One line that EVERYONE has gotten wrong is, "given (or give a) life to those who died." It's "give a knife to those who died."
In many culture's ancient folklore, giving the gift of a knife is considered bad as it will severe the relationship between giver and recipient.
In the case of this song the line, "Give a knife to those who died." is preceded by, "Reach above your dreams of pleasure." The entire meaning of both lines together being, "live not your life through sin (a doomed or dead soul) and sever yourself from the relationships with those who have."
Oh, and by the way, the southern cross, here, is the inverted cross - the rejection of christ and his message of light and innocence (prominent in the young). Song message: Be warned and make sure you are not part of the time of the southern cross.
And no I'm not religious. But I do study up on it all (and I do mean ALL) ... and I know how to interpret lyrics. ;)
@TheMagnificentVoid
Just a thought, but there could be a problem with seeing the inverted cross as a rejection of Christ. The inverted cross, traditionally, is a Christian symbol normally referred to as the Petrine Cross or the Cross of St. Peter. It's one of the more meaningful Christian emblems signifying Peter's rejection to even be executed in the way Christ was preferring to be crucified upside down i.e. "I am not even worthy to be executed like Christ".
@TheMagnificentVoid
Just a thought, but there could be a problem with seeing the inverted cross as a rejection of Christ. The inverted cross, traditionally, is a Christian symbol normally referred to as the Petrine Cross or the Cross of St. Peter. It's one of the more meaningful Christian emblems signifying Peter's rejection to even be executed in the way Christ was preferring to be crucified upside down i.e. "I am not even worthy to be executed like Christ".
One can argue that the author didn't know this to be the case, but from what I've read, the...
One can argue that the author didn't know this to be the case, but from what I've read, the author(s) were relatively well educated including theology. I kind of doubt they wouldn't have known the real meaning of the inverted cross.
Granted, here as of late the inverted cross has taken on different meaning, but in my opinion, it's been more for shock than an actual meaningful symbol. Since this song isn't for shock value, I lean more towards the reference being more likely star related and not religious, per se.
Other positive references to "psalms" and "rainbow" (another Jewish-Christian symbol) influence my thought, as well.
I'm NOT saying the author endorsed religion of any sorts. The "reject Christ" inference you refer to here, though, just doesn't really pan out to me. Besides, I'm not sure the author would reject Christ as much as he would reject those who would force Christ onto others.
Oh, hey, and thanks for catching that missed lyric! Good references there! I'm probably right with you on your interpretation.
@TheMagnificentVoid
I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
@TheMagnificentVoid
I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with...
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with the Byrds work, except very casually. That is an important clue here.
Dio had for a long time LOATHED the Hollywood machine. Check out his album Strange Highways for more.
Anyway, suffice it to say that the Official History of events are fiction. Likely many of the "dead" from that era headed south of the equator where they could see the "Sign of the Southern Cross" in the sky (it's a constellation). Since these supposedly dead people are traitors they would have no problem giving a knife to those that DID actually die.
One more:
"On a real world, west of wonder
Somewhere, nowhere all
There's a rainbow, see it shimmer
When the summer falls"
The Tate murders occured August 8, 1969 (and are considered the end of the peace/hippie movement by the movements' biggest REAL players) which is when summer --> falls. And the events and news frenzy went well into the fall.
Also, a large number of events in Laurel Canyon happened in and around Worderland Ranch. Tate was "murdered" in a house of Benedict Canyon, a small canyon west of WONDERland ranch.
@TheMagnificentVoid
I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
@TheMagnificentVoid
I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with...
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with the Byrds work, except very casually. That is an important clue here.
Dio had for a long time LOATHED the Hollywood machine. Check out his album Strange Highways for more.
Anyway, suffice it to say that the Official History of events are fiction. Likely many of the "dead" from that era headed south of the equator where they could see the "Sign of the Southern Cross" in the sky (it's a constellation). Since these supposedly dead people are traitors they would have no problem giving a knife to those that DID actually die.
One more:
"On a real world, west of wonder
Somewhere, nowhere all
There's a rainbow, see it shimmer
When the summer falls"
The Tate murders occured August 8, 1969 (and are considered the end of the peace/hippie movement by the movements' biggest REAL players) which is when summer --> falls. And the events and news frenzy went well into the fall.
Also, a large number of events in Laurel Canyon happened in and around Worderland Ranch. Tate was "murdered" in a house of Benedict Canyon, a small canyon west of WONDERland ranch.
EDIT: Oh and I'm not the only one to note the use of the "8 Miles High" refetence to the Byrds and that era. From American Pie, which chronicled that era as well
"Helter skelter in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast"
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/don+mclean/american+pie_20042099.html
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a mistake. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a mistake. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a coincidence. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a coincidence. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
One line that EVERYONE has gotten wrong is, "given (or give a) life to those who died." It's "give a knife to those who died."
In many culture's ancient folklore, giving the gift of a knife is considered bad as it will severe the relationship between giver and recipient.
In the case of this song the line, "Give a knife to those who died." is preceded by, "Reach above your dreams of pleasure." The entire meaning of both lines together being, "live not your life through sin (a doomed or dead soul) and sever yourself from the relationships with those who have."
Oh, and by the way, the southern cross, here, is the inverted cross - the rejection of christ and his message of light and innocence (prominent in the young). Song message: Be warned and make sure you are not part of the time of the southern cross.
And no I'm not religious. But I do study up on it all (and I do mean ALL) ... and I know how to interpret lyrics. ;)
@TheMagnificentVoid Just a thought, but there could be a problem with seeing the inverted cross as a rejection of Christ. The inverted cross, traditionally, is a Christian symbol normally referred to as the Petrine Cross or the Cross of St. Peter. It's one of the more meaningful Christian emblems signifying Peter's rejection to even be executed in the way Christ was preferring to be crucified upside down i.e. "I am not even worthy to be executed like Christ".
@TheMagnificentVoid Just a thought, but there could be a problem with seeing the inverted cross as a rejection of Christ. The inverted cross, traditionally, is a Christian symbol normally referred to as the Petrine Cross or the Cross of St. Peter. It's one of the more meaningful Christian emblems signifying Peter's rejection to even be executed in the way Christ was preferring to be crucified upside down i.e. "I am not even worthy to be executed like Christ".
One can argue that the author didn't know this to be the case, but from what I've read, the...
One can argue that the author didn't know this to be the case, but from what I've read, the author(s) were relatively well educated including theology. I kind of doubt they wouldn't have known the real meaning of the inverted cross.
Granted, here as of late the inverted cross has taken on different meaning, but in my opinion, it's been more for shock than an actual meaningful symbol. Since this song isn't for shock value, I lean more towards the reference being more likely star related and not religious, per se.
Other positive references to "psalms" and "rainbow" (another Jewish-Christian symbol) influence my thought, as well.
I'm NOT saying the author endorsed religion of any sorts. The "reject Christ" inference you refer to here, though, just doesn't really pan out to me. Besides, I'm not sure the author would reject Christ as much as he would reject those who would force Christ onto others.
Oh, hey, and thanks for catching that missed lyric! Good references there! I'm probably right with you on your interpretation.
@TheMagnificentVoid I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
@TheMagnificentVoid I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with...
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with the Byrds work, except very casually. That is an important clue here. Dio had for a long time LOATHED the Hollywood machine. Check out his album Strange Highways for more. Anyway, suffice it to say that the Official History of events are fiction. Likely many of the "dead" from that era headed south of the equator where they could see the "Sign of the Southern Cross" in the sky (it's a constellation). Since these supposedly dead people are traitors they would have no problem giving a knife to those that DID actually die. One more: "On a real world, west of wonder Somewhere, nowhere all There's a rainbow, see it shimmer When the summer falls" The Tate murders occured August 8, 1969 (and are considered the end of the peace/hippie movement by the movements' biggest REAL players) which is when summer --> falls. And the events and news frenzy went well into the fall. Also, a large number of events in Laurel Canyon happened in and around Worderland Ranch. Tate was "murdered" in a house of Benedict Canyon, a small canyon west of WONDERland ranch.
Tinfoil hat firmly on head.
@TheMagnificentVoid I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
@TheMagnificentVoid I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the knife. But I'm not sure the southern cross IS a religious symbol.
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with...
I've come back to this song after doing much research on the happenings in Laurel Canyon in the 60's and 70's (Manson-Tate murders-Bands of non-musicians hitting super stardom weeks after forming-Jim Morrison son of Real Admiral Morrison, fleet commander during Gulf of Tonkin-etc.) Th Byrds, the first band out of the weird Laurel Canyon factory, had their first hit song "Eight Miles High". I'd always wondered where that came from, even though I'm 50 now, I was unfamiliar with the Byrds work, except very casually. That is an important clue here. Dio had for a long time LOATHED the Hollywood machine. Check out his album Strange Highways for more. Anyway, suffice it to say that the Official History of events are fiction. Likely many of the "dead" from that era headed south of the equator where they could see the "Sign of the Southern Cross" in the sky (it's a constellation). Since these supposedly dead people are traitors they would have no problem giving a knife to those that DID actually die. One more: "On a real world, west of wonder Somewhere, nowhere all There's a rainbow, see it shimmer When the summer falls" The Tate murders occured August 8, 1969 (and are considered the end of the peace/hippie movement by the movements' biggest REAL players) which is when summer --> falls. And the events and news frenzy went well into the fall. Also, a large number of events in Laurel Canyon happened in and around Worderland Ranch. Tate was "murdered" in a house of Benedict Canyon, a small canyon west of WONDERland ranch.
EDIT: Oh and I'm not the only one to note the use of the "8 Miles High" refetence to the Byrds and that era. From American Pie, which chronicled that era as well "Helter skelter in a summer swelter The birds flew off with a fallout shelter Eight miles high and falling fast" http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/don+mclean/american+pie_20042099.html
Tinfoil hat firmly on head.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a mistake. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a mistake. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a coincidence. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing related to summer --> falls, and some of the "demonic" stuff in the song. Manson was arrested on October 12, 1969, Alister Crowley's birthday. It's not a coincidence. Also, there is good widespread info that Crowley's "Satanism" was a cover for his British intelligence work in the 19th century.