claiming to be a "rationalist", and looking down on the silly mortals for "believing in fairy tales" is hypocrisy when all you have is a different belief. christianity cannot be absolutely proven, but it cannot be idisproven. so ya to demonize a group of people for not meeting a ridiculous standard you yourself cannot meet would indeed make you a hypocrite.
ahh, but the burden of proof isn't just on the christians, but also to the rationalists. rationalism is not rooted in an absence of belief of god, but rather a belief in an absence of god. those are much, much different.
ahh, but the burden of proof isn't just on the christians, but also to the rationalists. rationalism is not rooted in an absence of belief of god, but rather a belief in an absence of god. those are much, much different.
so you'd have to prove (rationally and analytically) that there is an absence of the judeo-christian (and every other) God for rationalism to actually be rational.
so you'd have to prove (rationally and analytically) that there is an absence of the judeo-christian (and every other) God for rationalism to actually be rational.
as far as the second part of the post, i do quite agree with you. there's gotta be some standard to consider something trustworthy. as do the christians who have done...
as far as the second part of the post, i do quite agree with you. there's gotta be some standard to consider something trustworthy. as do the christians who have done their homework. there are tons of books out in the world on evidences of christian beliefs. josh mcdowell has written books after him and a team spending thousands of hours collecting firsthand information on the validity of the christian bible. it's astounding. also if you have netflix and an an hr to kill, a lot of the same information is on "the case for christ". really cheesy documentary, but the info is good.
There is so much 'evidence" if only people would open their eyes. Look at all the sins God talks about and look at the consequences on individuals; groups; and society as a whole. He talks about greed; war; love/hate; divorce; adultry; dependence; homosexuality; etc. And look at what we have when we see...how many hurt due to us going against the teachings. You cannot disprove faith and those with faith are under no obligation to prove it. You cannot prove how you got here; why you're here; and where'd you're going, so does that mean you do not exist???...
There is so much 'evidence" if only people would open their eyes. Look at all the sins God talks about and look at the consequences on individuals; groups; and society as a whole. He talks about greed; war; love/hate; divorce; adultry; dependence; homosexuality; etc. And look at what we have when we see...how many hurt due to us going against the teachings. You cannot disprove faith and those with faith are under no obligation to prove it. You cannot prove how you got here; why you're here; and where'd you're going, so does that mean you do not exist???
claiming to be a "rationalist", and looking down on the silly mortals for "believing in fairy tales" is hypocrisy when all you have is a different belief. christianity cannot be absolutely proven, but it cannot be idisproven. so ya to demonize a group of people for not meeting a ridiculous standard you yourself cannot meet would indeed make you a hypocrite.
The burden of proof lies with the believers.
The burden of proof lies with the believers.
You believe in God? Show me the evidence, I'd be happy to accept God as fact in that case.
You believe in God? Show me the evidence, I'd be happy to accept God as fact in that case.
What would you say to a Scientologist that tried to get you join? Or a Jedi? You'd ask for evidence.
What would you say to a Scientologist that tried to get you join? Or a Jedi? You'd ask for evidence.
The absence of belief is not belief in something else.
The absence of belief is not belief in something else.
The burden of proof lies with the believers.
The burden of proof lies with the believers.
You believe in God? Show me the evidence, I'd be happy to accept God as fact in that case.
You believe in God? Show me the evidence, I'd be happy to accept God as fact in that case.
What would you say to a Scientologist that tried to get you join? Or a Jedi? You'd ask for evidence.
What would you say to a Scientologist that tried to get you join? Or a Jedi? You'd ask for evidence.
The absence of belief is not belief in something else.
The absence of belief is not belief in something else.
ahh, but the burden of proof isn't just on the christians, but also to the rationalists. rationalism is not rooted in an absence of belief of god, but rather a belief in an absence of god. those are much, much different.
ahh, but the burden of proof isn't just on the christians, but also to the rationalists. rationalism is not rooted in an absence of belief of god, but rather a belief in an absence of god. those are much, much different.
so you'd have to prove (rationally and analytically) that there is an absence of the judeo-christian (and every other) God for rationalism to actually be rational.
so you'd have to prove (rationally and analytically) that there is an absence of the judeo-christian (and every other) God for rationalism to actually be rational.
as far as the second part of the post, i do quite agree with you. there's gotta be some standard to consider something trustworthy. as do the christians who have done...
as far as the second part of the post, i do quite agree with you. there's gotta be some standard to consider something trustworthy. as do the christians who have done their homework. there are tons of books out in the world on evidences of christian beliefs. josh mcdowell has written books after him and a team spending thousands of hours collecting firsthand information on the validity of the christian bible. it's astounding. also if you have netflix and an an hr to kill, a lot of the same information is on "the case for christ". really cheesy documentary, but the info is good.
There is so much 'evidence" if only people would open their eyes. Look at all the sins God talks about and look at the consequences on individuals; groups; and society as a whole. He talks about greed; war; love/hate; divorce; adultry; dependence; homosexuality; etc. And look at what we have when we see...how many hurt due to us going against the teachings. You cannot disprove faith and those with faith are under no obligation to prove it. You cannot prove how you got here; why you're here; and where'd you're going, so does that mean you do not exist???...
There is so much 'evidence" if only people would open their eyes. Look at all the sins God talks about and look at the consequences on individuals; groups; and society as a whole. He talks about greed; war; love/hate; divorce; adultry; dependence; homosexuality; etc. And look at what we have when we see...how many hurt due to us going against the teachings. You cannot disprove faith and those with faith are under no obligation to prove it. You cannot prove how you got here; why you're here; and where'd you're going, so does that mean you do not exist???
Dang, I cannot type today!
Dang, I cannot type today!
Who gave me a thumbs up. I said I couldn't type, not couldn't think;)
Who gave me a thumbs up. I said I couldn't type, not couldn't think;)