Definitely an anti religious song, but Singdongdingdong went WAY too far...interjecting his/her atheistic opinion into the lyrics. Your bias is unbelieveable. You gave more of a speech on YOUR feelings on faith rather than an interpretation of what the artist created. Perhaps you shoudn't have tried your hand at analyzing after watching such a television show. A "theocracy" is not run by 'like god'; rather God. With your next breath you show your bias and thus discredit yourself: "so we are just some fantasy." You just lost any credibilty with regard to objectivity that you may have had (MAY:) Then you state that because we are not "holy," we cannot be created by God. Haven't read the Bible much I see. We are His fallible children, and I have a feeling you do know the meaning of the word 'fallible." We aren't supposed to be holy! We're so blinded by religion that we're just plain ignorant, you say. So only the religious are ignorant. Wow, so much for tolerance and objectivity:) Funny, but I've met some awfully ignorant atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. Hmmmmm...I like being "blinded" by my faith yet I fight no wars and I've killed no one. Geesh, believe in abortion as an Atheist? So you've killed or supported killing and yet you are not a person of faith? Hmmmmm again. Nope, not wasting our time if we truly believe in God and try to live the best life possible...forgiving others; feeding and clothing the poor; providing shelter to needy families; visiting the elderly and infirmed in nursing homes; etc etc etc. How quickly the Atheist (not all) forget all the good that those of faith do BECAUSE of their belief in that mythical god you ridicule. Do me a favor and open any phone book to see a listing of all the atheistic groups doing volunteer work in the community:) Well, you got one thing correct. We do all end. For your sake I hope there is no God. How 'bout next time you keep your ugly bias to yourself.
"Definitely an anti religious song, but Singdongdingdong went WAY too far...interjecting his/her atheistic opinion into the lyrics. Your bias is unbelievable."
"Definitely an anti religious song, but Singdongdingdong went WAY too far...interjecting his/her atheistic opinion into the lyrics. Your bias is unbelievable."
Understandably I may be biased and am interjecting my own views on life into my interpretation of the lyrics, as is pretty given with most personal interpretations. I wouldn't go so far as to say my bias is "unbelievable", taking an anti-religious song and reading what I see as anti-religious statements and metaphors seems pretty straightforward.
Understandably I may be biased and am interjecting my own views on life into my interpretation of the lyrics, as is pretty given with most personal interpretations. I wouldn't go so far as to say my bias is "unbelievable", taking an anti-religious song and reading what I see as anti-religious statements and metaphors seems pretty straightforward.
"You gave more of a speech on YOUR feelings on faith rather than an interpretation of what...
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"You gave more of a speech on YOUR feelings on faith rather than an interpretation of what the artist created. Perhaps you shoudn't have tried your hand at analyzing after watching such a television show."
That's true, but mind you that lyrics don't need to have one-sided rigid meanings that mean the same thing to everyone. A clear-cut and simple lyric can mean a lot of different things to different people with a different background and a different states of mind, whereas a vague lyric opens up a whole realm of possible interpretations. My interpretation is but one of the many that are possible. Serj himself states frequently that he prefers to have his lyrics open to personal interpretation.
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"A "theocracy" is not run by 'like god'; rather God."
You are wrong. The greek word "theos" means a deity or a god, and is not specific to YHWH, the Judeo-Christian god who is generally referred to as "God". Therefore, the word theocracy means "a government run by a deity", not "run by the Judeo-Christian god".
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"With your next breath you show your bias and thus discredit yourself: "so we are just some fantasy." You just lost any credibilty with regard to objectivity that you may have had (MAY:) Then you state that because we are not "holy," we cannot be created by God. Haven't read the Bible much I see. We are His fallible children, and I have a feeling you do know the meaning of the word 'fallible." We aren't supposed to be holy!"
Ironically, I could say the same thing about your biases in this statement. I was clearly not aiming for objectivity so it's hard to say I have lost any credibility, but if you were aiming for objectivity yourself, then you've thrown that out of the window. Ignoring that, as it is irrelevant to the interpretation, I'll explain more closely what I meant by this part.
If we believe we were created by God, we're really believing in nothing more than a fantasy. We have our hero and nemesis, our beginning, middle and end. We have pure good and pure evil alongside absolute moral truths. Our conception of the world is based on a bronze age fantasy book and he only thing holding this conception together is our suspension of disbelief, because the story is not factual and contradicts what is actually true. It is not true, it is a fantasy. If we are nothing more than characters in a fantasy novel, we are a fantasy.
You criticize my interpretation of "we are far from holy", because according the Bible humanity is fallible. I don't deny that, but holy here doesn't have to mean that humanity is infallible, just that there is no infallible being responsible for our creation. There is no holy creator behind our existance. Nothing we do is holy - holy is just a made up idea based on the assumption of there being a god. The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing holy about anything, hence "we are far from holy".
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"We're so blinded by religion that we're just plain ignorant, you say. So only the religious are ignorant. Wow, so much for tolerance and objectivity:) Funny, but I've met some awfully ignorant atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists."
You misconstrued what I said again. Clearly not only the religous are ignorant; most people are ignorant about most things. To name a few things we have political ideologies, personal bigotry such as racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. Religious ignorance is but one type of ignorance, but I'd argue that it's one of the worst type of ignorance. When reality comes knocking on your door, sometimes you have to let go of your cherished fantasies. The problem with religious ignorance is that there's no reality check, hence I connect this lyric with "Creation vs. Evolution". The scientific method has conclusively shown us that the creation myth as written in the Bible is empirically false, while mountains over mountains of evidence have been discovered that all support the theory of evolution. Reality has shown us what is true and what is false. Along comes religious ignorance; truth is ignored to sustain fantasy.
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"Hmmmmm...I like being "blinded" by my faith yet I fight no wars and I've killed no one. Geesh, believe in abortion as an Atheist? So you've killed or supported killing and yet you are not a person of faith? Hmmmmm again. Nope, not wasting our time if we truly believe in God and try to live the best life possible...forgiving others; feeding and clothing the poor; providing shelter to needy families; visiting the elderly and infirmed in nursing homes; etc etc etc. How quickly the Atheist (not all) forget all the good that those of faith do BECAUSE of their belief in that mythical god you ridicule. Do me a favor and open any phone book to see a listing of all the atheistic groups doing volunteer work in the community:) Well, you got one thing correct. We do all end. For your sake I hope there is no God. How 'bout next time you keep your ugly bias to yourself."
What you said here is completely irrelevant to the lyric and my interpretation of it and is really just a rant about how much you misunderstand and/or hate atheism. You start off with an anecdote: "I haven't killed anyone, therefore blind faith has never been used to justify wars". This is a logical blunder. Then you bring in a distinct moral debate (abortion), somehow manage to compare it with war, and use your own personal bias to try to make a point about the morality of a atheists. This is another logical blunder. Then you resort to more anecdotes to try to make another moral point about the religious vs. non-religious. This is yet another logical blunder and has been refuted by people more reasonable than myself. What you said here is really just your own prejudice against atheism speaking, so I'm very amused by your closing statement of keeping my bias to myself.
Definitely an anti religious song, but Singdongdingdong went WAY too far...interjecting his/her atheistic opinion into the lyrics. Your bias is unbelieveable. You gave more of a speech on YOUR feelings on faith rather than an interpretation of what the artist created. Perhaps you shoudn't have tried your hand at analyzing after watching such a television show. A "theocracy" is not run by 'like god'; rather God. With your next breath you show your bias and thus discredit yourself: "so we are just some fantasy." You just lost any credibilty with regard to objectivity that you may have had (MAY:) Then you state that because we are not "holy," we cannot be created by God. Haven't read the Bible much I see. We are His fallible children, and I have a feeling you do know the meaning of the word 'fallible." We aren't supposed to be holy! We're so blinded by religion that we're just plain ignorant, you say. So only the religious are ignorant. Wow, so much for tolerance and objectivity:) Funny, but I've met some awfully ignorant atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. Hmmmmm...I like being "blinded" by my faith yet I fight no wars and I've killed no one. Geesh, believe in abortion as an Atheist? So you've killed or supported killing and yet you are not a person of faith? Hmmmmm again. Nope, not wasting our time if we truly believe in God and try to live the best life possible...forgiving others; feeding and clothing the poor; providing shelter to needy families; visiting the elderly and infirmed in nursing homes; etc etc etc. How quickly the Atheist (not all) forget all the good that those of faith do BECAUSE of their belief in that mythical god you ridicule. Do me a favor and open any phone book to see a listing of all the atheistic groups doing volunteer work in the community:) Well, you got one thing correct. We do all end. For your sake I hope there is no God. How 'bout next time you keep your ugly bias to yourself.
"Definitely an anti religious song, but Singdongdingdong went WAY too far...interjecting his/her atheistic opinion into the lyrics. Your bias is unbelievable."
"Definitely an anti religious song, but Singdongdingdong went WAY too far...interjecting his/her atheistic opinion into the lyrics. Your bias is unbelievable."
Understandably I may be biased and am interjecting my own views on life into my interpretation of the lyrics, as is pretty given with most personal interpretations. I wouldn't go so far as to say my bias is "unbelievable", taking an anti-religious song and reading what I see as anti-religious statements and metaphors seems pretty straightforward.
Understandably I may be biased and am interjecting my own views on life into my interpretation of the lyrics, as is pretty given with most personal interpretations. I wouldn't go so far as to say my bias is "unbelievable", taking an anti-religious song and reading what I see as anti-religious statements and metaphors seems pretty straightforward.
"You gave more of a speech on YOUR feelings on faith rather than an interpretation of what...
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"You gave more of a speech on YOUR feelings on faith rather than an interpretation of what the artist created. Perhaps you shoudn't have tried your hand at analyzing after watching such a television show."
That's true, but mind you that lyrics don't need to have one-sided rigid meanings that mean the same thing to everyone. A clear-cut and simple lyric can mean a lot of different things to different people with a different background and a different states of mind, whereas a vague lyric opens up a whole realm of possible interpretations. My interpretation is but one of the many that are possible. Serj himself states frequently that he prefers to have his lyrics open to personal interpretation.
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"A "theocracy" is not run by 'like god'; rather God."
You are wrong. The greek word "theos" means a deity or a god, and is not specific to YHWH, the Judeo-Christian god who is generally referred to as "God". Therefore, the word theocracy means "a government run by a deity", not "run by the Judeo-Christian god".
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"With your next breath you show your bias and thus discredit yourself: "so we are just some fantasy." You just lost any credibilty with regard to objectivity that you may have had (MAY:) Then you state that because we are not "holy," we cannot be created by God. Haven't read the Bible much I see. We are His fallible children, and I have a feeling you do know the meaning of the word 'fallible." We aren't supposed to be holy!"
Ironically, I could say the same thing about your biases in this statement. I was clearly not aiming for objectivity so it's hard to say I have lost any credibility, but if you were aiming for objectivity yourself, then you've thrown that out of the window. Ignoring that, as it is irrelevant to the interpretation, I'll explain more closely what I meant by this part.
If we believe we were created by God, we're really believing in nothing more than a fantasy. We have our hero and nemesis, our beginning, middle and end. We have pure good and pure evil alongside absolute moral truths. Our conception of the world is based on a bronze age fantasy book and he only thing holding this conception together is our suspension of disbelief, because the story is not factual and contradicts what is actually true. It is not true, it is a fantasy. If we are nothing more than characters in a fantasy novel, we are a fantasy.
You criticize my interpretation of "we are far from holy", because according the Bible humanity is fallible. I don't deny that, but holy here doesn't have to mean that humanity is infallible, just that there is no infallible being responsible for our creation. There is no holy creator behind our existance. Nothing we do is holy - holy is just a made up idea based on the assumption of there being a god. The way I see it, there is absolutely nothing holy about anything, hence "we are far from holy".
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"We're so blinded by religion that we're just plain ignorant, you say. So only the religious are ignorant. Wow, so much for tolerance and objectivity:) Funny, but I've met some awfully ignorant atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists."
You misconstrued what I said again. Clearly not only the religous are ignorant; most people are ignorant about most things. To name a few things we have political ideologies, personal bigotry such as racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. Religious ignorance is but one type of ignorance, but I'd argue that it's one of the worst type of ignorance. When reality comes knocking on your door, sometimes you have to let go of your cherished fantasies. The problem with religious ignorance is that there's no reality check, hence I connect this lyric with "Creation vs. Evolution". The scientific method has conclusively shown us that the creation myth as written in the Bible is empirically false, while mountains over mountains of evidence have been discovered that all support the theory of evolution. Reality has shown us what is true and what is false. Along comes religious ignorance; truth is ignored to sustain fantasy.
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"Hmmmmm...I like being "blinded" by my faith yet I fight no wars and I've killed no one. Geesh, believe in abortion as an Atheist? So you've killed or supported killing and yet you are not a person of faith? Hmmmmm again. Nope, not wasting our time if we truly believe in God and try to live the best life possible...forgiving others; feeding and clothing the poor; providing shelter to needy families; visiting the elderly and infirmed in nursing homes; etc etc etc. How quickly the Atheist (not all) forget all the good that those of faith do BECAUSE of their belief in that mythical god you ridicule. Do me a favor and open any phone book to see a listing of all the atheistic groups doing volunteer work in the community:) Well, you got one thing correct. We do all end. For your sake I hope there is no God. How 'bout next time you keep your ugly bias to yourself."
What you said here is completely irrelevant to the lyric and my interpretation of it and is really just a rant about how much you misunderstand and/or hate atheism. You start off with an anecdote: "I haven't killed anyone, therefore blind faith has never been used to justify wars". This is a logical blunder. Then you bring in a distinct moral debate (abortion), somehow manage to compare it with war, and use your own personal bias to try to make a point about the morality of a atheists. This is another logical blunder. Then you resort to more anecdotes to try to make another moral point about the religious vs. non-religious. This is yet another logical blunder and has been refuted by people more reasonable than myself. What you said here is really just your own prejudice against atheism speaking, so I'm very amused by your closing statement of keeping my bias to myself.