Menocide

uhh so obvious. woman... all the shit they suffer.. peer pressure is so extreme. how to feel, how to act.. GOD!! you see these 9-year-old girl on the street looking like Las Vegas' cheap-ass tramps.. THICK THICK make-up, halter tops, mini-skirts. because they are pressured by models who look so PERFECT, and they're supposedly flawed. so they think to themselves: "i have to a be a certain way, look a certain way. or else no one'll like me!" so they go so far beyond that they do these horrible acts to themselves. y'know? so yeah....

Hamstertube, settle down. Seriously. Firstly, "Menocide" is not to be taken literally, obviously. Secondly, the fact reminds to this day that women -are- oppressed in many countries around the world. Perhaps it is not as common nor as blatant here in the western world, but look at all of the other nations where women are still considered less than human. Notice how this song mentions female circumcision and burnings? These things and countless other atrocities still happen everyday throughout the world. Women are tortured and slaughtered for the slightest deviation from subserviance. Open your fucking eyes. If you think a song like this constitutes Nazi-like behaviour, take a look at the fascist androcentric regimes that still thrive in our world. One cannot compare this song's message with that of Eminem's music. This is a political song, in my not so humble opinion, and there is nothing political or intellectual to be found in "smackin' bitches" or whatever crap with which you were vainly attempting to equate this.

oh gad!!!!!!!! this song is so amazing, well all there shit is, but this one is indescribably powerful and great!!! every single female in the world should listen to this song!!!!!

if i could be in a band and cover any song at all, it would be this song. it shows the rage that most of us women have when men are bad to us. very powerful, as all of otep's songs are.

menocide is indeed a made up word screamindemons, but it's actually 2 words combined: men+homocide, she's soo smart.. i fucking love you otep...

Hamstertube, relax. It's a SONG. One of the purposes of writing and performing songs is to release tension and strong emotions. Just because Otep wrote a song about it doesn't mean she really wants to slaughter every man on earth (why would she if there's men in her band? Think about that...) and it certainly doesn't mean she hates them. Again, it's A SONG...yes, look at it, listen to it, search for it's meaning, but DON'T TAKE IT SO GODDAMN LITERALLY.

Posts like the above--unwitting knee-jerk apologies for misogyny--spell out the reason why songs like "Menocide" are needed.

Otep's not in need of therapy, she's not sick. What is sick is a society that condemns the oppressed for speaking out. What's sick is denying the sickening statistics we all know about, how many women are raped per hour, how many beaten in their homes, and so on, and so on.

What's sick is condemning an artist for giving vent to emotions nearly every thinking and feeling entity of half the globe's population has felt at one time or another. The caricature of the "evil manhating dyke/feminist" is terribly convenient because it discredits the fact that it's EVERY woman. And so any woman that has a moment of pure unbridled rage--even if it's just in a song, not in actually going out and committing murder--is "crazy", "man-hating", etc. Same old bullshit propaganda.

This all reminds me of when Body Count's "Cop Killer" came out--some whites completely missed the point of the song, the rage some in the black community felt toward police brutality. All they could do was shake their heads like disapproving old grannies, wondering why "those people" (blacks, women, gays, what-have-you) didn't just shut up already.

Feel pity for these people...the more progress is made, the harder a time they're going to have of it.

Awww, don't worry guys, the patriarchy is still firmly in place, and it will take more than one measly little song to topple it. You can all sleep at night and continue feeling safe when you walk down the streets alone at night. Now go look up Cannibal Corpse's lyrics, and shut the fuck up.

Wow, You people are incredibly raged that at least two different genders exist.

The meaning I read out of the song is "Kill your masters". Menocide to me means the extinction of mentors or masters. Kill everyone that tries to display control over another person.

Gender barely comes into the equation unless you want it to. While we're at it, let's involve race and age, or not, let's rather focus on the problem, not the genitalia.

The problem was dehumanization, otherwise known as torture, Otep's claimed solution is retaliation.

the song menocide is more then just speaking out on the oppresion of women, granted it is sexist, granted it has some dirt in the words, but as a male otep fan listening to this song it has alot more meaning then the oppresion given to women around this world. i am not denying the fact and reality of this song but what i am saying is this song to me gives a message that a person should not have to kneel to their knees in the name of a master, boss, keeper, parent, man, women, etc that a person should live freely and with out worries of being treated like shit. this is only my opinion and thats whats so great about a website about this is people can voice their opinion on a song they feel relevent to and be heard by other fans, artist, etc menocide is not just saying kill all men in the world its saying stand up speak out and strike back!