Just because someone believes that christianity is a ridiculous fairy tale that defies logic, does not mean they don't believe anything, nor does it make them a hypocrite. They are believing that christianity and religion in general is bullshit. Therefore they ARE believing in something, just not what the band wants them to. They would be a hypocrite if they denounced religion publicly but actually believed in it themselves. Believing that a belief isn't true isn't hypocrisy, it's opinion.
Scratch that comment. Yours doesn't really makes sense. I thought I got what you're trying to say but my dyslexia got the best of me. You might wanna clear up what you meant cause your context is non-existent when you say "they"...
Scratch that comment. Yours doesn't really makes sense. I thought I got what you're trying to say but my dyslexia got the best of me. You might wanna clear up what you meant cause your context is non-existent when you say "they"...
The song isn't saying that they don't believe in anything. Read my comment above. The song is a commentary on the fact that many atheists claim to "lack a belief" in God instead of just saying they believe there is no God.
The song isn't saying that they don't believe in anything. Read my comment above. The song is a commentary on the fact that many atheists claim to "lack a belief" in God instead of just saying they believe there is no God.
I'm sure August Burns Red would admit that atheists likely believe in the existence of hamburgers or furniture. Stop trying to broaden the meaning of the song.
I'm sure August Burns Red would admit that atheists likely believe in the existence of hamburgers or furniture. Stop trying to broaden the meaning of the song.
Actually what I'm saying is that the writer clearly doesn't understand what a hypocrite is. Being an atheist does not in any way make you a hypocrite, provided you do not secretly believe in god or something else contradictory to atheism.
Actually what I'm saying is that the writer clearly doesn't understand what a hypocrite is. Being an atheist does not in any way make you a hypocrite, provided you do not secretly believe in god or something else contradictory to atheism.
Atheism in general is not even a belief. It is actually somebody who DOESN'T have a belief - in a God. You must acknowledge the distinction between NOT BELIEVING SOMETHING and BELIEVING SOMETHING IS FALSE. An atheist doesn't necessarily believe that there is absolutely no God. He is simply not buying what the theist is selling.
Atheism in general is not even a belief. It is actually somebody who DOESN'T have a belief - in a God. You must acknowledge the distinction between NOT BELIEVING SOMETHING and BELIEVING SOMETHING IS FALSE. An atheist doesn't necessarily believe that there is absolutely no God. He is simply not buying what the theist is selling.
The fact that we need to have a word for "not believing in a diety" may seem silly, but there it is.
The fact that we need to have a word for "not believing in a diety" may seem silly, but there it is.
The whole "belief in unbelief" thing had got me thinking as well,
and I think the description applies a lot more towards nihilists,
and not atheists or agnostics, or skeptics.
The whole "belief in unbelief" thing had got me thinking as well,
and I think the description applies a lot more towards nihilists,
and not atheists or agnostics, or skeptics.
And by the way, being a critical thinker, or, skeptic, should be something to be proud of.
And by the way, being a critical thinker, or, skeptic, should be something to be proud of.
Wow, deekismusic, I am quite impressed with your word manipulation skills. The distinction between not believing something and believing something is false? Really?
Wow, deekismusic, I am quite impressed with your word manipulation skills. The distinction between not believing something and believing something is false? Really?
Atheism - the doctrine or belief that there is no God. The lack of belief in the existence of a God or gods.
Atheism - the doctrine or belief that there is no God. The lack of belief in the existence of a God or gods.
Lack of belief does not imply lack of disbelief. In fact it implies disbelief. The only way you can truly "lack belief" one way or the other is if you are completely unaware of the idea or object in question. For instance, if you had never heard of the easter bunny you would truly...
Lack of belief does not imply lack of disbelief. In fact it implies disbelief. The only way you can truly "lack belief" one way or the other is if you are completely unaware of the idea or object in question. For instance, if you had never heard of the easter bunny you would truly "lack belief." Once you hear about the easter bunny you must choose one side or the other or your brain will do it for you. At this point you NO LONGER LACK BELIEF. You either believe or you don't.
An atheist believes that God does not exist. They may not know FOR CERTAIN that God does not exist but that is irrelevant. You are right, an atheist doesn't necessarily believe that there is ABSOLUTELY no God. I really like how you slip absolutely in there.
The point is, an atheist DOES have to believe that there is no God. They MUST to fulfill the definition. Certainty does not play a part, that is where the gnostic or agnostic modifier comes in.
LOL...God does talk about that nasty lil' bugger called "pride." So because you believe you know everything and you're the center of your universe makes you brigher? More important? Wiser? That's funny. The fact that you either can't or don't see possiblities and are unable to explain many occurances in life makes me wonder if you're more ego than brains.
LOL...God does talk about that nasty lil' bugger called "pride." So because you believe you know everything and you're the center of your universe makes you brigher? More important? Wiser? That's funny. The fact that you either can't or don't see possiblities and are unable to explain many occurances in life makes me wonder if you're more ego than brains.
Just because someone believes that christianity is a ridiculous fairy tale that defies logic, does not mean they don't believe anything, nor does it make them a hypocrite. They are believing that christianity and religion in general is bullshit. Therefore they ARE believing in something, just not what the band wants them to. They would be a hypocrite if they denounced religion publicly but actually believed in it themselves. Believing that a belief isn't true isn't hypocrisy, it's opinion.
Thanks for proving the point of the song....:D
Thanks for proving the point of the song....:D
Scratch that comment. Yours doesn't really makes sense. I thought I got what you're trying to say but my dyslexia got the best of me. You might wanna clear up what you meant cause your context is non-existent when you say "they"...
Scratch that comment. Yours doesn't really makes sense. I thought I got what you're trying to say but my dyslexia got the best of me. You might wanna clear up what you meant cause your context is non-existent when you say "they"...
The song isn't saying that they don't believe in anything. Read my comment above. The song is a commentary on the fact that many atheists claim to "lack a belief" in God instead of just saying they believe there is no God.
The song isn't saying that they don't believe in anything. Read my comment above. The song is a commentary on the fact that many atheists claim to "lack a belief" in God instead of just saying they believe there is no God.
I'm sure August Burns Red would admit that atheists likely believe in the existence of hamburgers or furniture. Stop trying to broaden the meaning of the song.
I'm sure August Burns Red would admit that atheists likely believe in the existence of hamburgers or furniture. Stop trying to broaden the meaning of the song.
Actually what I'm saying is that the writer clearly doesn't understand what a hypocrite is. Being an atheist does not in any way make you a hypocrite, provided you do not secretly believe in god or something else contradictory to atheism.
Actually what I'm saying is that the writer clearly doesn't understand what a hypocrite is. Being an atheist does not in any way make you a hypocrite, provided you do not secretly believe in god or something else contradictory to atheism.
I made this point earlier, but...
I made this point earlier, but...
Atheism in general is not even a belief. It is actually somebody who DOESN'T have a belief - in a God. You must acknowledge the distinction between NOT BELIEVING SOMETHING and BELIEVING SOMETHING IS FALSE. An atheist doesn't necessarily believe that there is absolutely no God. He is simply not buying what the theist is selling.
Atheism in general is not even a belief. It is actually somebody who DOESN'T have a belief - in a God. You must acknowledge the distinction between NOT BELIEVING SOMETHING and BELIEVING SOMETHING IS FALSE. An atheist doesn't necessarily believe that there is absolutely no God. He is simply not buying what the theist is selling.
The fact that we need to have a word for "not believing in a diety" may seem silly, but there it is.
The fact that we need to have a word for "not believing in a diety" may seem silly, but there it is.
The whole "belief in unbelief" thing had got me thinking as well, and I think the description applies a lot more towards nihilists, and not atheists or agnostics, or skeptics.
The whole "belief in unbelief" thing had got me thinking as well, and I think the description applies a lot more towards nihilists, and not atheists or agnostics, or skeptics.
And by the way, being a critical thinker, or, skeptic, should be something to be proud of.
And by the way, being a critical thinker, or, skeptic, should be something to be proud of.
Wow, deekismusic, I am quite impressed with your word manipulation skills. The distinction between not believing something and believing something is false? Really?
Wow, deekismusic, I am quite impressed with your word manipulation skills. The distinction between not believing something and believing something is false? Really?
Atheism - the doctrine or belief that there is no God. The lack of belief in the existence of a God or gods.
Atheism - the doctrine or belief that there is no God. The lack of belief in the existence of a God or gods.
Lack of belief does not imply lack of disbelief. In fact it implies disbelief. The only way you can truly "lack belief" one way or the other is if you are completely unaware of the idea or object in question. For instance, if you had never heard of the easter bunny you would truly...
Lack of belief does not imply lack of disbelief. In fact it implies disbelief. The only way you can truly "lack belief" one way or the other is if you are completely unaware of the idea or object in question. For instance, if you had never heard of the easter bunny you would truly "lack belief." Once you hear about the easter bunny you must choose one side or the other or your brain will do it for you. At this point you NO LONGER LACK BELIEF. You either believe or you don't.
An atheist believes that God does not exist. They may not know FOR CERTAIN that God does not exist but that is irrelevant. You are right, an atheist doesn't necessarily believe that there is ABSOLUTELY no God. I really like how you slip absolutely in there.
The point is, an atheist DOES have to believe that there is no God. They MUST to fulfill the definition. Certainty does not play a part, that is where the gnostic or agnostic modifier comes in.
LOL...God does talk about that nasty lil' bugger called "pride." So because you believe you know everything and you're the center of your universe makes you brigher? More important? Wiser? That's funny. The fact that you either can't or don't see possiblities and are unable to explain many occurances in life makes me wonder if you're more ego than brains.
LOL...God does talk about that nasty lil' bugger called "pride." So because you believe you know everything and you're the center of your universe makes you brigher? More important? Wiser? That's funny. The fact that you either can't or don't see possiblities and are unable to explain many occurances in life makes me wonder if you're more ego than brains.