From the most superficial standpoint, this is a gross song about being butt-raped in prison...not very appealing, so looking deeper's necessary. The following lines are the most important, I would say:
Do unto others what has been done to you
Do unto you now what has been done to me
I've come round full circle.
(quoted from tool's official site's lyrics)
I think it's more about victims turning around and victimizing others. At first they are violated, but with time they "come around" to their predator's ways, and violate others themselves.
This is not confined to sexual predation or just to prison. In fact, it seems more like Maynard means to draw a parallel to other froms...religious "recruiters" seem a good example.
preying on the weak and feeble-minded, they convert somebody to their faith, and they cannot defend against these people so because of weak-mindedness they go along, and ignorantly believe what they're told.
Now, they become the missionaries, and ignorantly follow orders to find "recruits." They victimize other people based on how they were originally victimized.
(I'm not dogging all religious types now, just those who fit this example)
Even a child playing an online computer game can fit it. Someone cheats , and he loses out, so he gets angry and starts cheating, ripping off other people.
The concept of this song relates to many many things, we "come around full circle" a lot, and adopt what is handed to us, whether by a malicious enemy, or by inadvertent ignorance. So keep your third eye open and think about this one...
It's not about "being butt-raped in prison." It's about being molested as a child, then becoming a molester oneself. "Prison Sex" is just a device to describe the feeling of molested/molester. Choice is gone, your sex (or sexual deviancy) is your prison.
It's not about "being butt-raped in prison." It's about being molested as a child, then becoming a molester oneself. "Prison Sex" is just a device to describe the feeling of molested/molester. Choice is gone, your sex (or sexual deviancy) is your prison.
Well Christco, if you read all of what allmighty ruler said, you would realize he/she said its about more than one thing. he/she was not saying its only about "being butt-raped" maybe you should go back and try to read the whole thing.
Well Christco, if you read all of what allmighty ruler said, you would realize he/she said its about more than one thing. he/she was not saying its only about "being butt-raped" maybe you should go back and try to read the whole thing.
Absolutely nothing to do with actual prisons as physical, geographic, architectural places. Absolutely everything to do with being imprisoned in cycles of sexual molestation and abuse.
Absolutely nothing to do with actual prisons as physical, geographic, architectural places. Absolutely everything to do with being imprisoned in cycles of sexual molestation and abuse.
And I am the most fervent anti-religion zealot I know, a survivor of the fucking mormons for fucks sake, but the correlation with missionaries is a bit of a stretch. They've got a dozen real faults sicker than any one you can dream up; if we stoop to fighting them on the basis of made-up 'facts' they have the home-court advantage. By all means tear into the bastards, but you need to...
And I am the most fervent anti-religion zealot I know, a survivor of the fucking mormons for fucks sake, but the correlation with missionaries is a bit of a stretch. They've got a dozen real faults sicker than any one you can dream up; if we stoop to fighting them on the basis of made-up 'facts' they have the home-court advantage. By all means tear into the bastards, but you need to fight them with logic and sanity or you've already lost the battle.
All sorts of correlations can be dreamed up if you work at it (this is the first time I've seen the computer game theory, for instance) but given Maynard's own comments about the song and Tool's fearless lyrics & video it seems a bit cold and arrogant to just decide that whatever tenuous connection you can make to your own life is a valid interpretation... that's very postmodern and all I'm sure but very real people endure very real horrors and if Tool can so unflinchingly shine a little light into that darkness it seems profane to hijack that light with unthinking narcissism.
Could not have said it better myself!... I love showing this song to people and they freak out and are like EWWW NASTY! Then I actually tell them to look into the lyrics a bit more deeply... I have only found a few people who were smart enough to pick up on the true meaning. It makes me sad.
Could not have said it better myself!... I love showing this song to people and they freak out and are like EWWW NASTY! Then I actually tell them to look into the lyrics a bit more deeply... I have only found a few people who were smart enough to pick up on the true meaning. It makes me sad.
That's certainly an interesting take on the song. Not sure if I agree though.
That's certainly an interesting take on the song. Not sure if I agree though.
"this is a gross song about being butt-raped in prison...not very appealing, so looking deeper's necessary"
"this is a gross song about being butt-raped in prison...not very appealing, so looking deeper's necessary"
Why? Does every Tool song need to have some deep philosophical meaning? I believe it might very well be possible that this song is indeed about getting ass-raped in the joint. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a big guy named Bubba will shove that cigar right into your ass, as you will then do to the next poor bloke who walks through those...
Why? Does every Tool song need to have some deep philosophical meaning? I believe it might very well be possible that this song is indeed about getting ass-raped in the joint. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a big guy named Bubba will shove that cigar right into your ass, as you will then do to the next poor bloke who walks through those prison doors.
From the most superficial standpoint, this is a gross song about being butt-raped in prison...not very appealing, so looking deeper's necessary. The following lines are the most important, I would say:
Do unto others what has been done to you
Do unto you now what has been done to me
I've come round full circle. (quoted from tool's official site's lyrics)
I think it's more about victims turning around and victimizing others. At first they are violated, but with time they "come around" to their predator's ways, and violate others themselves.
This is not confined to sexual predation or just to prison. In fact, it seems more like Maynard means to draw a parallel to other froms...religious "recruiters" seem a good example. preying on the weak and feeble-minded, they convert somebody to their faith, and they cannot defend against these people so because of weak-mindedness they go along, and ignorantly believe what they're told. Now, they become the missionaries, and ignorantly follow orders to find "recruits." They victimize other people based on how they were originally victimized. (I'm not dogging all religious types now, just those who fit this example)
Even a child playing an online computer game can fit it. Someone cheats , and he loses out, so he gets angry and starts cheating, ripping off other people.
The concept of this song relates to many many things, we "come around full circle" a lot, and adopt what is handed to us, whether by a malicious enemy, or by inadvertent ignorance. So keep your third eye open and think about this one...
very well done.. props on your work... i agree 100%...
very well done.. props on your work... i agree 100%...
It's not about "being butt-raped in prison." It's about being molested as a child, then becoming a molester oneself. "Prison Sex" is just a device to describe the feeling of molested/molester. Choice is gone, your sex (or sexual deviancy) is your prison.
It's not about "being butt-raped in prison." It's about being molested as a child, then becoming a molester oneself. "Prison Sex" is just a device to describe the feeling of molested/molester. Choice is gone, your sex (or sexual deviancy) is your prison.
Well Christco, if you read all of what allmighty ruler said, you would realize he/she said its about more than one thing. he/she was not saying its only about "being butt-raped" maybe you should go back and try to read the whole thing.
Well Christco, if you read all of what allmighty ruler said, you would realize he/she said its about more than one thing. he/she was not saying its only about "being butt-raped" maybe you should go back and try to read the whole thing.
Absolutely nothing to do with actual prisons as physical, geographic, architectural places. Absolutely everything to do with being imprisoned in cycles of sexual molestation and abuse.
Absolutely nothing to do with actual prisons as physical, geographic, architectural places. Absolutely everything to do with being imprisoned in cycles of sexual molestation and abuse.
And I am the most fervent anti-religion zealot I know, a survivor of the fucking mormons for fucks sake, but the correlation with missionaries is a bit of a stretch. They've got a dozen real faults sicker than any one you can dream up; if we stoop to fighting them on the basis of made-up 'facts' they have the home-court advantage. By all means tear into the bastards, but you need to...
And I am the most fervent anti-religion zealot I know, a survivor of the fucking mormons for fucks sake, but the correlation with missionaries is a bit of a stretch. They've got a dozen real faults sicker than any one you can dream up; if we stoop to fighting them on the basis of made-up 'facts' they have the home-court advantage. By all means tear into the bastards, but you need to fight them with logic and sanity or you've already lost the battle.
All sorts of correlations can be dreamed up if you work at it (this is the first time I've seen the computer game theory, for instance) but given Maynard's own comments about the song and Tool's fearless lyrics & video it seems a bit cold and arrogant to just decide that whatever tenuous connection you can make to your own life is a valid interpretation... that's very postmodern and all I'm sure but very real people endure very real horrors and if Tool can so unflinchingly shine a little light into that darkness it seems profane to hijack that light with unthinking narcissism.
Could not have said it better myself!... I love showing this song to people and they freak out and are like EWWW NASTY! Then I actually tell them to look into the lyrics a bit more deeply... I have only found a few people who were smart enough to pick up on the true meaning. It makes me sad.
Could not have said it better myself!... I love showing this song to people and they freak out and are like EWWW NASTY! Then I actually tell them to look into the lyrics a bit more deeply... I have only found a few people who were smart enough to pick up on the true meaning. It makes me sad.
That's certainly an interesting take on the song. Not sure if I agree though.
That's certainly an interesting take on the song. Not sure if I agree though.
"this is a gross song about being butt-raped in prison...not very appealing, so looking deeper's necessary"
"this is a gross song about being butt-raped in prison...not very appealing, so looking deeper's necessary"
Why? Does every Tool song need to have some deep philosophical meaning? I believe it might very well be possible that this song is indeed about getting ass-raped in the joint. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a big guy named Bubba will shove that cigar right into your ass, as you will then do to the next poor bloke who walks through those...
Why? Does every Tool song need to have some deep philosophical meaning? I believe it might very well be possible that this song is indeed about getting ass-raped in the joint. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a big guy named Bubba will shove that cigar right into your ass, as you will then do to the next poor bloke who walks through those prison doors.