I've heard Tyler's pastor speak. This is his philosophy and the philosophy of most modern non-denominational churches these days. Those of us who are Christians should be part of the non-Christian world. We aren't great at accepting "heathens" into our midst, but we absolutely need to accept them AND LOVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE, HOW THEY ARE, WHO THEY ARE. Engage with the culture. Love them. Love people in trouble, people in prison, people in need. Don't preach. Just build relationships with them. Don't jump immediately into sharing your faith - take it slowly and get to know them first. You don't know how they may have been abused by so-called Christians in the past. And be sincere in your love for them - if you're just there trying to convert them, they'll smell your intentions. Wait for them to ask YOU about who you know (Jesus). By then, you will be a trusted friend and you can share the story of the love and grace you have received. And whether or not they convert doesn't matter - that's not your job - your job is to just share the love you have received with the rest of the world, share your faith if the opportunity arises, and let God do the rest.
@Moonbeam86 I want to thank you for all of your interpretations of both this song and others by Twenty One Pilots - they really help me appreciate the music better. It is very hard to listen to anything without having an idea/knowledge of what the lyrics mean and you explain things very clearly.
@Moonbeam86 I want to thank you for all of your interpretations of both this song and others by Twenty One Pilots - they really help me appreciate the music better. It is very hard to listen to anything without having an idea/knowledge of what the lyrics mean and you explain things very clearly.
@Moonbeam86 I should also add that I THINK the room of people is referring to a church - he's talking about a bunch of not-sure, busted up, confused people sitting together in a church sanctuary -- many of them "heathens" -- singing to the sky. We check our guns at the door of the church (smile at each other and be nice because God says to) but it doesn't mean we're healthy inside our brains (hand grenades). And it's within this church that we don't deal with outsiders very well, and we can tell the newcomers, etc., etc. And then...
@Moonbeam86 I should also add that I THINK the room of people is referring to a church - he's talking about a bunch of not-sure, busted up, confused people sitting together in a church sanctuary -- many of them "heathens" -- singing to the sky. We check our guns at the door of the church (smile at each other and be nice because God says to) but it doesn't mean we're healthy inside our brains (hand grenades). And it's within this church that we don't deal with outsiders very well, and we can tell the newcomers, etc., etc. And then what I said above also applies.
But I do agree with others that it could also apply to Tyler and Josh's "clique" concept and the idea of people who come to a concert to see them. I know most people who first started listening to this band in Columbus, Ohio, were teenage Christians -- technically, we started the Clique and now people worldwide are joining us, which brings both concepts together, in a way. Christians and Clique united, all singing to the sky, looking for something more powerful than ourselves. Kind of cool, if you think about it.
@Moonbeam86 Funny how this is the only correct explanation on this site. I kind of love the fact that the song is "covert" otherwise it probably wouldn't get played on the radio like it has and does! More on Tyler Joseph (the song writer) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Joseph
@Moonbeam86 Funny how this is the only correct explanation on this site. I kind of love the fact that the song is "covert" otherwise it probably wouldn't get played on the radio like it has and does! More on Tyler Joseph (the song writer) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Joseph
@Moonbeam86 I love your explanation! I am a bit confused by the last couple of sentences though. What do you reckon they mean by that? I mean, as a Christian you'd want others to eventually start believing in Jesus too, right? Even if you (rightfully so) don't want to force it on them.
@Moonbeam86 I love your explanation! I am a bit confused by the last couple of sentences though. What do you reckon they mean by that? I mean, as a Christian you'd want others to eventually start believing in Jesus too, right? Even if you (rightfully so) don't want to force it on them.
@AleimonThimble I was wondering about that too. I think that, if you can take the video as representing the true meaning of the song (and I assume you can - this band wouldn't do videos without really thinking it through), then the line appears to be directed at Tyler himself. You know, self-talk. At the end of the video, because Tyler dwelled among "heathens," he ended up back in bondage. He became "one of us," far from God. See...I think the whole song is Tyler talking to himself along with everyone else. He's telling himself "take it slow." But at...
@AleimonThimble I was wondering about that too. I think that, if you can take the video as representing the true meaning of the song (and I assume you can - this band wouldn't do videos without really thinking it through), then the line appears to be directed at Tyler himself. You know, self-talk. At the end of the video, because Tyler dwelled among "heathens," he ended up back in bondage. He became "one of us," far from God. See...I think the whole song is Tyler talking to himself along with everyone else. He's telling himself "take it slow." But at the end, his fears of growing far from God are being voiced — his fear that he's not changing other people, but they're changing him instead. He's afraid that, while he thought he was getting other people/heathens out of bondage with his music (as represented in the video), he was really just getting sucked back into bondage himself. At least that's what the video portrays. So he "shouldn't have come" into this life of being surrounded by heathens, and now it looks like he's one of us. I don't know - it's a theory based mostly on the video.
@Moonbeam86. I think it suggests everyone is heathen and judgement is abuse. Heathen means to be innocently unaware. Judging the song confirms the nature of being being heathen.
@Moonbeam86. I think it suggests everyone is heathen and judgement is abuse. Heathen means to be innocently unaware. Judging the song confirms the nature of being being heathen.
I've heard Tyler's pastor speak. This is his philosophy and the philosophy of most modern non-denominational churches these days. Those of us who are Christians should be part of the non-Christian world. We aren't great at accepting "heathens" into our midst, but we absolutely need to accept them AND LOVE THEM WHERE THEY ARE, HOW THEY ARE, WHO THEY ARE. Engage with the culture. Love them. Love people in trouble, people in prison, people in need. Don't preach. Just build relationships with them. Don't jump immediately into sharing your faith - take it slowly and get to know them first. You don't know how they may have been abused by so-called Christians in the past. And be sincere in your love for them - if you're just there trying to convert them, they'll smell your intentions. Wait for them to ask YOU about who you know (Jesus). By then, you will be a trusted friend and you can share the story of the love and grace you have received. And whether or not they convert doesn't matter - that's not your job - your job is to just share the love you have received with the rest of the world, share your faith if the opportunity arises, and let God do the rest.
@Moonbeam86 I want to thank you for all of your interpretations of both this song and others by Twenty One Pilots - they really help me appreciate the music better. It is very hard to listen to anything without having an idea/knowledge of what the lyrics mean and you explain things very clearly.
@Moonbeam86 I want to thank you for all of your interpretations of both this song and others by Twenty One Pilots - they really help me appreciate the music better. It is very hard to listen to anything without having an idea/knowledge of what the lyrics mean and you explain things very clearly.
@Moonbeam86 I should also add that I THINK the room of people is referring to a church - he's talking about a bunch of not-sure, busted up, confused people sitting together in a church sanctuary -- many of them "heathens" -- singing to the sky. We check our guns at the door of the church (smile at each other and be nice because God says to) but it doesn't mean we're healthy inside our brains (hand grenades). And it's within this church that we don't deal with outsiders very well, and we can tell the newcomers, etc., etc. And then...
@Moonbeam86 I should also add that I THINK the room of people is referring to a church - he's talking about a bunch of not-sure, busted up, confused people sitting together in a church sanctuary -- many of them "heathens" -- singing to the sky. We check our guns at the door of the church (smile at each other and be nice because God says to) but it doesn't mean we're healthy inside our brains (hand grenades). And it's within this church that we don't deal with outsiders very well, and we can tell the newcomers, etc., etc. And then what I said above also applies.
But I do agree with others that it could also apply to Tyler and Josh's "clique" concept and the idea of people who come to a concert to see them. I know most people who first started listening to this band in Columbus, Ohio, were teenage Christians -- technically, we started the Clique and now people worldwide are joining us, which brings both concepts together, in a way. Christians and Clique united, all singing to the sky, looking for something more powerful than ourselves. Kind of cool, if you think about it.
@Moonbeam86 Funny how this is the only correct explanation on this site. I kind of love the fact that the song is "covert" otherwise it probably wouldn't get played on the radio like it has and does! More on Tyler Joseph (the song writer) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Joseph
@Moonbeam86 Funny how this is the only correct explanation on this site. I kind of love the fact that the song is "covert" otherwise it probably wouldn't get played on the radio like it has and does! More on Tyler Joseph (the song writer) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Joseph
@Moonbeam86 I love your explanation! I am a bit confused by the last couple of sentences though. What do you reckon they mean by that? I mean, as a Christian you'd want others to eventually start believing in Jesus too, right? Even if you (rightfully so) don't want to force it on them.
@Moonbeam86 I love your explanation! I am a bit confused by the last couple of sentences though. What do you reckon they mean by that? I mean, as a Christian you'd want others to eventually start believing in Jesus too, right? Even if you (rightfully so) don't want to force it on them.
@AleimonThimble I was wondering about that too. I think that, if you can take the video as representing the true meaning of the song (and I assume you can - this band wouldn't do videos without really thinking it through), then the line appears to be directed at Tyler himself. You know, self-talk. At the end of the video, because Tyler dwelled among "heathens," he ended up back in bondage. He became "one of us," far from God. See...I think the whole song is Tyler talking to himself along with everyone else. He's telling himself "take it slow." But at...
@AleimonThimble I was wondering about that too. I think that, if you can take the video as representing the true meaning of the song (and I assume you can - this band wouldn't do videos without really thinking it through), then the line appears to be directed at Tyler himself. You know, self-talk. At the end of the video, because Tyler dwelled among "heathens," he ended up back in bondage. He became "one of us," far from God. See...I think the whole song is Tyler talking to himself along with everyone else. He's telling himself "take it slow." But at the end, his fears of growing far from God are being voiced — his fear that he's not changing other people, but they're changing him instead. He's afraid that, while he thought he was getting other people/heathens out of bondage with his music (as represented in the video), he was really just getting sucked back into bondage himself. At least that's what the video portrays. So he "shouldn't have come" into this life of being surrounded by heathens, and now it looks like he's one of us. I don't know - it's a theory based mostly on the video.
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@Moonbeam86. I think it suggests everyone is heathen and judgement is abuse. Heathen means to be innocently unaware. Judging the song confirms the nature of being being heathen.
@Moonbeam86. I think it suggests everyone is heathen and judgement is abuse. Heathen means to be innocently unaware. Judging the song confirms the nature of being being heathen.
@Moonbeam86 in other words real love consists if no judgement.
@Moonbeam86 in other words real love consists if no judgement.