At one point, the smartest minds thought the world was flat. Science is ever-evolving. What the greatest minds hold true right now, may be laughed at as archaic and lacking vision, in years to come.
"You ask how can a universe come from nothing, I say that after a long interval of time enough particles have formed to make up what we have now." - That wasn't exactly what I meant, I didn't mean, how could it all come together to form a universe, I mean, where did it come from in the first place and what 'set the ball rolling', so to speak. Regardless of whether or not you accept the notion of God, there must have been some external force, which set it all in motion, I just cannot accept the idea that it just happened for no reason. Assuming that Sub-atomic particles do come from from nothing, again I ask, what causes them to come into existance? (This idea seems as crazy to me as my idea of God probably seems to you.)
I also have trouble believing that a universe in which everything follows an order begins with a random act, it seems to run in opposition to itself.
I understand your argument, but your notion of "God" is different to mine. I believe that the concept of time, is all part of the universe he created. I believe that God has always been there, there was nothing before him and he did not occupy 'space' as we understand it, he was just all that there was, until he created the universe, and in the process, created time and space as we understand it.
You said, that the notion of an ever present God, makes no sense to you, that you can not accept the idea that something could always have been there (I think this was what you meant, correct me if I am wrong) but in the same way, your idea that before our universe, there was nothing, no time or space or anything seems equally absurd. If our universe began in the way you suggest, why did it not begin sooner? I just cannot accept that something can come from nothing. Science follows the principle that energy can but never be destroyed and never be created, it can only change form, yet the idea that sub-atomic particles can simply come from nothing seems to be contradictory to this rule.
While science can offer many things, it cannot disprove the existance of God.
At one point, the smartest minds thought the world was flat. Science is ever-evolving. What the greatest minds hold true right now, may be laughed at as archaic and lacking vision, in years to come.
"You ask how can a universe come from nothing, I say that after a long interval of time enough particles have formed to make up what we have now." - That wasn't exactly what I meant, I didn't mean, how could it all come together to form a universe, I mean, where did it come from in the first place and what 'set the ball rolling', so to speak. Regardless of whether or not you accept the notion of God, there must have been some external force, which set it all in motion, I just cannot accept the idea that it just happened for no reason. Assuming that Sub-atomic particles do come from from nothing, again I ask, what causes them to come into existance? (This idea seems as crazy to me as my idea of God probably seems to you.)
I also have trouble believing that a universe in which everything follows an order begins with a random act, it seems to run in opposition to itself.
I understand your argument, but your notion of "God" is different to mine. I believe that the concept of time, is all part of the universe he created. I believe that God has always been there, there was nothing before him and he did not occupy 'space' as we understand it, he was just all that there was, until he created the universe, and in the process, created time and space as we understand it.
You said, that the notion of an ever present God, makes no sense to you, that you can not accept the idea that something could always have been there (I think this was what you meant, correct me if I am wrong) but in the same way, your idea that before our universe, there was nothing, no time or space or anything seems equally absurd. If our universe began in the way you suggest, why did it not begin sooner? I just cannot accept that something can come from nothing. Science follows the principle that energy can but never be destroyed and never be created, it can only change form, yet the idea that sub-atomic particles can simply come from nothing seems to be contradictory to this rule.
While science can offer many things, it cannot disprove the existance of God.