So this has been.my favorite song of OTEP's since it came out in 2004, and I always thought it was a song about a child's narrative of suffering in an abusive Christian home. But now that I am revisiting the lyrics, I am seeing something totally new.
This song could be gospel of John but from the perspective of Jesus.
Jesus was NOT having a good time up to and during the crucifixion. Everyone in the known world at the time looked to him with fear, admiration or disgust and he was constantly being asked questions. He spoke in "verses, prophesies and curses". He had made an enemy of the state, and believed the world was increasingly wicked and fallen from grace, or that he was in the "mouth of madness".
The spine of atlas is the structure that allows the titan to hold the world up. Jesus challenged the state and in doing so became a celebrated resistance figure. It also made him public enemy #1.
All of this happened simply because he was doing his thing, not because of any agenda he had or strategy.
And then he gets scourged (storm of thorns)
There are some plot holes here but I think it's an interesting interpretation.
You can run from the sorrow
And all that you lose
Is the chance to make peace
With the path that you choose
Little apple, I'm sure
Is as small as you think
Bitter reminder the drown
Is in the drink
I admit, I regret
That I'm needing you
I'm depressed, you're the mess
That I looked up to
I retract every word that I say
I swear, I'll never treat others
I swear, I'll never treat others that way
Maybe this isn't anything
Like it should be
You'd be humble and famous
It falls perfectly
I have made some decisions
Choices you make
But I see to my error
I've made a mistake
I admit, I regret
That I'm needing you
I'm depressed, you're the mess
That I looked up to
I retract every word that I say
I swear, I'll never treat others
I swear, I'll never treat others
Swear, I will never treat others
Don't open your mouth
Don't worry about it
I'm in your place, never allow it
I admit, I regret
That I'm needing you
I'm depressed, you're the mess
That I looked up to
I retract every word that I say
I swear, I'll never treat others
I swear, I'll never treat others
Swear, I will never treat others that way
And all that you lose
Is the chance to make peace
With the path that you choose
Little apple, I'm sure
Is as small as you think
Bitter reminder the drown
Is in the drink
I admit, I regret
That I'm needing you
I'm depressed, you're the mess
That I looked up to
I retract every word that I say
I swear, I'll never treat others
I swear, I'll never treat others that way
Maybe this isn't anything
Like it should be
You'd be humble and famous
It falls perfectly
I have made some decisions
Choices you make
But I see to my error
I've made a mistake
I admit, I regret
That I'm needing you
I'm depressed, you're the mess
That I looked up to
I retract every word that I say
I swear, I'll never treat others
I swear, I'll never treat others
Swear, I will never treat others
Don't open your mouth
Don't worry about it
I'm in your place, never allow it
I admit, I regret
That I'm needing you
I'm depressed, you're the mess
That I looked up to
I retract every word that I say
I swear, I'll never treat others
I swear, I'll never treat others
Swear, I will never treat others that way
Lyrics submitted by poptartandcheese
Never Treat Others Lyrics as written by Richard Mccollum Greg Dulli
Lyrics © Hipgnosis Songs Group
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:::the following is based on how i once felt and could relate to it:::
“You can run from the sorrow and all that you lose, is the chance to make peace with the path that you choose.” This line states that running away from your depression is just making it worse. How the only way to even start to overcome it is to realize that it’s there, and that it has to be dealt with. It also seems to be hinting that everyone is sad (not depressed, but sad) to an extent, but just act happy, which slowly crumbles them more and more.
“Little apple, I'm sure, is as small as you think, bitter reminder the drown is in the drink.” This line, through sketchy, can pretty much be interpreted into the idea of your depression being as small as you think it is, and it only seems larger because you refuse to cope with it.
“I admit, I regret, that I'm needing you.” He seems to not want to admit that he needs someone to help him out of his depression, because he’s too deep in it to pull himself out. “I'm depressed, you're the mess, that I looked up to.” He’s seems to, at this point, start to realize that the person he looked up to for help out of depression is more of a mess than himself.
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“I have made some decisions, choices you make, then I see, to my error, I've made a mistake.” This seems to be when he realizes that what he was doing to ‘help himself’ is really what the other person told him to do to make things better, which really didn’t help him.
“Don't open your mouth, don't worry about it.” Seems to be him stating that either he doesn’t want to talk to the person anymore, or that he doesn’t want them to feel as though they have to help him anymore, or apologize.
“If I was in your place I'd never allow it.” States how he feels about this person, how he finally realizes that he shouldn’t have looked up to them because they don’t help.
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He said it was about meeting his idol (I don't remember who it was specifically, but it was someone in the music industry) and this guy was a total jerk, so this song is about matt vowing to never be the idol that turns out to be total scum when people meet him. =)
I think this song has some incorrect lyrics as well:
"I admit i regret that i'm meeting you " "When I'm in your place I'll never allow it " " I have made some decisions, on choices you made but i see, to my error, i've made a mistake "
@fading_shadows Boy, I'm responding 11 years after the fact. Anyway, I just read in an article about the GUK's from 2000 that the song might be about Bill McShane of Ultimate Fakebook. It would make sense ("Little Apple Girl" is an Ultimate Fakebook song), but on the other hand, UFB was Reggie's touring band for a while, and UFB was part of the Lawrence scene as well as tGUK's. I find it hard to believe Pryor barely knew McShane when they were both pretty big in the scene. Also, I saw UFB perform quite a few times in and around Indiana in the early 2000's and McShane was one of the nicest guys you could ask to meet (the entire band was, really). That doesn't fit with him being a jerk, unless the song WAS about him and he took it to heart or something.
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