This song hits me for the idea of hiding depression from other people, and feeling like you should just run away without anyone knowing, but since that's been covered I'll give something else I think it applies to.
When he says "I'll never be what you see inside" it's God he's talking about, and the feeling of trying to live up to being what he thinks you could be is tough because, as a saved sinner, you fall back into patterns of sin. He might have that frustrating pattern in mind when he says, in personification of his own actions , "I'll fake you out," as he is mad at himself and knows he could do better, but it seems like this is the best he can do. He says "I'm so afraid of what you have to say" because he knows what God is thinking. "Because I am quiet now, and silence gives you space" ...when you're alone you are forced to introspect and his silence gives God room to be closer to him. A long monologue occurs often in prayer because it's one sided, where God does not reply face to face--and that's exactly what the song is: a message to somone. He questions Jesus's claim that he is close..."is close the closest star?" Because before he lets God take over in his pain, before he is finally silent, he feels like he's so distant as lonely pain, tearing his sole multiplies...he's scared about being quiet because it gives him space where he can come close to him, bringing punishment, but the truth is He wants to know him and have a relationship and he knows it's just that his brain is sick (but that's ok). In the rap he talks about the day being the same game as it always is, and his crimes are his sins.
Tyler and Josh are Christians, so I don't think this is too far fetched. I'm one too so I know some verses that show he fits the song's description. God sets loneliness in people to bring them closer to him by drawing them to thought. Psalm 68:6"God sets the lonely in families..." and for me, that's what got me to finally think about Jesus and realize my need for rescue. I had to force myself further into isolation incurred by the world and when I thought through my pain, I found God. The bible says those who persue him find him, and it's true. It's crazy to see other people like Tyler that have the same story (even if this song doesn't mean this, he talks about it in other songs and interviews). Luke 5:16 says, "Jesus withdrew into lonely places and he prayed," so what I've found is mourning is not just something you do when somebody dies...I need prayer for my sake, that's why God makes it one sided. When Tyler does that twitching thing it's touching cuz I have always had that same strange physical exertion of emotion when I really try to deal with how I feel. I have to think through all my hurts because sometimes I feel like I spend my whole day faking people out and I finally can get in the shower and drown out the noise and think and pray. That was my life for 2 years of school and I still need prayer like I did then, though I believe in his forgiveness a lot more now. It takes time to really see that you're forgiven. If you think I'm crazy or stupid, trust me Ive actually thought it through. when people try to prove or disprove God's real with philosophy it's just using natural means to explain the supernatural. People only believe cuz he changed them or they see somone has been changed, and Jesus knew that and so he said they will know you by your love. It's really just faith. I guess car radio would've been a better song to rant on but oh well u should probably read the lyrics to both of these songs with my points in mind and see what u get.
@Jønah! Dude i feel the same way, you're not crazy. Except I'm only a little over a year into my insanity... Idk what happened but because of it I have gotten closer to God.
@Jønah! Dude i feel the same way, you're not crazy. Except I'm only a little over a year into my insanity... Idk what happened but because of it I have gotten closer to God.
@Jønah! Oh and one other thing. Insanity is a good term for it but i think a lot of people use it too much almost to the point of, "oh look I'm crazy, I'm cool." And that's not what I meant.
@Jønah! Oh and one other thing. Insanity is a good term for it but i think a lot of people use it too much almost to the point of, "oh look I'm crazy, I'm cool." And that's not what I meant.
@Jønah! So I have a question for you... Because I am not a Christian myself (or any other religion for that matter), there is something I still don't get. I get how you can have the feeling of finding God through your pain. Also, the general idea is that you are a "saved sinner" and that you have to try not to fall back into sin. . (Right??) That also relates to the purpose of life to me in a sense ... Is the goal here to be the best person you can be?
@Jønah! So I have a question for you... Because I am not a Christian myself (or any other religion for that matter), there is something I still don't get. I get how you can have the feeling of finding God through your pain. Also, the general idea is that you are a "saved sinner" and that you have to try not to fall back into sin. . (Right??) That also relates to the purpose of life to me in a sense ... Is the goal here to be the best person you can be?
So then there is one...
So then there is one thing that doesn't make sense to me. There seems to be, throughout all of the songs on blurryface, a really big fear of failure. Not being able to be the best person you can be. Not living up to Gods standards or your own standards. I can relate to that fear A LOT. And then I wonder. Shouldnt God be the one that will accept and understand and support you no matter what? So why and how can you have that much fear and anxiety and worry about if he will leave. .. or dissaprove or what ever. ?
Can you maybe explain how this works? I'm getting more and more the references to God in the lyrics... and want to be able to connect that to the anxiety he expresses also.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't...
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't matter Hes there and he won't ever leave. Doesn't stop you from questioning if you're the worst person in the world and if He will leave.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't...
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't matter Hes there and he won't ever leave. Doesn't stop you from questioning if you're the worst person in the world and if He will leave.
@francis103@WhereFromHere@James Sever @Jønah!
this band does a good job with creating thought provoking songs that people can approach with different backgrounds and come out with different interpretations that still are consistent with the points made in the song, hence why they are my fav band. You can dive into a Christain meaning for most of them, so Im finding that Tyler's inspiration comes from his efforts to work through his past via a relationship with Jesus. To answer your question (francis103) I'll explicate the Judge a little bit: he says "when the leader of the bad guys sang, something...
@francis103@WhereFromHere@James Sever @Jønah!
this band does a good job with creating thought provoking songs that people can approach with different backgrounds and come out with different interpretations that still are consistent with the points made in the song, hence why they are my fav band. You can dive into a Christain meaning for most of them, so Im finding that Tyler's inspiration comes from his efforts to work through his past via a relationship with Jesus. To answer your question (francis103) I'll explicate the Judge a little bit: he says "when the leader of the bad guys sang, something soft and soaked in pain" means "hurt people hurt people" and it turns out that somone so vested in hate reveals his true enemy to be himself. Pain, revealed in isolation, brought him to simply think. Behold, an overarching theme of Vessel and Blurryface: when you run out of distractions in life, when you think, you wake up to the pain you've numbly been living in. While it sits in your subconscious during the day, it is exposed during the night, or anywhere else where you don't have distractions. (Ode to Sleep: "the window sill [a means of suicide] looks really nice, right? It probably happens at night, right?") When the day of faking people out is over its night and you have to be alone and deal with how you feel. In the judge this character (who's actually named Blurryface) feels so guilty, as though he were he's public enemy #1, and cries out to God because he sees that his "sole is freezing" so he will "set him free". I think he feels guilty, and beats himself up ("his for walls declare him insane"), because in this world Blurryface (who represents Tyler's insecurities) gets his self worth from people. For me, what I've realized is that when you try to get it from yourself you realize that you are the source of the question and so you can believe it. Maybe you try to get it from your parents, but you don't believe it cuz your in doubt of their objectiveness. So then i "asked" people in school. Not verbally, of course, but through actions I would not normally do to get their approval. Unfortunately, they'd approve by laughing at my jokes and stuff, but I never believed it. My relief from the question of my self worth wore off, so I'd have to ask again and again. Soon I realized no one has any real grounds for determining if anyone has worth or meaning, as they are also humans. The message of the world was clear: you are worthless. They stopped including me, for example... Then I heard some bible verses and they just swam in my mind, speaking louder than everything else for me. This is why Blurryface is feeling guilty in the judge: cuz he's listening to the world. But to derive your identity from what you do, control, and what people say about you is meaningless because these things all change! And to derive your self worth from the world is meaningless, but I found that God's love doesn't change, and so I take my identity as "the beloved of God". So why do I, as a new Christain, still feel so guiltily? Because it's so abnormal to me--so radically different from the lies I've been beleiving my whole life--that I am unconditionally loved by God. Tylerc Josh, and those who replied to my comment can't help but doubt it because it's so different from the world we live in. In Car Radio he says "there's faith, and there's sleep". We need to pick one because so many people are living as though they are asleep, and his pain is what taught him that to have faith is to be awake. To be awake is to think, and when you think it will bring you to the realization that life's not right the way it is, we aren't meant for this world, and ultimately that he found redemption through Jesus. It says in the bible that God makes use of pain in our lives to draw people to him.
@Jønah! @James Sever @WhereFromHere@francis103
If you guys like tøp I'll post a list of all their songs in Vessel and Blurryface with a consice description of my interpretation of each in this comment section once I finish it. If u don't want me to include u just say so because I know this website sends emails when people reply and if u consider that spam it gets annoying.
@Jønah! @James Sever @WhereFromHere@francis103
If you guys like tøp I'll post a list of all their songs in Vessel and Blurryface with a consice description of my interpretation of each in this comment section once I finish it. If u don't want me to include u just say so because I know this website sends emails when people reply and if u consider that spam it gets annoying.
This song hits me for the idea of hiding depression from other people, and feeling like you should just run away without anyone knowing, but since that's been covered I'll give something else I think it applies to. When he says "I'll never be what you see inside" it's God he's talking about, and the feeling of trying to live up to being what he thinks you could be is tough because, as a saved sinner, you fall back into patterns of sin. He might have that frustrating pattern in mind when he says, in personification of his own actions , "I'll fake you out," as he is mad at himself and knows he could do better, but it seems like this is the best he can do. He says "I'm so afraid of what you have to say" because he knows what God is thinking. "Because I am quiet now, and silence gives you space" ...when you're alone you are forced to introspect and his silence gives God room to be closer to him. A long monologue occurs often in prayer because it's one sided, where God does not reply face to face--and that's exactly what the song is: a message to somone. He questions Jesus's claim that he is close..."is close the closest star?" Because before he lets God take over in his pain, before he is finally silent, he feels like he's so distant as lonely pain, tearing his sole multiplies...he's scared about being quiet because it gives him space where he can come close to him, bringing punishment, but the truth is He wants to know him and have a relationship and he knows it's just that his brain is sick (but that's ok). In the rap he talks about the day being the same game as it always is, and his crimes are his sins.
Tyler and Josh are Christians, so I don't think this is too far fetched. I'm one too so I know some verses that show he fits the song's description. God sets loneliness in people to bring them closer to him by drawing them to thought. Psalm 68:6"God sets the lonely in families..." and for me, that's what got me to finally think about Jesus and realize my need for rescue. I had to force myself further into isolation incurred by the world and when I thought through my pain, I found God. The bible says those who persue him find him, and it's true. It's crazy to see other people like Tyler that have the same story (even if this song doesn't mean this, he talks about it in other songs and interviews). Luke 5:16 says, "Jesus withdrew into lonely places and he prayed," so what I've found is mourning is not just something you do when somebody dies...I need prayer for my sake, that's why God makes it one sided. When Tyler does that twitching thing it's touching cuz I have always had that same strange physical exertion of emotion when I really try to deal with how I feel. I have to think through all my hurts because sometimes I feel like I spend my whole day faking people out and I finally can get in the shower and drown out the noise and think and pray. That was my life for 2 years of school and I still need prayer like I did then, though I believe in his forgiveness a lot more now. It takes time to really see that you're forgiven. If you think I'm crazy or stupid, trust me Ive actually thought it through. when people try to prove or disprove God's real with philosophy it's just using natural means to explain the supernatural. People only believe cuz he changed them or they see somone has been changed, and Jesus knew that and so he said they will know you by your love. It's really just faith. I guess car radio would've been a better song to rant on but oh well u should probably read the lyrics to both of these songs with my points in mind and see what u get.
@Jønah! Dude i feel the same way, you're not crazy. Except I'm only a little over a year into my insanity... Idk what happened but because of it I have gotten closer to God.
@Jønah! Dude i feel the same way, you're not crazy. Except I'm only a little over a year into my insanity... Idk what happened but because of it I have gotten closer to God.
@Jønah! Oh and one other thing. Insanity is a good term for it but i think a lot of people use it too much almost to the point of, "oh look I'm crazy, I'm cool." And that's not what I meant.
@Jønah! Oh and one other thing. Insanity is a good term for it but i think a lot of people use it too much almost to the point of, "oh look I'm crazy, I'm cool." And that's not what I meant.
@Jønah! But yea, I know almost EXACTLY what you are talking about.
@Jønah! But yea, I know almost EXACTLY what you are talking about.
@Jønah! So I have a question for you... Because I am not a Christian myself (or any other religion for that matter), there is something I still don't get. I get how you can have the feeling of finding God through your pain. Also, the general idea is that you are a "saved sinner" and that you have to try not to fall back into sin. . (Right??) That also relates to the purpose of life to me in a sense ... Is the goal here to be the best person you can be?
@Jønah! So I have a question for you... Because I am not a Christian myself (or any other religion for that matter), there is something I still don't get. I get how you can have the feeling of finding God through your pain. Also, the general idea is that you are a "saved sinner" and that you have to try not to fall back into sin. . (Right??) That also relates to the purpose of life to me in a sense ... Is the goal here to be the best person you can be?
So then there is one...
So then there is one thing that doesn't make sense to me. There seems to be, throughout all of the songs on blurryface, a really big fear of failure. Not being able to be the best person you can be. Not living up to Gods standards or your own standards. I can relate to that fear A LOT. And then I wonder. Shouldnt God be the one that will accept and understand and support you no matter what? So why and how can you have that much fear and anxiety and worry about if he will leave. .. or dissaprove or what ever. ?
Can you maybe explain how this works? I'm getting more and more the references to God in the lyrics... and want to be able to connect that to the anxiety he expresses also.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't...
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't matter Hes there and he won't ever leave. Doesn't stop you from questioning if you're the worst person in the world and if He will leave.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
@francis103 I know for me, personally, I am in a constant battle between feeling like I'm not good enough to deserve the love God gives me freely and feeling that sense of relief in knowing that he will in fact love me. Similar to parents (most hopefully) they will always love you but that doesn't mean at times you don't feel anxious or fear that they will be disappointed or upset with you.
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't...
So basically it's thinking "ive done some pretty questionable things" and "how can He still love me after everything I've done?" Almost a disbelief that it doesn't matter Hes there and he won't ever leave. Doesn't stop you from questioning if you're the worst person in the world and if He will leave.
@Jønah!
@Jønah!
@francis103 @WhereFromHere @James Sever @Jønah! this band does a good job with creating thought provoking songs that people can approach with different backgrounds and come out with different interpretations that still are consistent with the points made in the song, hence why they are my fav band. You can dive into a Christain meaning for most of them, so Im finding that Tyler's inspiration comes from his efforts to work through his past via a relationship with Jesus. To answer your question (francis103) I'll explicate the Judge a little bit: he says "when the leader of the bad guys sang, something...
@francis103 @WhereFromHere @James Sever @Jønah! this band does a good job with creating thought provoking songs that people can approach with different backgrounds and come out with different interpretations that still are consistent with the points made in the song, hence why they are my fav band. You can dive into a Christain meaning for most of them, so Im finding that Tyler's inspiration comes from his efforts to work through his past via a relationship with Jesus. To answer your question (francis103) I'll explicate the Judge a little bit: he says "when the leader of the bad guys sang, something soft and soaked in pain" means "hurt people hurt people" and it turns out that somone so vested in hate reveals his true enemy to be himself. Pain, revealed in isolation, brought him to simply think. Behold, an overarching theme of Vessel and Blurryface: when you run out of distractions in life, when you think, you wake up to the pain you've numbly been living in. While it sits in your subconscious during the day, it is exposed during the night, or anywhere else where you don't have distractions. (Ode to Sleep: "the window sill [a means of suicide] looks really nice, right? It probably happens at night, right?") When the day of faking people out is over its night and you have to be alone and deal with how you feel. In the judge this character (who's actually named Blurryface) feels so guilty, as though he were he's public enemy #1, and cries out to God because he sees that his "sole is freezing" so he will "set him free". I think he feels guilty, and beats himself up ("his for walls declare him insane"), because in this world Blurryface (who represents Tyler's insecurities) gets his self worth from people. For me, what I've realized is that when you try to get it from yourself you realize that you are the source of the question and so you can believe it. Maybe you try to get it from your parents, but you don't believe it cuz your in doubt of their objectiveness. So then i "asked" people in school. Not verbally, of course, but through actions I would not normally do to get their approval. Unfortunately, they'd approve by laughing at my jokes and stuff, but I never believed it. My relief from the question of my self worth wore off, so I'd have to ask again and again. Soon I realized no one has any real grounds for determining if anyone has worth or meaning, as they are also humans. The message of the world was clear: you are worthless. They stopped including me, for example... Then I heard some bible verses and they just swam in my mind, speaking louder than everything else for me. This is why Blurryface is feeling guilty in the judge: cuz he's listening to the world. But to derive your identity from what you do, control, and what people say about you is meaningless because these things all change! And to derive your self worth from the world is meaningless, but I found that God's love doesn't change, and so I take my identity as "the beloved of God". So why do I, as a new Christain, still feel so guiltily? Because it's so abnormal to me--so radically different from the lies I've been beleiving my whole life--that I am unconditionally loved by God. Tylerc Josh, and those who replied to my comment can't help but doubt it because it's so different from the world we live in. In Car Radio he says "there's faith, and there's sleep". We need to pick one because so many people are living as though they are asleep, and his pain is what taught him that to have faith is to be awake. To be awake is to think, and when you think it will bring you to the realization that life's not right the way it is, we aren't meant for this world, and ultimately that he found redemption through Jesus. It says in the bible that God makes use of pain in our lives to draw people to him.
@Jønah! @James Sever @WhereFromHere @francis103 If you guys like tøp I'll post a list of all their songs in Vessel and Blurryface with a consice description of my interpretation of each in this comment section once I finish it. If u don't want me to include u just say so because I know this website sends emails when people reply and if u consider that spam it gets annoying.
@Jønah! @James Sever @WhereFromHere @francis103 If you guys like tøp I'll post a list of all their songs in Vessel and Blurryface with a consice description of my interpretation of each in this comment section once I finish it. If u don't want me to include u just say so because I know this website sends emails when people reply and if u consider that spam it gets annoying.
@Jønah! I’m pretty sure this has absolutely nothing to do with “god” take your ridiculous religious fantasies somewhere else
@Jønah! I’m pretty sure this has absolutely nothing to do with “god” take your ridiculous religious fantasies somewhere else