Karma Police/Arrest this man/He talks in maths/He buzzes like a fridge/ He’s like a detuned radio.
This is the first stanza in Karma Police. From this Stanza, we can hear that the song is being sung from the point of a narrator, who is requesting the “Karma Police” to arrest someone. So what is Karma?
Karma is a concept developed in ancient India whereby a full cycle of cause and effect takes place. It means that an action that one takes, whether it’s positive or negative, will eventually come back to the person who carried out the action and the effect of it as well. So good actions will give the person who carried out the action a positive consequence, and if someone was to carry out a negative or bad action, then they would receive a negative consequence. In simple terms, what goes around comes around. Because there is obviously no such thing as the karma police, the use of the term “Karma Police” is used metaphorically as bad karma, or negative consequences.
We can then see that the lyric “Karma Police, Arrest this man” is a cry from the narrator, claiming that negative consequences should be delivered to this ‘man’, because in the narrators’ eyes, this man has done something wrong, and therefore deserves the negative consequence. The next lines of the song show the use of similes, “He talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge, He’s like a detuned radio” The listener of the song can then deduce that the narrator wants the “Karma Police” or a negative consequence to act on this man for apparently doing nothing at all. The lyric “He buzzes like a fridge” refers to how the narrator can’t understand him, and he carries on and on. It is clear that the narrator hates the sound of his voice because “He’s like a detuned radio”. It is as if the narrator is dobbing in the man to the Karma Police.
The second stanza re-enforces the first stanza, and shows clear repetition in the first two lines, only replacing “Arrest this man” with “Arrest this girl”. The lines “Her Hitler hairdo is making me feel ill, and we have crashed her party” again show the narrators intolerance to people who are different to himself. It appears that the narrator doesn’t like the hairstyle of a young lady, and in his eyes, is a bad person. The Narrator has judged both the man and woman on small aspects of their personality which are no way crimes, but still wishes bad karma, or the “Karma Police” to act on them. By saying “And we have crashed her party”, the narrator is saying that the Karma Police, or negative karma will act upon not only the young girl and the young man, but all people that the narrator judges and despises, thereby upsetting them, and “crashing their party”. The man and the girl mentioned are representing the people the narrator has intolerance towards.
The chorus of the song then kicks in.
This is what you’ll get/this is what you’ll get/this is what you’ll get/when you mess with us.
Here is a very obvious use of repetition of the phrase “This is what you’ll get”, and the effect that this has is that it re-enforces the message that narrator is trying to convey to the listener. The chorus gives the listener the image of the Narrator being quite pleased at the expense of the group of people, in this case the man and the girl, as they have had negative consequences put on them. “When you mess with us” it is interesting that Radiohead chose to use the word “us”, this implies that the narrator is representing a group, not just himself. Perhaps the group the narrator is representing is society, as people are judged and faced with enormous prejudice for minor things, such as a difference in their personality. This marks the end of the “Action” stage for the narrator. The action stage is the part of the song where the narrator is judging people, and making the requests to the karma police.
Again in the next stanza, it starts off by repeating the phrase and title “Karma Police”, as if the narrator is addressing the karma police, constantly requesting things from them, and this is repeated throughout the first three stanzas.
The next stanza shows the narrator almost complaining to the karma police. “I’ve given all I can, it’s not enough, I’ve given all I can but we’re still on the payroll”. The narrator himself may be receiving bad karma, negative consequences, but this is confusing him because he has gone to all the lengths he can by having the Karma Police arrest the people that his values conflict with. “But we’re still on the payroll”, again the use of “we’re” instead of “I’m” implies that the narrator is representing the group. In this stanza there is even more repetition, possibly re-enforcing the narrators frustration as he himself receives negative karma from the karma police, even though he has helped them by dobbing in the people he thinks should be arrested by them. This is why this stanza is the second stage to the song, the confusion or frustration stage.
Then the music changes key, and the tone and mood of the song does as well. The next stanza goes: “For a minute there/I lost myself, I lost myself/Phew for a minute there/I lost myself, I lost myself.”
The song now enters the third and final realization stage. This shows that the narrator has realized what he has been doing, and that for a minute, he had lost his own character whilst judging others. The narrator realized that judging people on aspects of their personality is an action that is deserving of bad karma itself, and explains why he was still on the karma polices payroll earlier. This stanza is repeated until the song finishes. The narrator was blinded by his hate and intolerance for the other types of people he became the very thing that he was requesting the karma police to bring down.
As mentioned before, the narrator represents a group, and that group could very well be society. Overall the song could be about how society judges people on insignificant in non-incriminating things such as their physical appearance and their personality. Society wishes that these people have negative consequences placed on them. However towards the end of the song, with the key change and tone change, society realized that they themselves are the very thing that they were complaining about and it is themselves who have the personality defects, which is why they were to receive “bad karma”. The overall message is the song then is that in judging people for small things such as personality differences, it is you yourself who is the one who deserves of negative consequences.
Very good. I was thinking about the words "This is what you'll get
When you mess with us". I think they are like demonstrating their power here. When the mentioned society think not just about serving for someone or something but misuse the power of karma police. So it's not like they're only making bad judgements but boasting the power.
Very good. I was thinking about the words "This is what you'll get
When you mess with us". I think they are like demonstrating their power here. When the mentioned society think not just about serving for someone or something but misuse the power of karma police. So it's not like they're only making bad judgements but boasting the power.
Yes, it's good, but I think you've missed the most important point, probably, in the ambivalent ending. Personally I would say it is not so ambivalent , but ends in a completely different way to how the post interpretation suggests. And that the possibility of ambivalence is there as a trap which, it is known, can be missed, but by the full, important, real meaning of the song, ought to be seen, properly. I suggest you consider the opening stanzas and whole song quite like the fatalism of Greek tragedy - it just is. This means reckoning that the phrases...
Yes, it's good, but I think you've missed the most important point, probably, in the ambivalent ending. Personally I would say it is not so ambivalent , but ends in a completely different way to how the post interpretation suggests. And that the possibility of ambivalence is there as a trap which, it is known, can be missed, but by the full, important, real meaning of the song, ought to be seen, properly. I suggest you consider the opening stanzas and whole song quite like the fatalism of Greek tragedy - it just is. This means reckoning that the phrases of the early part don't differ in character, in one sense, from the phrases towards the end of the song.
The first stanzas, I agree with what you say here. There are hateful persons in a group, or one person who represents a group, but who can't contain their hate and will something bad to happen to people who the narrator is simply annoyed by or jealous of. Their is irony is the paradox that it is the narrator who doesn't understand the uniqueness of those who don't fit in, but he is willing harm to those whom make him feel uncomfortable, but pretending it is karma they deserve. The people don't fit in to the mind of the narrator (but more importantly, it seems, his group - all those who are 'with' him - those who do whatever is required, whenever required, to 'fit in'). The thing here is to wonder if the narrator knows what he is stating is wrong. Is he just vexed and deceiving himself, or are these lines of the song just the usual lines used, his typical tools for his typical achievements?
When you realise he is in a group of like minded beings, you can't really conclude they don't know what it means to think and act how they do. Are they like minded, using the 'us' term simply because they are consistently and honestly people who make genuine mistakes about people and life, people who don't intend to harm? Is it a support group for the thought and act equivalent of tourrettes disease sufferers? No, that's ridiculoua, so it becomes clear this song has a very serious message.
What's more about realising that the opening stanzas are just words - typically deployed tools of hate, of making the world an oppositional place of falseness, a demonic thing - is then to assess what is meant later?
This is the suggestion of ambivalence. The suggestion that someone (in a group of those who hate and fit in together and who call their anti-marshalls against those who don't fit in, lying, pretending that they are wreaking bad karma against themselves) has seen the light and realised his wrongness can be taken. But, if you look at the song as dead words, with soul dead, demonic people who intend to live by whatever demonic 'pleasure' fix takes them, the later stanzas can be seen as exactly the same as the earlier ones - simply words to choose, tools to use as appropriate at any time for a desired effect. Whether these be for to slither out of punishment and avoid a clear, certain kind of recorded, public reputation, or just to speak at certain times to create a false image, trying on the form of the 'honest jacket' for looks and character sustenance, they are simply like meaningless scrabble letters to choose.
The point of the song, then, is to illuminate this context which uses the possibility of ambivalence, in the possibility of honesty. It's a context which the bad man will pick up and use, words to be employes, without doubt, maybe often. It is the context when the bad man of the bad group, the Illuminati president perhaps, or the girl living subtly, unknown, protecting the status and potency of the criminal damage ring - feigns the natural human being.
Perhaps "Karma Police" was intended to also highlight the possibility of eventual redemption, in eventual epiphany, within the ambivalence in the latter part of the song. I think, with a further u turn, it suggests a future where one or any one of the 'us' group, the demonic social controllers, a Mafia who rule really breathes truth in his or her lungs once more, in a distant future.
@Davos I agree with you. In the last part of the music, the narrator goes "I lost myself" and emphasizes "Me, myself and I" instead "us or we", so I think that there isn't no one business to be worried, complain about and judging about others' personalities and appearence and also you do need to watch out you because, unfortunately, the society is acostumed to judge. First, look to yourself and try to change yourself to be a better person, because it's just depends on you.
@Davos I agree with you. In the last part of the music, the narrator goes "I lost myself" and emphasizes "Me, myself and I" instead "us or we", so I think that there isn't no one business to be worried, complain about and judging about others' personalities and appearence and also you do need to watch out you because, unfortunately, the society is acostumed to judge. First, look to yourself and try to change yourself to be a better person, because it's just depends on you.
Sorry for that comment above with grammatical mistakes....
Sorry for that comment above with grammatical mistakes. I'm brazilian and I'm learning English.
@Davos I disagree. I think the man and the women represent aspects of society that the narrator objects to as being harmful. The man is focused on numbers and possibly money and economics and drones on and on about them, explaining everything in those dehumanizing terms, comparing what he's saying to the boring, inhuman, insessant buzzing of a refrigerator or static of a detuned radio. The short haired women is like a fascist, maybe trying to control people to get them to conform to a certain ideology, suppressing who they really are and denying freedom of expression. I think of...
@Davos I disagree. I think the man and the women represent aspects of society that the narrator objects to as being harmful. The man is focused on numbers and possibly money and economics and drones on and on about them, explaining everything in those dehumanizing terms, comparing what he's saying to the boring, inhuman, insessant buzzing of a refrigerator or static of a detuned radio. The short haired women is like a fascist, maybe trying to control people to get them to conform to a certain ideology, suppressing who they really are and denying freedom of expression. I think of her as some kind of propagandist. They crash her party by openly refusing to conform. The narrator recognizes that there's not much he can do and is essentially powerless to stop them, so he hopes that karma ultimately gets them. But he starts to feel it's hopeless. He complains that he's doing all he can to resist, but he feels he has no choice but to give in and go along with them in order to survive--i.e., he's given all he can, but he's still on the payroll. He recovers from this moment of doubt and determines to continue to resist-- "phew, for a minute there, I lost myself."
Karma Police/Arrest this man/He talks in maths/He buzzes like a fridge/ He’s like a detuned radio. This is the first stanza in Karma Police. From this Stanza, we can hear that the song is being sung from the point of a narrator, who is requesting the “Karma Police” to arrest someone. So what is Karma?
Karma is a concept developed in ancient India whereby a full cycle of cause and effect takes place. It means that an action that one takes, whether it’s positive or negative, will eventually come back to the person who carried out the action and the effect of it as well. So good actions will give the person who carried out the action a positive consequence, and if someone was to carry out a negative or bad action, then they would receive a negative consequence. In simple terms, what goes around comes around. Because there is obviously no such thing as the karma police, the use of the term “Karma Police” is used metaphorically as bad karma, or negative consequences.
We can then see that the lyric “Karma Police, Arrest this man” is a cry from the narrator, claiming that negative consequences should be delivered to this ‘man’, because in the narrators’ eyes, this man has done something wrong, and therefore deserves the negative consequence. The next lines of the song show the use of similes, “He talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge, He’s like a detuned radio” The listener of the song can then deduce that the narrator wants the “Karma Police” or a negative consequence to act on this man for apparently doing nothing at all. The lyric “He buzzes like a fridge” refers to how the narrator can’t understand him, and he carries on and on. It is clear that the narrator hates the sound of his voice because “He’s like a detuned radio”. It is as if the narrator is dobbing in the man to the Karma Police.
The second stanza re-enforces the first stanza, and shows clear repetition in the first two lines, only replacing “Arrest this man” with “Arrest this girl”. The lines “Her Hitler hairdo is making me feel ill, and we have crashed her party” again show the narrators intolerance to people who are different to himself. It appears that the narrator doesn’t like the hairstyle of a young lady, and in his eyes, is a bad person. The Narrator has judged both the man and woman on small aspects of their personality which are no way crimes, but still wishes bad karma, or the “Karma Police” to act on them. By saying “And we have crashed her party”, the narrator is saying that the Karma Police, or negative karma will act upon not only the young girl and the young man, but all people that the narrator judges and despises, thereby upsetting them, and “crashing their party”. The man and the girl mentioned are representing the people the narrator has intolerance towards.
The chorus of the song then kicks in.
This is what you’ll get/this is what you’ll get/this is what you’ll get/when you mess with us. Here is a very obvious use of repetition of the phrase “This is what you’ll get”, and the effect that this has is that it re-enforces the message that narrator is trying to convey to the listener. The chorus gives the listener the image of the Narrator being quite pleased at the expense of the group of people, in this case the man and the girl, as they have had negative consequences put on them. “When you mess with us” it is interesting that Radiohead chose to use the word “us”, this implies that the narrator is representing a group, not just himself. Perhaps the group the narrator is representing is society, as people are judged and faced with enormous prejudice for minor things, such as a difference in their personality. This marks the end of the “Action” stage for the narrator. The action stage is the part of the song where the narrator is judging people, and making the requests to the karma police. Again in the next stanza, it starts off by repeating the phrase and title “Karma Police”, as if the narrator is addressing the karma police, constantly requesting things from them, and this is repeated throughout the first three stanzas.
The next stanza shows the narrator almost complaining to the karma police. “I’ve given all I can, it’s not enough, I’ve given all I can but we’re still on the payroll”. The narrator himself may be receiving bad karma, negative consequences, but this is confusing him because he has gone to all the lengths he can by having the Karma Police arrest the people that his values conflict with. “But we’re still on the payroll”, again the use of “we’re” instead of “I’m” implies that the narrator is representing the group. In this stanza there is even more repetition, possibly re-enforcing the narrators frustration as he himself receives negative karma from the karma police, even though he has helped them by dobbing in the people he thinks should be arrested by them. This is why this stanza is the second stage to the song, the confusion or frustration stage.
Then the music changes key, and the tone and mood of the song does as well. The next stanza goes: “For a minute there/I lost myself, I lost myself/Phew for a minute there/I lost myself, I lost myself.” The song now enters the third and final realization stage. This shows that the narrator has realized what he has been doing, and that for a minute, he had lost his own character whilst judging others. The narrator realized that judging people on aspects of their personality is an action that is deserving of bad karma itself, and explains why he was still on the karma polices payroll earlier. This stanza is repeated until the song finishes. The narrator was blinded by his hate and intolerance for the other types of people he became the very thing that he was requesting the karma police to bring down. As mentioned before, the narrator represents a group, and that group could very well be society. Overall the song could be about how society judges people on insignificant in non-incriminating things such as their physical appearance and their personality. Society wishes that these people have negative consequences placed on them. However towards the end of the song, with the key change and tone change, society realized that they themselves are the very thing that they were complaining about and it is themselves who have the personality defects, which is why they were to receive “bad karma”. The overall message is the song then is that in judging people for small things such as personality differences, it is you yourself who is the one who deserves of negative consequences.
Wow. You are very intelligent and I like you're interpretation...good work! =D
Wow. You are very intelligent and I like you're interpretation...good work! =D
Very good. I was thinking about the words "This is what you'll get When you mess with us". I think they are like demonstrating their power here. When the mentioned society think not just about serving for someone or something but misuse the power of karma police. So it's not like they're only making bad judgements but boasting the power.
Very good. I was thinking about the words "This is what you'll get When you mess with us". I think they are like demonstrating their power here. When the mentioned society think not just about serving for someone or something but misuse the power of karma police. So it's not like they're only making bad judgements but boasting the power.
Yes, it's good, but I think you've missed the most important point, probably, in the ambivalent ending. Personally I would say it is not so ambivalent , but ends in a completely different way to how the post interpretation suggests. And that the possibility of ambivalence is there as a trap which, it is known, can be missed, but by the full, important, real meaning of the song, ought to be seen, properly. I suggest you consider the opening stanzas and whole song quite like the fatalism of Greek tragedy - it just is. This means reckoning that the phrases...
Yes, it's good, but I think you've missed the most important point, probably, in the ambivalent ending. Personally I would say it is not so ambivalent , but ends in a completely different way to how the post interpretation suggests. And that the possibility of ambivalence is there as a trap which, it is known, can be missed, but by the full, important, real meaning of the song, ought to be seen, properly. I suggest you consider the opening stanzas and whole song quite like the fatalism of Greek tragedy - it just is. This means reckoning that the phrases of the early part don't differ in character, in one sense, from the phrases towards the end of the song.
The first stanzas, I agree with what you say here. There are hateful persons in a group, or one person who represents a group, but who can't contain their hate and will something bad to happen to people who the narrator is simply annoyed by or jealous of. Their is irony is the paradox that it is the narrator who doesn't understand the uniqueness of those who don't fit in, but he is willing harm to those whom make him feel uncomfortable, but pretending it is karma they deserve. The people don't fit in to the mind of the narrator (but more importantly, it seems, his group - all those who are 'with' him - those who do whatever is required, whenever required, to 'fit in'). The thing here is to wonder if the narrator knows what he is stating is wrong. Is he just vexed and deceiving himself, or are these lines of the song just the usual lines used, his typical tools for his typical achievements?
When you realise he is in a group of like minded beings, you can't really conclude they don't know what it means to think and act how they do. Are they like minded, using the 'us' term simply because they are consistently and honestly people who make genuine mistakes about people and life, people who don't intend to harm? Is it a support group for the thought and act equivalent of tourrettes disease sufferers? No, that's ridiculoua, so it becomes clear this song has a very serious message.
What's more about realising that the opening stanzas are just words - typically deployed tools of hate, of making the world an oppositional place of falseness, a demonic thing - is then to assess what is meant later?
This is the suggestion of ambivalence. The suggestion that someone (in a group of those who hate and fit in together and who call their anti-marshalls against those who don't fit in, lying, pretending that they are wreaking bad karma against themselves) has seen the light and realised his wrongness can be taken. But, if you look at the song as dead words, with soul dead, demonic people who intend to live by whatever demonic 'pleasure' fix takes them, the later stanzas can be seen as exactly the same as the earlier ones - simply words to choose, tools to use as appropriate at any time for a desired effect. Whether these be for to slither out of punishment and avoid a clear, certain kind of recorded, public reputation, or just to speak at certain times to create a false image, trying on the form of the 'honest jacket' for looks and character sustenance, they are simply like meaningless scrabble letters to choose.
The point of the song, then, is to illuminate this context which uses the possibility of ambivalence, in the possibility of honesty. It's a context which the bad man will pick up and use, words to be employes, without doubt, maybe often. It is the context when the bad man of the bad group, the Illuminati president perhaps, or the girl living subtly, unknown, protecting the status and potency of the criminal damage ring - feigns the natural human being.
Perhaps "Karma Police" was intended to also highlight the possibility of eventual redemption, in eventual epiphany, within the ambivalence in the latter part of the song. I think, with a further u turn, it suggests a future where one or any one of the 'us' group, the demonic social controllers, a Mafia who rule really breathes truth in his or her lungs once more, in a distant future.
@Davos I agree with you. In the last part of the music, the narrator goes "I lost myself" and emphasizes "Me, myself and I" instead "us or we", so I think that there isn't no one business to be worried, complain about and judging about others' personalities and appearence and also you do need to watch out you because, unfortunately, the society is acostumed to judge. First, look to yourself and try to change yourself to be a better person, because it's just depends on you.
@Davos I agree with you. In the last part of the music, the narrator goes "I lost myself" and emphasizes "Me, myself and I" instead "us or we", so I think that there isn't no one business to be worried, complain about and judging about others' personalities and appearence and also you do need to watch out you because, unfortunately, the society is acostumed to judge. First, look to yourself and try to change yourself to be a better person, because it's just depends on you.
Sorry for that comment above with grammatical mistakes....
Sorry for that comment above with grammatical mistakes. I'm brazilian and I'm learning English.
Thanks.
@Davos In response to le cochon1....wow, dude. That is an impressive amount of babble you've typed up.
@Davos In response to le cochon1....wow, dude. That is an impressive amount of babble you've typed up.
@Davos the song is making fun of westerners who use the term karma in all the wrong ways. It's ridiculous. I got the meaning immediately.
@Davos the song is making fun of westerners who use the term karma in all the wrong ways. It's ridiculous. I got the meaning immediately.
@Davos This was so beautifully explained
@Davos This was so beautifully explained
@Davos Well put. It reminded me that my perception is my reality.
@Davos Well put. It reminded me that my perception is my reality.
@Davos I disagree. I think the man and the women represent aspects of society that the narrator objects to as being harmful. The man is focused on numbers and possibly money and economics and drones on and on about them, explaining everything in those dehumanizing terms, comparing what he's saying to the boring, inhuman, insessant buzzing of a refrigerator or static of a detuned radio. The short haired women is like a fascist, maybe trying to control people to get them to conform to a certain ideology, suppressing who they really are and denying freedom of expression. I think of...
@Davos I disagree. I think the man and the women represent aspects of society that the narrator objects to as being harmful. The man is focused on numbers and possibly money and economics and drones on and on about them, explaining everything in those dehumanizing terms, comparing what he's saying to the boring, inhuman, insessant buzzing of a refrigerator or static of a detuned radio. The short haired women is like a fascist, maybe trying to control people to get them to conform to a certain ideology, suppressing who they really are and denying freedom of expression. I think of her as some kind of propagandist. They crash her party by openly refusing to conform. The narrator recognizes that there's not much he can do and is essentially powerless to stop them, so he hopes that karma ultimately gets them. But he starts to feel it's hopeless. He complains that he's doing all he can to resist, but he feels he has no choice but to give in and go along with them in order to survive--i.e., he's given all he can, but he's still on the payroll. He recovers from this moment of doubt and determines to continue to resist-- "phew, for a minute there, I lost myself."
@Davos Nice .. 💜
@Davos Nice .. 💜
@Davos i aint reading allat
@Davos i aint reading allat