I think Danilus is the closest to getting it right. Though I love this from PollyKnotswise:
"Using the Church (which is against homosexuality) as a metaphor for making love is just genius. Absolutely fan-fucking-tastic."
The song seems to make sense if "She" is the goddess of Love. And the lovers are gay.
The song is darker than I thought at first (using "take me to church" as a metaphor for 'hot dirty cleansing sex'). That's a psychologically well-adjusted, unrepentant F U to the church. [Editorial comment: In addition to labeling homosexuality a sin, churches have done a helluva job over the centuries pathologizing any sexual expression other than spousal intercourse for procreation. Thus the universal appeal of this song.]
But Hozier is also agonizing over reconciling his homosexuality with his religious beliefs. Particularly the anti-gay preachings at his church.
Thus the chorus has many meanings - his confession of his "sins", his affirmation of his homosexuality and clear intent to continue worshipping the goddess, his desire to also continue to worship at his bricks and mortar church despite the "lies" they preach there, his willingness to accept his churches' punishment ('I'll worship like a dog" and, "you can sharpen your knives"), his desire to give his life to God, his plea for God to accept him into heaven ("give me that deathless death"), and of course the unfavorable comparison of the current manifestation of his church vs. the sacred space of the bedroom with his lover.
Hozier delivers a poignant illustration of how churches' anti-gay doctrines damage their representation of God. And he makes a plea for the church (and society via the video) to accept and celebrate homosexual love as it does heterosexual love. God certainly must.
Just saying... that's what I think.
Don't ask me about the second verse - I don't get the description of the sacrifice. References to the Bible, or Catholic shite?
truenuetral - yes. "deathless death" connotes both orgasm and immortality. More subtle brilliance from our songwriter.
truenuetral - yes. "deathless death" connotes both orgasm and immortality. More subtle brilliance from our songwriter.
SteveO - apparently you're still having trouble wrapping your head around the possibility that Christ and the true Christian God might not be as homophobic as you.
SteveO - apparently you're still having trouble wrapping your head around the possibility that Christ and the true Christian God might not be as homophobic as you.
sacrifice was more a hebrew or pagan ritual, not a catholic one. though the dark ages certainly might have had sacrifices, I can't speak for dead people's habits. But animal sacrifice was very common among those who wanted to please or appease their gods/goddesses in the olden days.
sacrifice was more a hebrew or pagan ritual, not a catholic one. though the dark ages certainly might have had sacrifices, I can't speak for dead people's habits. But animal sacrifice was very common among those who wanted to please or appease their gods/goddesses in the olden days.
I agree 100% with what you've said. I'd like to also add that I think the line
"That's a fine looking high horse
What you got in the stable?"
is a reference to many skeletons in the church's closet, the high horse representing the Church's public face and position on homosexuality, while the "what you got in your stable?" line essentially asks the church "what other information about you do you not present to the public?" Read together, the lines essentially say "That's an interesting holier-than-thou position you have on homosexuality... Surely then, you must have a pristine record regarding...
I agree 100% with what you've said. I'd like to also add that I think the line
"That's a fine looking high horse
What you got in the stable?"
is a reference to many skeletons in the church's closet, the high horse representing the Church's public face and position on homosexuality, while the "what you got in your stable?" line essentially asks the church "what other information about you do you not present to the public?" Read together, the lines essentially say "That's an interesting holier-than-thou position you have on homosexuality... Surely then, you must have a pristine record regarding everything else, as well?" In other words, the lines point out that the Church is in no position to judge what constitutes "pure" and "impure" love.
That's what I think at least... and I think it speaks to the accuracy of your interpretation.
Procrast
I think you're right on about the sacrifice, high horse, and stable/skeletons in their closet. Then "We've a lot of starving faithful" is a plea for the church to serve the spiritual needs of people the church currently rejects. Then "tasty" and "plenty" are contemplating what the church -could- offer. "This is hungry work"! is Daniel speaking about his personal aspirations in creating this song, as well the universal efforts of the faithful to serve God.
Procrast
I think you're right on about the sacrifice, high horse, and stable/skeletons in their closet. Then "We've a lot of starving faithful" is a plea for the church to serve the spiritual needs of people the church currently rejects. Then "tasty" and "plenty" are contemplating what the church -could- offer. "This is hungry work"! is Daniel speaking about his personal aspirations in creating this song, as well the universal efforts of the faithful to serve God.
Excited utterance: We've pieced together an interpretation of most of the second verse!
Excited utterance: We've pieced together an interpretation of most of the second verse!
Melissa pointed out that the sacrifice demanded is to come out of the closet. What a powerful way Hozier has done that with this song and video! With incredible depth and contextual insight.
Melissa pointed out that the sacrifice demanded is to come out of the closet. What a powerful way Hozier has done that with this song and video! With incredible depth and contextual insight.
Procrastin8 recognized that the 'high horse' is the RCC's overinflated moral superiority, and 'what you got in the stable?' asks about all the very ugly skeletons the RCC is hiding in ITS closet.
Procrastin8 recognized that the 'high horse' is the RCC's overinflated moral superiority, and 'what you got in the stable?' asks about all the very ugly skeletons the RCC is hiding in ITS closet.
My light bulb moment: Hozier is suggesting the RCC's high horse is what should really be sacrificed! ('Something meaty for...
My light bulb moment: Hozier is suggesting the RCC's high horse is what should really be sacrificed! ('Something meaty for the main course.') i.e. it's the RCC that needs to change and repent with a huge sacrifice, not individual LGBT folks. I love the subtle yet compelling subversiveness. Think of all the 'starving faithful' such a huge sacrifice could feed.
So, maybe it's just me but just by listening to the song and reading the lyrics, try as I might I don't really see any connection to homosexuality. But someone else commented about the music video having obvious references to homosexuality. In fact, he refers to his lover as his goddess. It's a really amazingly written song. And I think its awesome that you can interpret great songs and adapt them to each persons own identities.
There's some really amazing concepts in this song that make it stand out from most music out there. Worshipping your lover in the bedroom, putting...
So, maybe it's just me but just by listening to the song and reading the lyrics, try as I might I don't really see any connection to homosexuality. But someone else commented about the music video having obvious references to homosexuality. In fact, he refers to his lover as his goddess. It's a really amazingly written song. And I think its awesome that you can interpret great songs and adapt them to each persons own identities.
There's some really amazing concepts in this song that make it stand out from most music out there. Worshipping your lover in the bedroom, putting them on the same pedestal as other people would put god(s). He's also tying that in with as many concepts of religion as possible, not just (modern) Christianity. Although, most, if not all earlier religions like Christianity and paganism and even then Greek and Roman religions all required sacrifice to those gods in return for good favor and fortune, and the gods could be fickle lovers, demanding sacrifices even when there was nothing left but alot of starving faithful. It seems like he's connecting his religion to something more ancient and primal. And his lover could be asking more from him than he can give, like most religions/gods/churches.i could go on and on. Another reason I love this song is that there's so much material referenced that I could almost write a whole book to cover everything
"In early Vedas, Purusa meant a cosmic man whose sacrifice by the gods created all life.[4] This was one of many creation theories discussed in the Vedas. The idea parallels Norse Ymir,[5] with the myth's origin in Proto-Indo-European religion."
"In early Vedas, Purusa meant a cosmic man whose sacrifice by the gods created all life.[4] This was one of many creation theories discussed in the Vedas. The idea parallels Norse Ymir,[5] with the myth's origin in Proto-Indo-European religion."
I think you are spot on with me for the most part, but I think the"She" actually refers to the christian heaven. "If the heavens ever did speak, She's the last true mouthpiece," "worship in the bedroom, only heaven i'll be sent to..." just a rough citing of the song but hopefully you understand what im saying
I think you are spot on with me for the most part, but I think the"She" actually refers to the christian heaven. "If the heavens ever did speak, She's the last true mouthpiece," "worship in the bedroom, only heaven i'll be sent to..." just a rough citing of the song but hopefully you understand what im saying
@david52665 Amazing statements made there :) I Am constantly Soul searching for the deepest Love, the deepest Spirituality, the deepest Primal instincts that we have forgotten. To prepare for the veil to finally be lifted so we can "ALL" wake up to who we truly are which is that we all have the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine within us. In my readings from different spiritual teachers; I have heard that in the future; I believe it was said to be about 35 years from now that there will be 15 different sexes! I can't even begin to wrap...
@david52665 Amazing statements made there :) I Am constantly Soul searching for the deepest Love, the deepest Spirituality, the deepest Primal instincts that we have forgotten. To prepare for the veil to finally be lifted so we can "ALL" wake up to who we truly are which is that we all have the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine within us. In my readings from different spiritual teachers; I have heard that in the future; I believe it was said to be about 35 years from now that there will be 15 different sexes! I can't even begin to wrap my brain around that one! LOL
All I am aware of (in my opinion that is) is that I Love all my brother's and sister's no matter what sex, race, belief or non belief. What speaks to me is Love from ones heart. Love is the answer no matter the question <3
From what I understood the High Horse/Stable part also refers to the child (boys!) abuse that's been going on for years, while even the pope acts like it's not really happening...
This whole song seems like big fat kick in church's hypocrite nuts.
From what I understood the High Horse/Stable part also refers to the child (boys!) abuse that's been going on for years, while even the pope acts like it's not really happening...
This whole song seems like big fat kick in church's hypocrite nuts.
@david52665 I love what's been said already, and I had a couple extra idea about the second verse. First, in the first two lines when he says "If I'm a pagan of the good times; My lover's the sunlight", I think he's referring to the fact that in many polytheistic pagan religions the sun god/goddess was the highest. Thus, he's saying that while love may not be the only god, for him it is the most important.
@david52665 I love what's been said already, and I had a couple extra idea about the second verse. First, in the first two lines when he says "If I'm a pagan of the good times; My lover's the sunlight", I think he's referring to the fact that in many polytheistic pagan religions the sun god/goddess was the highest. Thus, he's saying that while love may not be the only god, for him it is the most important.
Second, I didn't think the "what you got in the stable?" really referred to skeletons in the closet. Instead, I...
Second, I didn't think the "what you got in the stable?" really referred to skeletons in the closet. Instead, I think it refers to the fact that the church takes morally righteous positions on multiple things and thus has multiple "high horses". In addition to homosexuality there's contraception, birth control, etc. The following line of "we've a lot of starving faithful" means that there are a lot of people looked down on by the church for various reasons, and if all of the high horses were sacrificed then all of those people would find a better place in the church.
I agree the church has skeletons in the closet, I just don't think those lines directly attack that point.
@david52665 Moses parted the seas, and all good Christians are required to tithe at least 10% of their earnings to the church. You buy your way into Heaven.
@david52665 Moses parted the seas, and all good Christians are required to tithe at least 10% of their earnings to the church. You buy your way into Heaven.
If I'm a pagan of the good times
My lover's the sunlight (referring to their lover's penis)
To keep the Goddess on my side
She demands a sacrifice
To drain the whole sea (Orgasm)
Get something shiny
Something meaty for the main course
That's a fine looking high horse
What you got in the stable?
We've a lot of starving faithful
That looks tasty
That looks plenty
This is hungry work
If I'm a pagan of the good times
My lover's the sunlight (referring to their lover's penis)
To keep the Goddess on my side
She demands a sacrifice
To drain the whole sea (Orgasm)
Get something shiny
Something meaty for the main course
That's a fine looking high horse
What you got in the stable?
We've a lot of starving faithful
That looks tasty
That looks plenty
This is hungry work
Whole last part is about sucking their lover's cock. >.>
Whole last part is about sucking their lover's cock. >.>
@david52665
The Goddess of love Aine from Celtic/Irish pagan mythology (the poet being Irish) - where sacrifice where regular to satisfy the deities in return for fortune, wealth, rain, Love. Sacrifice of your dignity, the inner pain homosexuals go through in the face of wrong religious beliefs ("lies") is a sacrifice made for Love. As we know, pain is the path to the most intense feelings we experiment - what better song to explain it then this - from pain the best art is born.
@david52665
The Goddess of love Aine from Celtic/Irish pagan mythology (the poet being Irish) - where sacrifice where regular to satisfy the deities in return for fortune, wealth, rain, Love. Sacrifice of your dignity, the inner pain homosexuals go through in the face of wrong religious beliefs ("lies") is a sacrifice made for Love. As we know, pain is the path to the most intense feelings we experiment - what better song to explain it then this - from pain the best art is born.
@david52665 sex is actually a religious experience. Not deity wise but it is. It is the worship of one another. I know it is corny, but even I who am describe by most as cold with my partner ( I am hetero, whatever that means :D ). I agree with a comment down below that it is not just for homos, it is for all of us. Make no mistake that sex is the worship of our bodies, hence a religious experience I think.
@david52665 sex is actually a religious experience. Not deity wise but it is. It is the worship of one another. I know it is corny, but even I who am describe by most as cold with my partner ( I am hetero, whatever that means :D ). I agree with a comment down below that it is not just for homos, it is for all of us. Make no mistake that sex is the worship of our bodies, hence a religious experience I think.
I think this song has absolutely nothing to do with being religious, I think it's not a religious song in the slightest, and I see it as a huge middle finger to Christianity if anything.
I think this song has absolutely nothing to do with being religious, I think it's not a religious song in the slightest, and I see it as a huge middle finger to Christianity if anything.
"I was born sick; command me to be well" is actually a quote from an atheist author.
"I was born sick; command me to be well" is actually a quote from an atheist author.
This song is full of metaphor that plays beautifully off of religion. The only God being worshipped in this song is the speaker's lover, and the only religion in this song is love.
This song is full of metaphor that plays beautifully off of religion. The only God being worshipped in this song is the speaker's lover, and the only religion in this song is love.
@david52665 Almost....but 'She' is the church, not the Goddess of Love. This is obvious from the lines:
@david52665 Almost....but 'She' is the church, not the Goddess of Love. This is obvious from the lines:
My church offers no absolutes
She tells me 'worship in the bedroom'
My church offers no absolutes
She tells me 'worship in the bedroom'
The church doesn't give him an absolute answer, just tells him "Go worship in your bedroom about it."
The church doesn't give him an absolute answer, just tells him "Go worship in your bedroom about it."
The second verse is just about the church looking for money or drama in any way.
The second verse is just about the church looking for money or drama in any way.
To keep the Goddess on my side
She demands a sacrifice
To drain the whole sea
Get something shiny
To keep the Goddess on my side
She demands a sacrifice
To drain the whole sea
Get something shiny
The Goddess (She) again is the church. To keep the church on his side, he...
The Goddess (She) again is the church. To keep the church on his side, he has to make a sacrifice (his love). The church wants to "drain the whole sea" or take away everything about him and his love in order to "Get something shiny", only his money in the end.
Something meaty for the main course
That's a fine looking high horse
What you got in the stable?
We've a lot of starving faithful
That looks tasty
That looks plenty
This is hungry work
This is the church looking for "targets" essentially to bring into their church and feed them hatred and money. "Something meaty for the main course" refers to the church thinking he's a good target. "That's a fine looking high horse" refers to the church recognizing his confidence about his love and seeing it as an opportunity to condemn him for it and fetch "forgiveness" in order to get money. "What you got in the stable?" What other issues can we condemn you for? "We've a lot of starving faithful" We need more money (the church). The rest is self-explanatory.
This is my interpretation. I don't see any references to the Goddess of Love and it seems to be stated that "She" is the church.
@david52665, you're on target except for the "deathless death." That refers to his life in the church, not reaching heaven. In order to accept the fellowship of the church, he would be required to accept a deathless death,....meaning, a life where he is for all intents and purposes dead, without actually (physically) dying. If you are forced to give up sex, intimacy, love,....and experience not only forced celibacy, but emotional denial of your very being, then you are living a deathless death. Some do, but thankfully most don't.
@david52665, you're on target except for the "deathless death." That refers to his life in the church, not reaching heaven. In order to accept the fellowship of the church, he would be required to accept a deathless death,....meaning, a life where he is for all intents and purposes dead, without actually (physically) dying. If you are forced to give up sex, intimacy, love,....and experience not only forced celibacy, but emotional denial of your very being, then you are living a deathless death. Some do, but thankfully most don't.
@david52665 You are right that there are churches that misrepresent God and who He really is and His love. Churches that judge and hate homosexuality. God and true Christians do not hate people who choose that at all. I go to church and am a true follower of Jesus. What the Bible says is true. It is The Living Word, always has and will be. God did not create men or women to have sex or be in relation with the same sex. This is not just my opinion as it is fact from God's truth. Does not mean He...
@david52665 You are right that there are churches that misrepresent God and who He really is and His love. Churches that judge and hate homosexuality. God and true Christians do not hate people who choose that at all. I go to church and am a true follower of Jesus. What the Bible says is true. It is The Living Word, always has and will be. God did not create men or women to have sex or be in relation with the same sex. This is not just my opinion as it is fact from God's truth. Does not mean He or true Christians still do not love those that struggle with this lie. My brother chooses this, I love him dearly and do not judge him. He knows I love him and do not judge his choice. I have friends that also choose a gay lifestyle. I love them as well. God is clear about this in the bible. God loves all people no matter what they choose but hates the sin. True Christians who genuinely seek God, gain this same perspective, but unfortunately the majority of the world doesn't and can't see it this way until they too truly give their life to God and are given a different and new perspective. That also is biblical. Though God loves, it doesn't mean He approves of our choices to go against what He created. He is patient, kind, good and always working to draw us to Him and His truth. :) God bless!
@david52665 If she's the Goddess of Love (Aphrodite/Venus), then "my lover's the sunlight" might refer to Apollo Helios. And the sacrifice, being that "he's a pagan of the good times", is not a Christian "shite" :D I don't know enough about Greek/Roman mythology to understand all the references in the sacrifice verse.
@david52665 If she's the Goddess of Love (Aphrodite/Venus), then "my lover's the sunlight" might refer to Apollo Helios. And the sacrifice, being that "he's a pagan of the good times", is not a Christian "shite" :D I don't know enough about Greek/Roman mythology to understand all the references in the sacrifice verse.
@david52665 Read your bibke, if you have one. It is written, God is Love. It also written that homosexuality is an abomination to God our Creator. Don't use Google, they did a great job making it hard to find the Scriptures relating to it. I had to use another browser. As believers, we must not fuel our human carnal nature, but our spirit. Here is the link to the passages... Ashttps://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality
@david52665 Read your bibke, if you have one. It is written, God is Love. It also written that homosexuality is an abomination to God our Creator. Don't use Google, they did a great job making it hard to find the Scriptures relating to it. I had to use another browser. As believers, we must not fuel our human carnal nature, but our spirit. Here is the link to the passages... Ashttps://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality
I think Danilus is the closest to getting it right. Though I love this from PollyKnotswise: "Using the Church (which is against homosexuality) as a metaphor for making love is just genius. Absolutely fan-fucking-tastic."
The song seems to make sense if "She" is the goddess of Love. And the lovers are gay.
The song is darker than I thought at first (using "take me to church" as a metaphor for 'hot dirty cleansing sex'). That's a psychologically well-adjusted, unrepentant F U to the church. [Editorial comment: In addition to labeling homosexuality a sin, churches have done a helluva job over the centuries pathologizing any sexual expression other than spousal intercourse for procreation. Thus the universal appeal of this song.]
But Hozier is also agonizing over reconciling his homosexuality with his religious beliefs. Particularly the anti-gay preachings at his church.
Thus the chorus has many meanings - his confession of his "sins", his affirmation of his homosexuality and clear intent to continue worshipping the goddess, his desire to also continue to worship at his bricks and mortar church despite the "lies" they preach there, his willingness to accept his churches' punishment ('I'll worship like a dog" and, "you can sharpen your knives"), his desire to give his life to God, his plea for God to accept him into heaven ("give me that deathless death"), and of course the unfavorable comparison of the current manifestation of his church vs. the sacred space of the bedroom with his lover.
Hozier delivers a poignant illustration of how churches' anti-gay doctrines damage their representation of God. And he makes a plea for the church (and society via the video) to accept and celebrate homosexual love as it does heterosexual love. God certainly must.
Just saying... that's what I think.
Don't ask me about the second verse - I don't get the description of the sacrifice. References to the Bible, or Catholic shite?
In short, love is when humans approach the divine. Hetero AND homosexual love. Homophobia is ungodly evil.
In short, love is when humans approach the divine. Hetero AND homosexual love. Homophobia is ungodly evil.
Amen! Amen.
Amen! Amen.
It's perfectly honest to reject Christianity.
It's perfectly honest to reject Christianity.
But statements like "God certainly must" (celebrate homosexual love) and "Homophobia is ungodly evil" are just incoherent.
But statements like "God certainly must" (celebrate homosexual love) and "Homophobia is ungodly evil" are just incoherent.
"his plea for God to accept him into heaven ("give me that deathless death""
"his plea for God to accept him into heaven ("give me that deathless death""
Orgasm is also called "the little death."
Orgasm is also called "the little death."
truenuetral - yes. "deathless death" connotes both orgasm and immortality. More subtle brilliance from our songwriter.
truenuetral - yes. "deathless death" connotes both orgasm and immortality. More subtle brilliance from our songwriter.
SteveO - apparently you're still having trouble wrapping your head around the possibility that Christ and the true Christian God might not be as homophobic as you.
SteveO - apparently you're still having trouble wrapping your head around the possibility that Christ and the true Christian God might not be as homophobic as you.
sacrifice was more a hebrew or pagan ritual, not a catholic one. though the dark ages certainly might have had sacrifices, I can't speak for dead people's habits. But animal sacrifice was very common among those who wanted to please or appease their gods/goddesses in the olden days.
sacrifice was more a hebrew or pagan ritual, not a catholic one. though the dark ages certainly might have had sacrifices, I can't speak for dead people's habits. But animal sacrifice was very common among those who wanted to please or appease their gods/goddesses in the olden days.
I agree 100% with what you've said. I'd like to also add that I think the line "That's a fine looking high horse What you got in the stable?" is a reference to many skeletons in the church's closet, the high horse representing the Church's public face and position on homosexuality, while the "what you got in your stable?" line essentially asks the church "what other information about you do you not present to the public?" Read together, the lines essentially say "That's an interesting holier-than-thou position you have on homosexuality... Surely then, you must have a pristine record regarding...
I agree 100% with what you've said. I'd like to also add that I think the line "That's a fine looking high horse What you got in the stable?"
is a reference to many skeletons in the church's closet, the high horse representing the Church's public face and position on homosexuality, while the "what you got in your stable?" line essentially asks the church "what other information about you do you not present to the public?" Read together, the lines essentially say "That's an interesting holier-than-thou position you have on homosexuality... Surely then, you must have a pristine record regarding everything else, as well?" In other words, the lines point out that the Church is in no position to judge what constitutes "pure" and "impure" love. That's what I think at least... and I think it speaks to the accuracy of your interpretation.
Procrast I think you're right on about the sacrifice, high horse, and stable/skeletons in their closet. Then "We've a lot of starving faithful" is a plea for the church to serve the spiritual needs of people the church currently rejects. Then "tasty" and "plenty" are contemplating what the church -could- offer. "This is hungry work"! is Daniel speaking about his personal aspirations in creating this song, as well the universal efforts of the faithful to serve God.
Procrast I think you're right on about the sacrifice, high horse, and stable/skeletons in their closet. Then "We've a lot of starving faithful" is a plea for the church to serve the spiritual needs of people the church currently rejects. Then "tasty" and "plenty" are contemplating what the church -could- offer. "This is hungry work"! is Daniel speaking about his personal aspirations in creating this song, as well the universal efforts of the faithful to serve God.
Excited utterance: We've pieced together an interpretation of most of the second verse!
Excited utterance: We've pieced together an interpretation of most of the second verse!
Melissa pointed out that the sacrifice demanded is to come out of the closet. What a powerful way Hozier has done that with this song and video! With incredible depth and contextual insight.
Melissa pointed out that the sacrifice demanded is to come out of the closet. What a powerful way Hozier has done that with this song and video! With incredible depth and contextual insight.
Procrastin8 recognized that the 'high horse' is the RCC's overinflated moral superiority, and 'what you got in the stable?' asks about all the very ugly skeletons the RCC is hiding in ITS closet.
Procrastin8 recognized that the 'high horse' is the RCC's overinflated moral superiority, and 'what you got in the stable?' asks about all the very ugly skeletons the RCC is hiding in ITS closet.
My light bulb moment: Hozier is suggesting the RCC's high horse is what should really be sacrificed! ('Something meaty for...
My light bulb moment: Hozier is suggesting the RCC's high horse is what should really be sacrificed! ('Something meaty for the main course.') i.e. it's the RCC that needs to change and repent with a huge sacrifice, not individual LGBT folks. I love the subtle yet compelling subversiveness. Think of all the 'starving faithful' such a huge sacrifice could feed.
So, maybe it's just me but just by listening to the song and reading the lyrics, try as I might I don't really see any connection to homosexuality. But someone else commented about the music video having obvious references to homosexuality. In fact, he refers to his lover as his goddess. It's a really amazingly written song. And I think its awesome that you can interpret great songs and adapt them to each persons own identities. There's some really amazing concepts in this song that make it stand out from most music out there. Worshipping your lover in the bedroom, putting...
So, maybe it's just me but just by listening to the song and reading the lyrics, try as I might I don't really see any connection to homosexuality. But someone else commented about the music video having obvious references to homosexuality. In fact, he refers to his lover as his goddess. It's a really amazingly written song. And I think its awesome that you can interpret great songs and adapt them to each persons own identities. There's some really amazing concepts in this song that make it stand out from most music out there. Worshipping your lover in the bedroom, putting them on the same pedestal as other people would put god(s). He's also tying that in with as many concepts of religion as possible, not just (modern) Christianity. Although, most, if not all earlier religions like Christianity and paganism and even then Greek and Roman religions all required sacrifice to those gods in return for good favor and fortune, and the gods could be fickle lovers, demanding sacrifices even when there was nothing left but alot of starving faithful. It seems like he's connecting his religion to something more ancient and primal. And his lover could be asking more from him than he can give, like most religions/gods/churches.i could go on and on. Another reason I love this song is that there's so much material referenced that I could almost write a whole book to cover everything
for the sacrificial bit, please refer to the article about the very first man in the Hindu myth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha
for the sacrificial bit, please refer to the article about the very first man in the Hindu myth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusha
"In early Vedas, Purusa meant a cosmic man whose sacrifice by the gods created all life.[4] This was one of many creation theories discussed in the Vedas. The idea parallels Norse Ymir,[5] with the myth's origin in Proto-Indo-European religion."
"In early Vedas, Purusa meant a cosmic man whose sacrifice by the gods created all life.[4] This was one of many creation theories discussed in the Vedas. The idea parallels Norse Ymir,[5] with the myth's origin in Proto-Indo-European religion."
I think you are spot on with me for the most part, but I think the"She" actually refers to the christian heaven. "If the heavens ever did speak, She's the last true mouthpiece," "worship in the bedroom, only heaven i'll be sent to..." just a rough citing of the song but hopefully you understand what im saying
I think you are spot on with me for the most part, but I think the"She" actually refers to the christian heaven. "If the heavens ever did speak, She's the last true mouthpiece," "worship in the bedroom, only heaven i'll be sent to..." just a rough citing of the song but hopefully you understand what im saying
@david52665 Amazing statements made there :) I Am constantly Soul searching for the deepest Love, the deepest Spirituality, the deepest Primal instincts that we have forgotten. To prepare for the veil to finally be lifted so we can "ALL" wake up to who we truly are which is that we all have the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine within us. In my readings from different spiritual teachers; I have heard that in the future; I believe it was said to be about 35 years from now that there will be 15 different sexes! I can't even begin to wrap...
@david52665 Amazing statements made there :) I Am constantly Soul searching for the deepest Love, the deepest Spirituality, the deepest Primal instincts that we have forgotten. To prepare for the veil to finally be lifted so we can "ALL" wake up to who we truly are which is that we all have the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine within us. In my readings from different spiritual teachers; I have heard that in the future; I believe it was said to be about 35 years from now that there will be 15 different sexes! I can't even begin to wrap my brain around that one! LOL
All I am aware of (in my opinion that is) is that I Love all my brother's and sister's no matter what sex, race, belief or non belief. What speaks to me is Love from ones heart. Love is the answer no matter the question <3
Namaste~
@david52665 @Procrastin8 I agree with both of your statements! Nicely explained :)
@david52665 @Procrastin8 I agree with both of your statements! Nicely explained :)
From what I understood the High Horse/Stable part also refers to the child (boys!) abuse that's been going on for years, while even the pope acts like it's not really happening... This whole song seems like big fat kick in church's hypocrite nuts.
From what I understood the High Horse/Stable part also refers to the child (boys!) abuse that's been going on for years, while even the pope acts like it's not really happening... This whole song seems like big fat kick in church's hypocrite nuts.
@david52665 I love what's been said already, and I had a couple extra idea about the second verse. First, in the first two lines when he says "If I'm a pagan of the good times; My lover's the sunlight", I think he's referring to the fact that in many polytheistic pagan religions the sun god/goddess was the highest. Thus, he's saying that while love may not be the only god, for him it is the most important.
@david52665 I love what's been said already, and I had a couple extra idea about the second verse. First, in the first two lines when he says "If I'm a pagan of the good times; My lover's the sunlight", I think he's referring to the fact that in many polytheistic pagan religions the sun god/goddess was the highest. Thus, he's saying that while love may not be the only god, for him it is the most important.
Second, I didn't think the "what you got in the stable?" really referred to skeletons in the closet. Instead, I...
Second, I didn't think the "what you got in the stable?" really referred to skeletons in the closet. Instead, I think it refers to the fact that the church takes morally righteous positions on multiple things and thus has multiple "high horses". In addition to homosexuality there's contraception, birth control, etc. The following line of "we've a lot of starving faithful" means that there are a lot of people looked down on by the church for various reasons, and if all of the high horses were sacrificed then all of those people would find a better place in the church.
I agree the church has skeletons in the closet, I just don't think those lines directly attack that point.
@david52665 Moses parted the seas, and all good Christians are required to tithe at least 10% of their earnings to the church. You buy your way into Heaven.
@david52665 Moses parted the seas, and all good Christians are required to tithe at least 10% of their earnings to the church. You buy your way into Heaven.
The second verse also means:
The second verse also means:
If I'm a pagan of the good times My lover's the sunlight (referring to their lover's penis) To keep the Goddess on my side She demands a sacrifice To drain the whole sea (Orgasm) Get something shiny Something meaty for the main course That's a fine looking high horse What you got in the stable? We've a lot of starving faithful That looks tasty That looks plenty This is hungry work
If I'm a pagan of the good times My lover's the sunlight (referring to their lover's penis) To keep the Goddess on my side She demands a sacrifice To drain the whole sea (Orgasm) Get something shiny Something meaty for the main course That's a fine looking high horse What you got in the stable? We've a lot of starving faithful That looks tasty That looks plenty This is hungry work
Whole last part is about sucking their lover's cock. >.>
Whole last part is about sucking their lover's cock. >.>
@david52665 The Goddess of love Aine from Celtic/Irish pagan mythology (the poet being Irish) - where sacrifice where regular to satisfy the deities in return for fortune, wealth, rain, Love. Sacrifice of your dignity, the inner pain homosexuals go through in the face of wrong religious beliefs ("lies") is a sacrifice made for Love. As we know, pain is the path to the most intense feelings we experiment - what better song to explain it then this - from pain the best art is born.
@david52665 The Goddess of love Aine from Celtic/Irish pagan mythology (the poet being Irish) - where sacrifice where regular to satisfy the deities in return for fortune, wealth, rain, Love. Sacrifice of your dignity, the inner pain homosexuals go through in the face of wrong religious beliefs ("lies") is a sacrifice made for Love. As we know, pain is the path to the most intense feelings we experiment - what better song to explain it then this - from pain the best art is born.
@david52665 sex is actually a religious experience. Not deity wise but it is. It is the worship of one another. I know it is corny, but even I who am describe by most as cold with my partner ( I am hetero, whatever that means :D ). I agree with a comment down below that it is not just for homos, it is for all of us. Make no mistake that sex is the worship of our bodies, hence a religious experience I think.
@david52665 sex is actually a religious experience. Not deity wise but it is. It is the worship of one another. I know it is corny, but even I who am describe by most as cold with my partner ( I am hetero, whatever that means :D ). I agree with a comment down below that it is not just for homos, it is for all of us. Make no mistake that sex is the worship of our bodies, hence a religious experience I think.
I think this song has absolutely nothing to do with being religious, I think it's not a religious song in the slightest, and I see it as a huge middle finger to Christianity if anything.
I think this song has absolutely nothing to do with being religious, I think it's not a religious song in the slightest, and I see it as a huge middle finger to Christianity if anything.
"I was born sick; command me to be well" is actually a quote from an atheist author.
"I was born sick; command me to be well" is actually a quote from an atheist author.
This song is full of metaphor that plays beautifully off of religion. The only God being worshipped in this song is the speaker's lover, and the only religion in this song is love.
This song is full of metaphor that plays beautifully off of religion. The only God being worshipped in this song is the speaker's lover, and the only religion in this song is love.
@david52665 Almost....but 'She' is the church, not the Goddess of Love. This is obvious from the lines:
@david52665 Almost....but 'She' is the church, not the Goddess of Love. This is obvious from the lines:
My church offers no absolutes She tells me 'worship in the bedroom'
My church offers no absolutes She tells me 'worship in the bedroom'
The church doesn't give him an absolute answer, just tells him "Go worship in your bedroom about it."
The church doesn't give him an absolute answer, just tells him "Go worship in your bedroom about it."
The second verse is just about the church looking for money or drama in any way.
The second verse is just about the church looking for money or drama in any way.
To keep the Goddess on my side She demands a sacrifice To drain the whole sea Get something shiny
To keep the Goddess on my side She demands a sacrifice To drain the whole sea Get something shiny
The Goddess (She) again is the church. To keep the church on his side, he...
The Goddess (She) again is the church. To keep the church on his side, he has to make a sacrifice (his love). The church wants to "drain the whole sea" or take away everything about him and his love in order to "Get something shiny", only his money in the end.
Something meaty for the main course That's a fine looking high horse What you got in the stable? We've a lot of starving faithful That looks tasty That looks plenty This is hungry work
This is the church looking for "targets" essentially to bring into their church and feed them hatred and money. "Something meaty for the main course" refers to the church thinking he's a good target. "That's a fine looking high horse" refers to the church recognizing his confidence about his love and seeing it as an opportunity to condemn him for it and fetch "forgiveness" in order to get money. "What you got in the stable?" What other issues can we condemn you for? "We've a lot of starving faithful" We need more money (the church). The rest is self-explanatory.
This is my interpretation. I don't see any references to the Goddess of Love and it seems to be stated that "She" is the church.
@david52665, you're on target except for the "deathless death." That refers to his life in the church, not reaching heaven. In order to accept the fellowship of the church, he would be required to accept a deathless death,....meaning, a life where he is for all intents and purposes dead, without actually (physically) dying. If you are forced to give up sex, intimacy, love,....and experience not only forced celibacy, but emotional denial of your very being, then you are living a deathless death. Some do, but thankfully most don't.
@david52665, you're on target except for the "deathless death." That refers to his life in the church, not reaching heaven. In order to accept the fellowship of the church, he would be required to accept a deathless death,....meaning, a life where he is for all intents and purposes dead, without actually (physically) dying. If you are forced to give up sex, intimacy, love,....and experience not only forced celibacy, but emotional denial of your very being, then you are living a deathless death. Some do, but thankfully most don't.
@david52665 You are right that there are churches that misrepresent God and who He really is and His love. Churches that judge and hate homosexuality. God and true Christians do not hate people who choose that at all. I go to church and am a true follower of Jesus. What the Bible says is true. It is The Living Word, always has and will be. God did not create men or women to have sex or be in relation with the same sex. This is not just my opinion as it is fact from God's truth. Does not mean He...
@david52665 You are right that there are churches that misrepresent God and who He really is and His love. Churches that judge and hate homosexuality. God and true Christians do not hate people who choose that at all. I go to church and am a true follower of Jesus. What the Bible says is true. It is The Living Word, always has and will be. God did not create men or women to have sex or be in relation with the same sex. This is not just my opinion as it is fact from God's truth. Does not mean He or true Christians still do not love those that struggle with this lie. My brother chooses this, I love him dearly and do not judge him. He knows I love him and do not judge his choice. I have friends that also choose a gay lifestyle. I love them as well. God is clear about this in the bible. God loves all people no matter what they choose but hates the sin. True Christians who genuinely seek God, gain this same perspective, but unfortunately the majority of the world doesn't and can't see it this way until they too truly give their life to God and are given a different and new perspective. That also is biblical. Though God loves, it doesn't mean He approves of our choices to go against what He created. He is patient, kind, good and always working to draw us to Him and His truth. :) God bless!
@david52665 brilliant theology, nice review. i agree. "god" is allegedly love, or so they say...game over.
@david52665 brilliant theology, nice review. i agree. "god" is allegedly love, or so they say...game over.
@david52665 If she's the Goddess of Love (Aphrodite/Venus), then "my lover's the sunlight" might refer to Apollo Helios. And the sacrifice, being that "he's a pagan of the good times", is not a Christian "shite" :D I don't know enough about Greek/Roman mythology to understand all the references in the sacrifice verse.
@david52665 If she's the Goddess of Love (Aphrodite/Venus), then "my lover's the sunlight" might refer to Apollo Helios. And the sacrifice, being that "he's a pagan of the good times", is not a Christian "shite" :D I don't know enough about Greek/Roman mythology to understand all the references in the sacrifice verse.
@david52665 You do know that not EVERY SONG is about gays right? Seems there is a lot of this being pushed lately
@david52665 You do know that not EVERY SONG is about gays right? Seems there is a lot of this being pushed lately
@david52665 or maybe it is a love letter to the pedophiles of your ilk.
@david52665 or maybe it is a love letter to the pedophiles of your ilk.
@david52665 High horse, is a moral lesson, how many people's hunger (desire, needs) can be fulfilled with only words?
@david52665 High horse, is a moral lesson, how many people's hunger (desire, needs) can be fulfilled with only words?
The last verse is about the act itself, - he calls it the ritual, and gentle sin (as it doesn't hurt anyone).
The last verse is about the act itself, - he calls it the ritual, and gentle sin (as it doesn't hurt anyone).
@david52665 High horse, is a moral lesson, how many people's hunger (desire, needs) can be fulfilled with only words?
@david52665 High horse, is a moral lesson, how many people's hunger (desire, needs) can be fulfilled with only words?
The last verse is about the act itself, - he calls it the ritual, and gentle sin (as it doesn't hurt anyone).
The last verse is about the act itself, - he calls it the ritual, and gentle sin (as it doesn't hurt anyone).
@david52665 Read your bibke, if you have one. It is written, God is Love. It also written that homosexuality is an abomination to God our Creator. Don't use Google, they did a great job making it hard to find the Scriptures relating to it. I had to use another browser. As believers, we must not fuel our human carnal nature, but our spirit. Here is the link to the passages... Ashttps://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality
@david52665 Read your bibke, if you have one. It is written, God is Love. It also written that homosexuality is an abomination to God our Creator. Don't use Google, they did a great job making it hard to find the Scriptures relating to it. I had to use another browser. As believers, we must not fuel our human carnal nature, but our spirit. Here is the link to the passages... Ashttps://www.openbible.info/topics/homosexuality