Her eyes and words are so icy
Oh but she burns
Like rum on the fire
Hot and fast and angry
As she can be
I walk my days on a wire
This girl either has blue eyes.. or she's got a cold stare and words to match, she doesn't talk sweet to him, but oh she's beautiful , but she's quick to anger so as long as they're together he's got to be careful with his words..(walking on a wire)
It looks ugly, but it's clean,
Oh momma, don't fuss over me. - His mother noticed the way his woman deals with him, and how abusive she is and he knows it looks bad but he's trying to convince his mother that it's not as bad as it may look..so don't worry about me I'm fine,we're fine.
The way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine
Open hand or closed fist would be fine
The blood is rare and sweet as cherry wine- When his woman is being cruel to him, it's out of love and she's just showing him that he belongs to her, so whether she slaps him or punches him,it's okay because it doesn't happen too often, and it's rare like cherry wine.
Calls of guilty fall on me
All while she stains
The sheets of some other
Thrown at me so powerfully
Just like she throws with the arm of her BROTHER.- This girl is cheating on him, yet he feels bad..and this girl hits like a man..or her words are as painful as a strong powerful hit.
But I want it, it's a crime
that she's not around most of the time.- He doesn't mind the abuse.
Her fight and fury is fiery
Oh but she loves
Like sleep the the freezing
Sweet and right and merciful
I'm all but washed
In the tide of her breathing. This part of the song is so beautiful yet sad at the same time.. the abuser(the woman) is "sorry" when she's cruel to him, she loves him even better the next time they make love.
maybe i'm wrong, but hey
I don't think you are wrong. I had a relationship exactly like this, except the physical abuse -if that was implied at all.
I don't think you are wrong. I had a relationship exactly like this, except the physical abuse -if that was implied at all.
Yeah the last verse is so beautiful and the beauty exemplifies the tragedy, if anything. Could totally relate. And although I am still shamed, might I say what a ride it was.
Yeah the last verse is so beautiful and the beauty exemplifies the tragedy, if anything. Could totally relate. And although I am still shamed, might I say what a ride it was.
For a long time, I did not talk about the worst aspects of that relationship with anyone, out of shame. When a man finds himself in this kind of situation, it is without exception and without any reservation, solely due to his "weakness"....
For a long time, I did not talk about the worst aspects of that relationship with anyone, out of shame. When a man finds himself in this kind of situation, it is without exception and without any reservation, solely due to his "weakness".
Anyway, I finally talked to my sister one day. She later sent me this song. I am not normally so much in to Hozier's kind of music and had not heard of him. My first thoughts upon hearing it were:
"Wow! This guy knows how it feels better than I do myself !"
"I wonder whether he experienced it too"
"What strength it must take to get past all of that and lay down so beautifully, the most tender detail of all that?"
How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness? I do not understand. Are you saying you should've hurled abuse back to "put her in her place"? Are you saying that men are somehow more capable of taking care of themselves and leaving a relationship than women?
How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness? I do not understand. Are you saying you should've hurled abuse back to "put her in her place"? Are you saying that men are somehow more capable of taking care of themselves and leaving a relationship than women?
I can't imagine you mean either of those. But I can't think of any justification that works.
I can't imagine you mean either of those. But I can't think of any justification that works.
To me, it looks like you're just trying to blame yourself, because that's what you were taught to do for the entire relationship. And that's not on you.
To me, it looks like you're just trying to blame yourself, because that's what you were taught to do for the entire relationship. And that's not on you.
...
Everyone learns from what they experience, and how they act and think is molded by those experiences. Intermittent reinforcement, in particular, is an extremely reliable way to get consistent behavior from human beings -- and that's exactly what abusive relationships provide.
It could've happened to anyone. There's nothing shameful or weak in having psychology that responds like an ordinary human being to the stimuli presented.
Do not shame yourself. Just don't. You're not weak, you're just human.
We all fall into one bear trap or another. You got out of yours.
"How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness?"
"How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness?"
I did not mean that this is objectively the case. I meant that it is generally perceived as such.
I did not mean that this is objectively the case. I meant that it is generally perceived as such.
"Intermittent reinforcement, in particular, is an extremely reliable way to get consistent behavior from human beings -- and that's exactly what abusive relationships provide"
"Intermittent reinforcement, in particular, is an extremely reliable way to get consistent behavior from human beings -- and that's exactly what abusive relationships provide"
Where does the terminology come from? You have either researched the matter thoroughly or
you are learned in matters of this sort.
Where does the terminology come from? You have either researched the matter thoroughly or
you are learned in matters of this sort.
"We all fall into one bear trap or another. You got...
"We all fall into one bear trap or another. You got out of yours".
Yes. I did. Thanks. :)
Now, let's not make this about me as this is a place to talk about songs!
And yeah, I guess people perceive it that way. It's just wrong. One of the great things about the song and the voice it's speaking from, really. Trying to break that down.
And yeah, I guess people perceive it that way. It's just wrong. One of the great things about the song and the voice it's speaking from, really. Trying to break that down.
The terminology's just from psychology. I'm a nerd on several fronts, and that's one of them. I'm unaware of whether or not anyone else has applied that phenomenon to domestic violence (I've only researched that, specifically, a moderate amount), but yeah.
The terminology's just from psychology. I'm a nerd on several fronts, and that's one of them. I'm unaware of whether or not anyone else has applied that phenomenon to domestic violence (I've only researched that, specifically, a moderate amount), but yeah.
Anyway. It's a great song, I actually loved you sharing your experiences, and I love (/hate?) hearing about people feeling...
Anyway. It's a great song, I actually loved you sharing your experiences, and I love (/hate?) hearing about people feeling and really getting this song in a meaningful, personal way.
Her eyes and words are so icy Oh but she burns Like rum on the fire Hot and fast and angry As she can be I walk my days on a wire This girl either has blue eyes.. or she's got a cold stare and words to match, she doesn't talk sweet to him, but oh she's beautiful , but she's quick to anger so as long as they're together he's got to be careful with his words..(walking on a wire)
It looks ugly, but it's clean, Oh momma, don't fuss over me. - His mother noticed the way his woman deals with him, and how abusive she is and he knows it looks bad but he's trying to convince his mother that it's not as bad as it may look..so don't worry about me I'm fine,we're fine.
The way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine Open hand or closed fist would be fine The blood is rare and sweet as cherry wine- When his woman is being cruel to him, it's out of love and she's just showing him that he belongs to her, so whether she slaps him or punches him,it's okay because it doesn't happen too often, and it's rare like cherry wine.
Calls of guilty fall on me All while she stains The sheets of some other Thrown at me so powerfully Just like she throws with the arm of her BROTHER.- This girl is cheating on him, yet he feels bad..and this girl hits like a man..or her words are as painful as a strong powerful hit.
But I want it, it's a crime that she's not around most of the time.- He doesn't mind the abuse.
Her fight and fury is fiery Oh but she loves Like sleep the the freezing Sweet and right and merciful I'm all but washed In the tide of her breathing. This part of the song is so beautiful yet sad at the same time.. the abuser(the woman) is "sorry" when she's cruel to him, she loves him even better the next time they make love. maybe i'm wrong, but hey
@Brieannalewis9
@Brieannalewis9
I don't think you are wrong. I had a relationship exactly like this, except the physical abuse -if that was implied at all.
I don't think you are wrong. I had a relationship exactly like this, except the physical abuse -if that was implied at all.
Yeah the last verse is so beautiful and the beauty exemplifies the tragedy, if anything. Could totally relate. And although I am still shamed, might I say what a ride it was.
Yeah the last verse is so beautiful and the beauty exemplifies the tragedy, if anything. Could totally relate. And although I am still shamed, might I say what a ride it was.
For a long time, I did not talk about the worst aspects of that relationship with anyone, out of shame. When a man finds himself in this kind of situation, it is without exception and without any reservation, solely due to his "weakness"....
For a long time, I did not talk about the worst aspects of that relationship with anyone, out of shame. When a man finds himself in this kind of situation, it is without exception and without any reservation, solely due to his "weakness".
Anyway, I finally talked to my sister one day. She later sent me this song. I am not normally so much in to Hozier's kind of music and had not heard of him. My first thoughts upon hearing it were:
"Wow! This guy knows how it feels better than I do myself !"
"I wonder whether he experienced it too"
"What strength it must take to get past all of that and lay down so beautifully, the most tender detail of all that?"
Anyway, beautiful song -mostly for the lyrics.
You are on to it. :)
@DenusTheMenus
@DenusTheMenus
How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness? I do not understand. Are you saying you should've hurled abuse back to "put her in her place"? Are you saying that men are somehow more capable of taking care of themselves and leaving a relationship than women?
How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness? I do not understand. Are you saying you should've hurled abuse back to "put her in her place"? Are you saying that men are somehow more capable of taking care of themselves and leaving a relationship than women?
I can't imagine you mean either of those. But I can't think of any justification that works.
I can't imagine you mean either of those. But I can't think of any justification that works.
To me, it looks like you're just trying to blame yourself, because that's what you were taught to do for the entire relationship. And that's not on you.
To me, it looks like you're just trying to blame yourself, because that's what you were taught to do for the entire relationship. And that's not on you.
...
Everyone learns from what they experience, and how they act and think is molded by those experiences. Intermittent reinforcement, in particular, is an extremely reliable way to get consistent behavior from human beings -- and that's exactly what abusive relationships provide.
It could've happened to anyone. There's nothing shameful or weak in having psychology that responds like an ordinary human being to the stimuli presented.
Do not shame yourself. Just don't. You're not weak, you're just human.
We all fall into one bear trap or another. You got out of yours.
@teaspill
@teaspill
Relax! I am ok now.
Relax! I am ok now.
"How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness?"
"How on Earth does being a man mean abuse is the result of weakness?"
I did not mean that this is objectively the case. I meant that it is generally perceived as such.
I did not mean that this is objectively the case. I meant that it is generally perceived as such.
"Intermittent reinforcement, in particular, is an extremely reliable way to get consistent behavior from human beings -- and that's exactly what abusive relationships provide"
"Intermittent reinforcement, in particular, is an extremely reliable way to get consistent behavior from human beings -- and that's exactly what abusive relationships provide"
Where does the terminology come from? You have either researched the matter thoroughly or you are learned in matters of this sort.
Where does the terminology come from? You have either researched the matter thoroughly or you are learned in matters of this sort.
"We all fall into one bear trap or another. You got...
"We all fall into one bear trap or another. You got out of yours".
Yes. I did. Thanks. :)
Now, let's not make this about me as this is a place to talk about songs!
@DenusTheMenus
@DenusTheMenus
I'm relaxed. It's cool. shifty eyes
I'm relaxed. It's cool. shifty eyes
And yeah, I guess people perceive it that way. It's just wrong. One of the great things about the song and the voice it's speaking from, really. Trying to break that down.
And yeah, I guess people perceive it that way. It's just wrong. One of the great things about the song and the voice it's speaking from, really. Trying to break that down.
The terminology's just from psychology. I'm a nerd on several fronts, and that's one of them. I'm unaware of whether or not anyone else has applied that phenomenon to domestic violence (I've only researched that, specifically, a moderate amount), but yeah.
The terminology's just from psychology. I'm a nerd on several fronts, and that's one of them. I'm unaware of whether or not anyone else has applied that phenomenon to domestic violence (I've only researched that, specifically, a moderate amount), but yeah.
Anyway. It's a great song, I actually loved you sharing your experiences, and I love (/hate?) hearing about people feeling...
Anyway. It's a great song, I actually loved you sharing your experiences, and I love (/hate?) hearing about people feeling and really getting this song in a meaningful, personal way.
<3
@teaspill
@teaspill
You're welcome. How old are you?
You're welcome. How old are you?
@DenusTheMenus
@DenusTheMenus
Old enough that my being old shows on the internet? xD
Old enough that my being old shows on the internet? xD
30, since you asked.
30, since you asked.
@teaspill
@teaspill
My curiosity was aroused by your infinite wisdom. :P 30 is so young.
My curiosity was aroused by your infinite wisdom. :P 30 is so young.