attempting to reply to ruhfam..I think he's talking about the times they spent together in New York - the whole song is moving from East to West, relating a physical journey with their own relationships journey from beginning to end. The New York times would then be the early part of their relationship, and the memories they shared there
attempting to reply to ruhfam..I think he's talking about the times they spent together in New York - the whole song is moving from East to West, relating a physical journey with their own relationships journey from beginning to end. The New York times would then be the early part of their relationship, and the memories they shared there
Exactly what I meant. The protagonist is attempting to rekindle the relationship ("I walked into town to buy some kindling for the fire"), while Hannah is tearing it apart ("Hannah tore the New York times up into pieces").
Exactly what I meant. The protagonist is attempting to rekindle the relationship ("I walked into town to buy some kindling for the fire"), while Hannah is tearing it apart ("Hannah tore the New York times up into pieces").
Until I read this thread I had interpreted the tearing up of the NYT positively. I pictured the singer walking off to buy some kindling, while Hannah stays and shreds the newspaper to light the kindling with.
Until I read this thread I had interpreted the tearing up of the NYT positively. I pictured the singer walking off to buy some kindling, while Hannah stays and shreds the newspaper to light the kindling with.
I think the two meanings of the line could work together if the song was viewed not to be strictly about a breakup, but about measuring time by the changing dynamics of a relationship. Like a "Phoenix" it dies and is reborn over and over again. The relationship is continually evolving, moving like "crawling vines," and the couple realize that this change is...
I think the two meanings of the line could work together if the song was viewed not to be strictly about a breakup, but about measuring time by the changing dynamics of a relationship. Like a "Phoenix" it dies and is reborn over and over again. The relationship is continually evolving, moving like "crawling vines," and the couple realize that this change is a more adequate measure of the passing of existence than "time."
So Hannah is tearing up the "times they had in NY," and also tearing up the actual newspaper so they can light the fire, indicating that they are moving on with the relationship, starting over, relighting the fire.
Wow. As I was writing that I think I realized all over again how completely fantastic this song is.
This song is even more sad, when you realize that when he sings about "New York times", he isn't talking about the newspaper.
what's he talking about?
what's he talking about?
attempting to reply to ruhfam..I think he's talking about the times they spent together in New York - the whole song is moving from East to West, relating a physical journey with their own relationships journey from beginning to end. The New York times would then be the early part of their relationship, and the memories they shared there
attempting to reply to ruhfam..I think he's talking about the times they spent together in New York - the whole song is moving from East to West, relating a physical journey with their own relationships journey from beginning to end. The New York times would then be the early part of their relationship, and the memories they shared there
Exactly what I meant. The protagonist is attempting to rekindle the relationship ("I walked into town to buy some kindling for the fire"), while Hannah is tearing it apart ("Hannah tore the New York times up into pieces").
Exactly what I meant. The protagonist is attempting to rekindle the relationship ("I walked into town to buy some kindling for the fire"), while Hannah is tearing it apart ("Hannah tore the New York times up into pieces").
Until I read this thread I had interpreted the tearing up of the NYT positively. I pictured the singer walking off to buy some kindling, while Hannah stays and shreds the newspaper to light the kindling with.
Until I read this thread I had interpreted the tearing up of the NYT positively. I pictured the singer walking off to buy some kindling, while Hannah stays and shreds the newspaper to light the kindling with.
I think the two meanings of the line could work together if the song was viewed not to be strictly about a breakup, but about measuring time by the changing dynamics of a relationship. Like a "Phoenix" it dies and is reborn over and over again. The relationship is continually evolving, moving like "crawling vines," and the couple realize that this change is...
I think the two meanings of the line could work together if the song was viewed not to be strictly about a breakup, but about measuring time by the changing dynamics of a relationship. Like a "Phoenix" it dies and is reborn over and over again. The relationship is continually evolving, moving like "crawling vines," and the couple realize that this change is a more adequate measure of the passing of existence than "time."
So Hannah is tearing up the "times they had in NY," and also tearing up the actual newspaper so they can light the fire, indicating that they are moving on with the relationship, starting over, relighting the fire.
Wow. As I was writing that I think I realized all over again how completely fantastic this song is.