boy , who never knew his place!" He is making a stab at Caines character for being working class - a pantry boy being a servant working in the kitchen of an English manor house.
So for me this could be interpreted as - the protagonist has met someone above his class through his associations with the charming man and intends to propose.The charming man frightens the protagonist "AH!" when he confronts him telling him to get back in his place and not to marry someone above his class.He should return the ring as he wont be able to support her affluent lifestyle. The charming man knows about these things as he has seen it before or is speaking from experience.
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Just because he calls a man charming doesn't mean its about homosexuality.
I wish some people would stop trying to make everything about homosexuality.
Just because he calls a man charming doesn't mean its about homosexuality.
I wish some people would stop trying to make everything about homosexuality.
It could still be that the charming man is a homosexual. I think that's what makes this song so fantastic. It's a story with an open end. Is the charming man telling him to return the ring because he is jealous that the boy has fallen in love with a girl? Totally agree that waxinglyrical's comment is the best on this page though.
It could still be that the charming man is a homosexual. I think that's what makes this song so fantastic. It's a story with an open end. Is the charming man telling him to return the ring because he is jealous that the boy has fallen in love with a girl? Totally agree that waxinglyrical's comment is the best on this page though.
I agree that there's nothing explicitly homosexual but anyone that's 'been there' will read between the lines. It does describe a pretty typical sugar daddy interaction.
I agree that there's nothing explicitly homosexual but anyone that's 'been there' will read between the lines. It does describe a pretty typical sugar daddy interaction.
I don't think at any point the charming man confronts the protagonist. When he describes himself as a 'jumped up pantry boy' I think it expresses his own self doubt and insecurity.
I don't think at any point the charming man confronts the protagonist. When he describes himself as a 'jumped up pantry boy' I think it expresses his own self doubt and insecurity.
As for "return the ring" well... I don't think it means 'give the ring I gave you back'.... might be referring to a different sort of ring there.
As for "return the ring" well... I don't think it means 'give the ring I gave you back'.... might be referring to a different sort of ring there.
I think the ring here is a phone call (people from the UK would spot this easier than Americans).
"return the ring" could mean phone him back, implying that the charming man has left a message for the protagonist after their car ride, probably to ask him out! (this also possibly implies that our 'poor' protagonist is living in a group house or boarding house with a shared phone).
I think the ring here is a phone call (people from the UK would spot this easier than Americans).
"return the ring" could mean phone him back, implying that the charming man has left a message for the protagonist after their car ride, probably to ask him out! (this also possibly implies that our 'poor' protagonist is living in a group house or boarding house with a shared phone).
so who advises him to "return the ring"?
"a jumped up pantry boy…" (etc)
what does this refer to in Sleuth? Michael Caine, who plays a hairdresser.
ok either totally wrong...
so who advises him to "return the ring"?
"a jumped up pantry boy…" (etc)
what does this refer to in Sleuth? Michael Caine, who plays a hairdresser.
ok either totally wrong or about to blow minds here!
my hairdresser friend says phone him back
he knows so much about these things
(the hairdresser friend has experience with sugar daddies and says don't pass up a good thing - especially considering how the charming man made our protagonist feel with his compliments about his handsomeness)
I say this with no judgement at all, emotions are universal regardless of whom you are attracted to, but I do think it is a man+man relationship of some sort or another, and I would say it does matter to the overall theme. The line that makes me wonder the most is "I haven't a stitch to wear". Sure, stitch means clothing but it also is what you close wounds with. So this makes me think of a few possibilities - either he can't go out and can't engage with this person at all because he...
I say this with no judgement at all, emotions are universal regardless of whom you are attracted to, but I do think it is a man+man relationship of some sort or another, and I would say it does matter to the overall theme. The line that makes me wonder the most is "I haven't a stitch to wear". Sure, stitch means clothing but it also is what you close wounds with. So this makes me think of a few possibilities - either he can't go out and can't engage with this person at all because he is still wounded from a past trauma, or that this man or someone else in his life is physically abusive and he can't go out because he is embarassed by the bruise. Obviously the emotional wound is more generally human and it is the one I believe is alluded to here. But there is that line referencing his physical beauty and "why should someone so handsome care?". So this alludes to a literal scar of some kind as well. Doesn't make it so, but its there to be interpreted.
FWIW I believe that even though songwriters, poets and authors have an overt reason for their words, they also have some meanings hidden or intended to have a double meaning, and sometimes even the author isn't aware of every meaning possible but is releasing it from his mind without even knowing - at least at first.. Of course, once it is out there its up to the reader who has his/her own filter through which it is interpreted. As we see in these comments, some people didn't understand "return the ring" to mean "call me back", its a turn of a phrase. Which brings me to my final point and how you can see greatness at work. The writer has to fit this into a song. Its not free prose or poetry, it generally has to have a symmetry to the music accomopanying it. So some phrases get truncated, or idioms are employed that are regional and not universal ('return the ring' or 'give me a ring' is uniquely British, Americans generally use the word "call" not "ring" but that's also what makes these interpretations so fun. It conjures up meaning to some audiences more than others. Return the ring also, to me anyway, has an almost Tolkien feel to it. Was that intended? Maybe, maybe not. But even it it wasn't intended doesn't mean that it isn't there to be read into).
@waxinglyrical I find myself coming back to read your analysis from time to time. I can't say I fully agree with it, but I appreciate the reasoning behind it and it was illuminating to find out about the source of the "jumped-up pantry boy" line, because that always threw me off. You sort of lose me with the last paragraph though, but I do think you're onto something with the class commentary.
@waxinglyrical I find myself coming back to read your analysis from time to time. I can't say I fully agree with it, but I appreciate the reasoning behind it and it was illuminating to find out about the source of the "jumped-up pantry boy" line, because that always threw me off. You sort of lose me with the last paragraph though, but I do think you're onto something with the class commentary.
@jgb0893 I have to agree that as someone who has also "been there", to me this song is unambiguously about a homosexual encounter of some form...
@jgb0893 I have to agree that as someone who has also "been there", to me this song is unambiguously about a homosexual encounter of some form or another, although I think it's mixed in with class commentary. You cracked me up with the, "might be referring to a different sort of ring there" bit though! I personally don't think it's referring to anything that perverse, but then again this appears on the same album as "Reel Around The Fountain" so anything is possible I suppose.
Such a well written song, conjuring such wonderful imagery with a minimum of lyrics.Its quite simply "charming" is what it is!
I interpret the song literally. The protagonist has a punctured tyre on a deserted hillside and contemplates whether adversity will force him to grow up and mature into a man. Then a charming man in his nice car offers him a ride. He then decides to stop thinking so deeply and enjoy the free ride in this mans luxury car. The charming man then asks the protagonist out that night. He replies that he cant because he hasnt got appropriate clothing.Denoting the charming man is of a higher class than the protagonist and that the occassion might be a bit fancy. The charming man then complements the protagonist exclaiming that he neednt worry as he is so handsome that he could get away with wearing anything.
Now this is where the song gets a little obscure.
The line "a jumped up pantry boy, who never knew his place" comes from the movie Slueth(its on youtube). Where Michael Caines character is being confronted for having an affair with Laurence Oliviers characters wife. Oliviers character says to Caine "Youre nothing but a jumped up pantry boy , who never knew his place!" He is making a stab at Caines character for being working class - a pantry boy being a servant working in the kitchen of an English manor house.
So for me this could be interpreted as - the protagonist has met someone above his class through his associations with the charming man and intends to propose.The charming man frightens the protagonist "AH!" when he confronts him telling him to get back in his place and not to marry someone above his class.He should return the ring as he wont be able to support her affluent lifestyle. The charming man knows about these things as he has seen it before or is speaking from experience.
-Thats my take
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Just because he calls a man charming doesn't mean its about homosexuality. I wish some people would stop trying to make everything about homosexuality.
Just because he calls a man charming doesn't mean its about homosexuality. I wish some people would stop trying to make everything about homosexuality.
It could still be that the charming man is a homosexual. I think that's what makes this song so fantastic. It's a story with an open end. Is the charming man telling him to return the ring because he is jealous that the boy has fallen in love with a girl? Totally agree that waxinglyrical's comment is the best on this page though.
It could still be that the charming man is a homosexual. I think that's what makes this song so fantastic. It's a story with an open end. Is the charming man telling him to return the ring because he is jealous that the boy has fallen in love with a girl? Totally agree that waxinglyrical's comment is the best on this page though.
I agree that there's nothing explicitly homosexual but anyone that's 'been there' will read between the lines. It does describe a pretty typical sugar daddy interaction.
I agree that there's nothing explicitly homosexual but anyone that's 'been there' will read between the lines. It does describe a pretty typical sugar daddy interaction.
I don't think at any point the charming man confronts the protagonist. When he describes himself as a 'jumped up pantry boy' I think it expresses his own self doubt and insecurity.
I don't think at any point the charming man confronts the protagonist. When he describes himself as a 'jumped up pantry boy' I think it expresses his own self doubt and insecurity.
As for "return the ring" well... I don't think it means 'give the ring I gave you back'.... might be referring to a different sort of ring there.
As for "return the ring" well... I don't think it means 'give the ring I gave you back'.... might be referring to a different sort of ring there.
I think the ring here is a phone call (people from the UK would spot this easier than Americans). "return the ring" could mean phone him back, implying that the charming man has left a message for the protagonist after their car ride, probably to ask him out! (this also possibly implies that our 'poor' protagonist is living in a group house or boarding house with a shared phone).
I think the ring here is a phone call (people from the UK would spot this easier than Americans). "return the ring" could mean phone him back, implying that the charming man has left a message for the protagonist after their car ride, probably to ask him out! (this also possibly implies that our 'poor' protagonist is living in a group house or boarding house with a shared phone).
so who advises him to "return the ring"? "a jumped up pantry boy…" (etc) what does this refer to in Sleuth? Michael Caine, who plays a hairdresser. ok either totally wrong...
so who advises him to "return the ring"? "a jumped up pantry boy…" (etc) what does this refer to in Sleuth? Michael Caine, who plays a hairdresser. ok either totally wrong or about to blow minds here!
my hairdresser friend says phone him back he knows so much about these things
(the hairdresser friend has experience with sugar daddies and says don't pass up a good thing - especially considering how the charming man made our protagonist feel with his compliments about his handsomeness)
@waxinglyrical and others
@waxinglyrical and others
I say this with no judgement at all, emotions are universal regardless of whom you are attracted to, but I do think it is a man+man relationship of some sort or another, and I would say it does matter to the overall theme. The line that makes me wonder the most is "I haven't a stitch to wear". Sure, stitch means clothing but it also is what you close wounds with. So this makes me think of a few possibilities - either he can't go out and can't engage with this person at all because he...
I say this with no judgement at all, emotions are universal regardless of whom you are attracted to, but I do think it is a man+man relationship of some sort or another, and I would say it does matter to the overall theme. The line that makes me wonder the most is "I haven't a stitch to wear". Sure, stitch means clothing but it also is what you close wounds with. So this makes me think of a few possibilities - either he can't go out and can't engage with this person at all because he is still wounded from a past trauma, or that this man or someone else in his life is physically abusive and he can't go out because he is embarassed by the bruise. Obviously the emotional wound is more generally human and it is the one I believe is alluded to here. But there is that line referencing his physical beauty and "why should someone so handsome care?". So this alludes to a literal scar of some kind as well. Doesn't make it so, but its there to be interpreted.
FWIW I believe that even though songwriters, poets and authors have an overt reason for their words, they also have some meanings hidden or intended to have a double meaning, and sometimes even the author isn't aware of every meaning possible but is releasing it from his mind without even knowing - at least at first.. Of course, once it is out there its up to the reader who has his/her own filter through which it is interpreted. As we see in these comments, some people didn't understand "return the ring" to mean "call me back", its a turn of a phrase. Which brings me to my final point and how you can see greatness at work. The writer has to fit this into a song. Its not free prose or poetry, it generally has to have a symmetry to the music accomopanying it. So some phrases get truncated, or idioms are employed that are regional and not universal ('return the ring' or 'give me a ring' is uniquely British, Americans generally use the word "call" not "ring" but that's also what makes these interpretations so fun. It conjures up meaning to some audiences more than others. Return the ring also, to me anyway, has an almost Tolkien feel to it. Was that intended? Maybe, maybe not. But even it it wasn't intended doesn't mean that it isn't there to be read into).
@waxinglyrical you make a lot of sense ,
@waxinglyrical you make a lot of sense ,
@waxinglyrical so true bae i wrote the song
@waxinglyrical so true bae i wrote the song
@waxinglyrical I find myself coming back to read your analysis from time to time. I can't say I fully agree with it, but I appreciate the reasoning behind it and it was illuminating to find out about the source of the "jumped-up pantry boy" line, because that always threw me off. You sort of lose me with the last paragraph though, but I do think you're onto something with the class commentary.
@waxinglyrical I find myself coming back to read your analysis from time to time. I can't say I fully agree with it, but I appreciate the reasoning behind it and it was illuminating to find out about the source of the "jumped-up pantry boy" line, because that always threw me off. You sort of lose me with the last paragraph though, but I do think you're onto something with the class commentary.
@jgb0893 I have to agree that as someone who has also "been there", to me this song is unambiguously about a homosexual encounter of some form...
@jgb0893 I have to agree that as someone who has also "been there", to me this song is unambiguously about a homosexual encounter of some form or another, although I think it's mixed in with class commentary. You cracked me up with the, "might be referring to a different sort of ring there" bit though! I personally don't think it's referring to anything that perverse, but then again this appears on the same album as "Reel Around The Fountain" so anything is possible I suppose.