Conversation 16 Lyrics

Lyric discussion by fortune8 

Cover art for Conversation 16 lyrics by National, The

The first line "the kids are in trouble" maybe a reference to the Who song "The Kids are Alright" -the writer "I know sometimes I must get out in the light. Better leave her behind with the kids; they're alright. The kids are alright".

The song, seems based on a version of The Wizard of Oz, with an alternative Dorothy's-quest-to-find-the-way-back-home, from this alternative Silver City instead of the Emerald City.

Using the constant sunny California warm weather as a stark contrast to growing up where you learn to try to anticipate the constant temperature changes of the season, daily, even hourly weather changes in Ohio.

Life in Hollywood, the silver city with silver starlets; where it maybe too mercurial, shape-shifting, slippery to ever see anyone's true form. Everything means everything can be the same as meaning nothing.

In contrast to growing up in the work-a-day Ohio life, where you give all your best to your job, then drag your tired, worn-out, whatever is left self to share with your family. Nothing left but sheer, honest, managing your best, against frustration with not enough time.

Maybe he has too much leisure, and their social life is too full for his comfort. Maybe spending too much idle time with friends makes him feel like he's acting in an episode of "Friends" where the tv series title theme song shows all the friends playing in fountain. The Fountain maybe a reference to the film character Melanie Daniels (played by Tippi Hedren) in The Birds, who as a young socialite was notorious for making headlines swimming in a fountain; indicative that she led an aimless, selfish life with too much money and too much privilege, and not enough soul-fulfilling, honest, hard work with life-enhancing, serious puzzles to work out in service for others.

In Wizard of Oz, Dorothy, with Toto nipping at her heels, is like the un-numbered fool card in a tarot deck; she wants to go home. The lion wants courage -he gets a medal. The tin man wants a heart, he gets a ticking clock. The scarecrow wants a brain, he gets a diploma.

The writer of this song wants a brain too, but because this is an alternative version of Oz he turns into a zombie. It's a playful game, when you love someone you tell them you love them so much you want to eat them. He loves his wife, his family, and his friends, he loves them so much he doesn't understand why he's still feeling unsatisfied.

Judging himself, in this alternate version of Oz, he sees himself as insatiable for having so much, yet still feeling unsatisfied, wanting more. So he imagines himself as a ravenous brain-eating zombie. Always consuming, but never full.

Relax writer. Maybe all you want is something harder. Something you're not good at, that forces you to learn, or even discover/invent something that has not been invented before. Something that will do your brain in, trying to figure it out.

Be inspired by "Akino Kimora's Miracle Apples" by Takuji Ishikawa, that Yoko Ono had translated into English. Figure out something that will make you feel proud of yourself to your future descendants. Yes, I think you've done enough, but apparently you are yearning for more.

Re. the title: Conversation 16 - no ideas, except the Fool card (Dorothy) has no number, but this song does. The number 16 -The Tower card in tarot. Something built on an unsteady foundation, that could be brought down to be built up again from a stronger foundation.

[Edit: added "Nothing left but sheer, honest, managing your best, against the frustration of not enough time." adds clarification to the following paragraph.]