So time has unfolded and I needed to revise my perspective/POV. I was rather quick to suggest murder in regards to CC. For that, I sincerely apologize. My posts were made practically 2-3 days after his passing and before toxicology ever returned. Now that it has been 1.5 years, it seemed best I give my comprehension as best I gathered from speaking with a number of people within an intimate circle. I do believe it is VERY plausible Chris took his life. Unfortunately, that's my understanding. That he did take his life in a moment of absolute anger, frustration, confusion and sheer self-flagellation. he was caught up in the moment. I believe, my opinion, he was so mad at himself and some one else. And this was his out. His revenge in some respects b/c it would seem that he was in a exhaustive emotional battle with his wife. Meaning all she seemed to do was participate in an emotionally & mentally abusive relationship with him. It WAS depicted in the video for this song as well as the lyrics. That was Chris' way of explaining his feelings on the matter. (put it in to art. put it in to song) It's all very, truthfully, very sad. Mental abuse. I think the phone call they had that night, moments before he took his life, is the real key. Of course only two people are aware of exactly what was said in that conversation. One is gone and the other can't tell the truth because of shame/guilt. That phone conversation for him was the straw that broke the camel's back, without a doubt. Who knows what was said? Only one person. But she had plenty of ammunition in her bag of tricks to push him over the edge. Obviously, if Chris was tired of being with her and had planned on leaving her...all she had to do was tell him he would never see the kids, again, because she would claim he was a drug addict or suffered from acute depression. Seriously, she had him by the balls. I wouldn't even begin to think these of her manner but over time- her ugliness has made plenty of appearances. Let's call a spade a spade. Amicable divorce doesn't really seem like her way. She doesn't come off as a civil person especially with her mother egging her on. In a year plus of time, she has had plenty of opportunity to make amends with Chris' mother and siblings but...that hasn't happened either. (?) Why? Does she think his own mother isn't mourning the loss? or that Chris' mother would not be overwhelmed with joy to meet the two grandchildren she has yet to meet? See? There is a lack of empathy & civility. You have to wonder- why? This is the true heartache VK has deep within. She has to live with how the entire story unfolded. She has to live with the karma of her actions. This is what pains her more than anything. The Guilt. Chris took his own life. Period. He was in a bad marriage. Did they have love between them or joyous moments together? Sure. But at some point, the love changed between them. Things went South. The children. The children. The children all have to grow up without a father that they loved & cherished. Those children are innocent. They didn't deserve this lot. Chris didn't deserve this. Vicky didn't deserve this, either. Nothing can change in regards. All anyone can do is ask for forgiveness. Be kind. There is no reason to behave ugly, cruel or mean. Geezus. Really quite sad. Healthy, respectful love relationships...when things go bad in a love if only we could be kind in parting ways. But nope, people tend to lash out. People feel hurt and lash out. Passionate love can become a crime of passion. In this incident- that's my conclusion. Simply say a prayer for all involved. They need all the love they can get. -NOMOREBS
@sooverthisbs - Thanks for your thoughts. There are so many things about this man's life that don't make any sense to me but are heart breaking nonetheless.
@sooverthisbs - Thanks for your thoughts. There are so many things about this man's life that don't make any sense to me but are heart breaking nonetheless.
I really don't believe that his wife had enough power to actually keep him from seeing his kids if they were to divorce. Suicide on the other hand makes it a definite that he no longer gets to see any of them.
I really don't believe that his wife had enough power to actually keep him from seeing his kids if they were to divorce. Suicide on the other hand makes it a definite that he no longer gets to see any of them.
Also, no one ever mentions that he met his wife when she was 15 years old and he was 37 (unless I have my info wrong). He married her very...
Also, no one ever mentions that he met his wife when she was 15 years old and he was 37 (unless I have my info wrong). He married her very shortly afterwards which seems like a very impulsive decision. He was a very good looking man FOR SOMEONE HIS AGE. She was not his age so for her I imagine his fame and wealth were very appealing. Also her mom seems incredibly impressed by him so I assume her daughter felt somewhat empowered by having a person like that take such an interest in her. She seems to have grown to be narcissistic, empty and entitled.
I believe he was a very intelligent man that made many foolish life decisions and then felt trapped. My heart bleeds for his original family, his children and his friends. How devastating to imagine he felt he had no where to turn. What a loss!
I do wish his widow would stop trying to milk every last drop of fame from the situation. Considering he latched onto a 15yo, she is somewhat of a victim, but it is time to develop her own identity now and not just keep trying to rewrite history.
Ok... I just saw that the website I found his widow's birthday had transposed the year. They had 1987 listed when it is actually 1978.... So the creep factor has just gone way down.
Ok... I just saw that the website I found his widow's birthday had transposed the year. They had 1987 listed when it is actually 1978.... So the creep factor has just gone way down.
So she didn't grow to be narcissistic, empty and entitled - She was already that way.
So she didn't grow to be narcissistic, empty and entitled - She was already that way.
I wish the best for all involved and am really grateful for all the incredible music he created. Thank you Chris Cornell.
I wish the best for all involved and am really grateful for all the incredible music he created. Thank you Chris Cornell.
WOW. I am in awe of the way you express your thoughts and I couldn't agree more. Those are many, many of the same thoughts I've had since his death. When you look at them, they are SO completely opposite. That, I believe is the key to the drama. Myself, I know what it's like to pick the wrong partner. They are not bad people, innately, but the combination of two people who are sealed together through sacrament and have very little in common is a recipe for disaster. Chris was so quiet...
WOW. I am in awe of the way you express your thoughts and I couldn't agree more. Those are many, many of the same thoughts I've had since his death. When you look at them, they are SO completely opposite. That, I believe is the key to the drama. Myself, I know what it's like to pick the wrong partner. They are not bad people, innately, but the combination of two people who are sealed together through sacrament and have very little in common is a recipe for disaster. Chris was so quiet and emotional. VK made her living being a mouthpiece for PR, very no- nonsense and tenacious. He was very yin, she was very yang.
Maybe he saw in the beginning that she could be helpful to him, professionally, but was not emotionally intelligent enough to know that she was a wrong match for himself. He grew up on the road, he lacked real life experience to learn and grow in the way of relationships. She, on the other hand, would likely pick the same situation considering the money and fame, regardless of him being a good match or not. Like I said, recipe for disaster.
No one's to blame but I can understand how he felt like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Just the fact that his voice was failing him at the end shows how much emotional turmoil he was experiencing, let alone medications he felt he needed to make it through the day! He knew he made his own mistakes, too. His life was curated by himself, regardless of how much VK wanted in. He still opened the door and that was a heavy burden to bear, in all the ways of which you stated so succinctly, above. Not much love but loads of drama and I don't think that in this situation, he could have avoided the games. It's alot to live with, ontop of the deep sadness he felt at losing Andy, et al. Life Lesson: choose a life partner who has a ton in common with you or else you will just drive each other crazy!
So time has unfolded and I needed to revise my perspective/POV. I was rather quick to suggest murder in regards to CC. For that, I sincerely apologize. My posts were made practically 2-3 days after his passing and before toxicology ever returned. Now that it has been 1.5 years, it seemed best I give my comprehension as best I gathered from speaking with a number of people within an intimate circle. I do believe it is VERY plausible Chris took his life. Unfortunately, that's my understanding. That he did take his life in a moment of absolute anger, frustration, confusion and sheer self-flagellation. he was caught up in the moment. I believe, my opinion, he was so mad at himself and some one else. And this was his out. His revenge in some respects b/c it would seem that he was in a exhaustive emotional battle with his wife. Meaning all she seemed to do was participate in an emotionally & mentally abusive relationship with him. It WAS depicted in the video for this song as well as the lyrics. That was Chris' way of explaining his feelings on the matter. (put it in to art. put it in to song) It's all very, truthfully, very sad. Mental abuse. I think the phone call they had that night, moments before he took his life, is the real key. Of course only two people are aware of exactly what was said in that conversation. One is gone and the other can't tell the truth because of shame/guilt. That phone conversation for him was the straw that broke the camel's back, without a doubt. Who knows what was said? Only one person. But she had plenty of ammunition in her bag of tricks to push him over the edge. Obviously, if Chris was tired of being with her and had planned on leaving her...all she had to do was tell him he would never see the kids, again, because she would claim he was a drug addict or suffered from acute depression. Seriously, she had him by the balls. I wouldn't even begin to think these of her manner but over time- her ugliness has made plenty of appearances. Let's call a spade a spade. Amicable divorce doesn't really seem like her way. She doesn't come off as a civil person especially with her mother egging her on. In a year plus of time, she has had plenty of opportunity to make amends with Chris' mother and siblings but...that hasn't happened either. (?) Why? Does she think his own mother isn't mourning the loss? or that Chris' mother would not be overwhelmed with joy to meet the two grandchildren she has yet to meet? See? There is a lack of empathy & civility. You have to wonder- why? This is the true heartache VK has deep within. She has to live with how the entire story unfolded. She has to live with the karma of her actions. This is what pains her more than anything. The Guilt. Chris took his own life. Period. He was in a bad marriage. Did they have love between them or joyous moments together? Sure. But at some point, the love changed between them. Things went South. The children. The children. The children all have to grow up without a father that they loved & cherished. Those children are innocent. They didn't deserve this lot. Chris didn't deserve this. Vicky didn't deserve this, either. Nothing can change in regards. All anyone can do is ask for forgiveness. Be kind. There is no reason to behave ugly, cruel or mean. Geezus. Really quite sad. Healthy, respectful love relationships...when things go bad in a love if only we could be kind in parting ways. But nope, people tend to lash out. People feel hurt and lash out. Passionate love can become a crime of passion. In this incident- that's my conclusion. Simply say a prayer for all involved. They need all the love they can get. -NOMOREBS
@sooverthisbs - Thanks for your thoughts. There are so many things about this man's life that don't make any sense to me but are heart breaking nonetheless.
@sooverthisbs - Thanks for your thoughts. There are so many things about this man's life that don't make any sense to me but are heart breaking nonetheless.
I really don't believe that his wife had enough power to actually keep him from seeing his kids if they were to divorce. Suicide on the other hand makes it a definite that he no longer gets to see any of them.
I really don't believe that his wife had enough power to actually keep him from seeing his kids if they were to divorce. Suicide on the other hand makes it a definite that he no longer gets to see any of them.
Also, no one ever mentions that he met his wife when she was 15 years old and he was 37 (unless I have my info wrong). He married her very...
Also, no one ever mentions that he met his wife when she was 15 years old and he was 37 (unless I have my info wrong). He married her very shortly afterwards which seems like a very impulsive decision. He was a very good looking man FOR SOMEONE HIS AGE. She was not his age so for her I imagine his fame and wealth were very appealing. Also her mom seems incredibly impressed by him so I assume her daughter felt somewhat empowered by having a person like that take such an interest in her. She seems to have grown to be narcissistic, empty and entitled.
I believe he was a very intelligent man that made many foolish life decisions and then felt trapped. My heart bleeds for his original family, his children and his friends. How devastating to imagine he felt he had no where to turn. What a loss!
I do wish his widow would stop trying to milk every last drop of fame from the situation. Considering he latched onto a 15yo, she is somewhat of a victim, but it is time to develop her own identity now and not just keep trying to rewrite history.
Ok... I just saw that the website I found his widow's birthday had transposed the year. They had 1987 listed when it is actually 1978.... So the creep factor has just gone way down.
Ok... I just saw that the website I found his widow's birthday had transposed the year. They had 1987 listed when it is actually 1978.... So the creep factor has just gone way down.
So she didn't grow to be narcissistic, empty and entitled - She was already that way.
So she didn't grow to be narcissistic, empty and entitled - She was already that way.
I wish the best for all involved and am really grateful for all the incredible music he created. Thank you Chris Cornell.
I wish the best for all involved and am really grateful for all the incredible music he created. Thank you Chris Cornell.
WOW. I am in awe of the way you express your thoughts and I couldn't agree more. Those are many, many of the same thoughts I've had since his death. When you look at them, they are SO completely opposite. That, I believe is the key to the drama. Myself, I know what it's like to pick the wrong partner. They are not bad people, innately, but the combination of two people who are sealed together through sacrament and have very little in common is a recipe for disaster. Chris was so quiet...
WOW. I am in awe of the way you express your thoughts and I couldn't agree more. Those are many, many of the same thoughts I've had since his death. When you look at them, they are SO completely opposite. That, I believe is the key to the drama. Myself, I know what it's like to pick the wrong partner. They are not bad people, innately, but the combination of two people who are sealed together through sacrament and have very little in common is a recipe for disaster. Chris was so quiet and emotional. VK made her living being a mouthpiece for PR, very no- nonsense and tenacious. He was very yin, she was very yang.
Maybe he saw in the beginning that she could be helpful to him, professionally, but was not emotionally intelligent enough to know that she was a wrong match for himself. He grew up on the road, he lacked real life experience to learn and grow in the way of relationships. She, on the other hand, would likely pick the same situation considering the money and fame, regardless of him being a good match or not. Like I said, recipe for disaster.
No one's to blame but I can understand how he felt like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Just the fact that his voice was failing him at the end shows how much emotional turmoil he was experiencing, let alone medications he felt he needed to make it through the day! He knew he made his own mistakes, too. His life was curated by himself, regardless of how much VK wanted in. He still opened the door and that was a heavy burden to bear, in all the ways of which you stated so succinctly, above. Not much love but loads of drama and I don't think that in this situation, he could have avoided the games. It's alot to live with, ontop of the deep sadness he felt at losing Andy, et al. Life Lesson: choose a life partner who has a ton in common with you or else you will just drive each other crazy!