Penetration

I thought comparing the rapture to sex was an incredible analogy, but corporate American to penetration, how great is that? The husband in the last two songs is now at work. He is getting fired because he “isn’t moving units”. That right there is corporate America. If you are not “making dollars then it isn’t making sense”.
The last line of the chorus not only depicts the problem with the business world, but also the attitude of this man. “If it isn't penetration, then it isn't worth a kiss”. The small things in life no matter, count. What is the point of kissing if it doesn’t lead anywhere? Man, our world has so many problems. This song reminds me of the seen in American Beauty where Kevin Spacey gets fired. Accept this guy is going for penetration. He wants it all. The first two lines of this song also hit on a similar theme. The gray-haired idealist and the successful man not walking all over people below him our pictures of people who have a hope in the future. They are what Christians should be. We should still dream when we are old and still take care of the poor when we are not. But as David Bazan points out about society, no one has these standards they are only found in advertisement.

I agree with the guy above, this song is awesome. I appreciate the fact that Pedro the Lion comments on the corporate lifestyle that has done away with the beauty of individualism and purity in this country. The fact that only through analysing can one see the religious undertones and that its not all in your face makes Pedro the Lion theonly tolerable Christian rock band for me, no offense to the churchies.

songs like this are the reason i love ptl. only Christian band that doesnt just shove Christianity down your throat, but instead chooses to proclaim the more important central message of the religion over simply stating that God is good like other Christian bands(creed). i think really the message of the song is that everything is supposed to lead to something better, that everything is a stepping stone. but if you live your life this way youll never be happy and youll just end up hurting people.

Here's the even cooler thing about Pedro. Not only does he not "preach" to non-christians, but the entirity of Winners Never Quit is preaching TO christians. I know how much stuff I do wrong as a christian, so its good to see someone addressing that rather than saying that all christians are perfect. Because we're not.

It's scary how much the company I work for sounds like the company in this song. My boss's boss told us to lie to customers, or at least give out unproven information as fact. Actually, he more threatened us...said we could lose our jobs if we didn't, which is why I'm trying to get out of here. I don't want to be on the Titanic when it goes down.

On a separate note, I love how David takes the whole album to tell a story. It's really cool, but the songs are good enough to stand out on their own.

I think I heard somewhere that penetration is also a business term for reaching customers, so it's makes for sense for that line to be in the song, when it originaly was not.

I'm so damn sick of people calling Pedro the Lion a "christian rock" band. David Bazan is a Christian. He sings about religion. Does that mean he's Christian rock? NO! He happens to sing about people and issues that relate religion, love, business and politics together from a very human perspective, regardless of personal beliefs.

I'm not sure he's referring to market-penetration, since the penetration is about having sex. But it could be that he means both. No kissing without sex, no little deals, etc..

i think that this song is about how you shouldn't start something if you know that it isn't gonna go all the way thru. for example...why even kiss if you kno it isn't gonna end in sex...i dunno, i'm probably wrong, but that's just what i thought right when i first heard it

PTL = Christian, like it or not. According to allmusic.com... "Under the moniker of Pedro the Lion, Bazan creates melodic pop in the vein of Bedhead, Hayden, and Sebadoh, with a lyrical focus on relationships — with both other people and God."

Anyway... This song is an awesome song... I don't know what elseto say about it. I just love this song.