Perhaps it's wrong to color a person's perception about lyrics like this and it robs them of the experience of understanding what it's about. On the other hand, judging from the number of posts for DIMD and the nature of the subject matter, someone might as well do it.
I think the meaning behind unDeveloped lies between the external ideas and the individual thinking them.
Stimulant psychosis? But also socialization. Puts forth the image of a newborn being socialized to this world, but also someone who is coming out of a psych ward, for what I believe would be stimulant psychosis.
Then again, you get the feeling that these are sort of metaphors for a person who is beginning to see the world as it really is. Like they're coming down from the socialization and lies that one may be exposed to from the very beginning.
So a person who re-dosed too many times or whatever is experiencing psychosis. They get thrown in a padded room and now the drugs are wearing off and the temporary psychosis is fading as they walk out of the hospital and see the sun.
One could view that padded room as the false reality that people perceive on a daily basis. Essentially sane in an insane society type of deal. White room allies? People who you think are looking out for you but really they aren't? Or just false notions of the world.
I'm not quite sure why "waiting" would become a concern or "solicitude" now that such a change has taken place though and why it wouldn't have been before. Perhaps once you perceive the truth about the world you would become more concerned about change occurring because you better understand the situation? And so you're concerned about waiting for some sort of positive change to take place or other people to "wake up" for that matter.
And the world and our species are like an undeveloped polaroid picture. But mainly humanity, psychologically undeveloped.
Few lyrics I'm not sure on. Amber synonymous with yellow...cowardly promise? Wrap up rhyme? Artificial. Throw the curve?
My best guess is that it might vaguely describe diversions in our society that discourage people from any sort of truth allowing them to view the world from a more developed perspective? Not sure though.
I guess "loosing your mind" could be becoming the insane person in an insane society (making you sane overall) type of thing. And it's asking when the listener is going to join the person who has seen a deeper layer of reality. It's inviting the listener to come join in.
The part beginning with "undecided" I think may describe the person who hasn't lost their mind yet, so to speak. They're undecided, their choices all lies maybe. They aren't sure the world is as bad is maybe some would paint it to be? And their choice lies in something.
The darker aspects of reality they've hidden because they're too painful? Or something...but they've been lost in time. Or an analogy of kids who may have been angry at the world at a young age but they lost that edge in time. Now they're under curfew, repressive ties. The word "curfew" makes one think of rebellious teenagers. And once again, asking when this individual is going to get rid of all the falsity and lose their mind. Maybe they'll find a previous version of their self. But yea, it makes you think of like teenage goth kids who had a certain attitude toward the world but are now marginalized "regular" members of society, if you will. Young people who lost their darker aspects in time.
But also it could refer to the author himself, though I think it's less likely.
And so the seeds to see the truth of a deeper reality had been sewn but they were denied. But was it this author who planted these seeds? And maybe some people understand music best as being a marker for certain times in their life. Not so much paying attention to the lyrics or the message but just as a sing along to mark an era of their life.
Not sure about the "Hack no laughing rhymes." But I like to think of it as jokingly calling himself a hack for maybe being too serious in the past or something along those lines. But I'm really not too sure and it's kind of hard to even know if that's the correct lyric.
But like maybe his message was marginalized a bit because he was looked at as some goth hack? And because the music was viewed as being so dark and gloomy people saw it as just some depressed person being overly angsty or just another shocking performer trying to make a buck. At least these people who didn't get the message viewed it like that. That's the surface view.
Just imagine the people who listened to Skinny Puppy, etc in the early days and now are all grown up with kids or something and they like sell cars for a living or something to that effect. And all the messages from those earlier days seem to have evaporated under the idea that it was just like a phase, or a certain time period they went through. And they haven't listened to the music in years, or if they have it's to remind them of what they were going through during that era of their life.
But the messages from that music didn't take, they didn't register with the person enough for them to be inspired to do something with those feelings (something positive of course).
Anyways, then the advice to take some time to look around this "pile" as in our world.
And in doing so, perhaps wake up from the dream created by your eyes. As in the visible reality is some sort of shade or false construct. Seize the existence that is rapidly drying up before you and maybe become less passive.
Open up your insides and look around, or I guess advice to be more introspective. And continuing to implore the listener to "crash" in other words come off the "drug" of a less accurate reality and crash like someone whose been re-dosing for days on end with no sleep, food, etc. Essentially, more encouragement for the listener to wake up from this dream.
There may also be a part of this track that examines the fact that people are deathly afraid of experiencing this more accurate version of reality because it may be very scary to them and very frightening. And so you get the lyric "laugh and cry." Maybe suggesting that it's acceptable to feel these emotions or something along those lines.
Another thing is that this track may be self-referential. The parts that I mention as referencing other people could be just referencing the author.
You can definitely view it as being a person talking to the past version of their self (or even a current or recent version) in the same way I thought of it as talking to another person. Instead of asking another person to "wake up" he's asking himself to change thinking patterns and maybe even criticizing past actions or at least seeing the flaws in them or something to that effect.
It goes to one of the larger themes of unDeveloped, that is being able to accept the way things are while simultaneously kind of feeling how terrible they are and sort of moving past it. Or at least somehow being OK with the mess and being able to "laugh and cry" about it instead of letting it tear you up so violently.
So you could also reinterpret the "who you'll find, lose your mind" lyric as wondering what kind of person the author will find when they "comedown" from this inability to accept the way things are. And so a change will take place turning him into a new person. And so on and so forth...
And the author wants these people who are still living in a false world to "crash and die." With crash probably having a similar meaning to what it did in song of the same title. Whereby these people need to kill off the part of their self that is still living in such a mind state.
There's also the whole groupie idea I think possibly. Like chicks who want to get with the "rock star." The author wondering when people are going to "Comedown" to where he is and blow his mind, as opposed to something else. As "blow his mind" intellectually or creatively.
The polaroid picture also references the past, like in the early days of Skinny Puppy I guess, not sure when those cameras were used. Amber promise? Again maybe like some cowardly promise from a fan, not sure. Maybe I'm not interpreting the Amber thing right. But anyways the author's rhymes wrap up how these people feel, but it's artificial because they don't really understand it.
I just imagine like some fan or some radio interviewer offering to "Comedown there and blow his mind." Or some shit like that and though it's fair that they're taking it in a different context and making a joke, it's that type of person I guess.
And you sometimes hear people say that so and so "threw me a curve ball." The author is perhaps asking people to throw him a curve ball and to be less stagnant, I don't know. Maybe I'm going too far with the sort of fan analogy.
Not too far, DrGarlic! These lyrics are slippery, ambiguous, difficult to make sense of--which puts the interpreter into the position of someone "stepping out behind the white room allies / wincing from the sun now forcing open eyes": What is seen is fragmented, can't be easily contextualized.
Not too far, DrGarlic! These lyrics are slippery, ambiguous, difficult to make sense of--which puts the interpreter into the position of someone "stepping out behind the white room allies / wincing from the sun now forcing open eyes": What is seen is fragmented, can't be easily contextualized.
I also get the sense that there are two people--the difference in syntax suggests this, the first lines nodding toward complete sentences, followed by a string of blunt nouns, adjectives, and phrases. One person seems to be assaulted by the bright light; the other issues a challenge: "Come down here (further out...
I also get the sense that there are two people--the difference in syntax suggests this, the first lines nodding toward complete sentences, followed by a string of blunt nouns, adjectives, and phrases. One person seems to be assaulted by the bright light; the other issues a challenge: "Come down here (further out of the cave, into the bright light [of knowledge] that hurts you) and blow my mind." In that sense, "Wonder exactly / who you'll find / when you lose your mind" denotes a good thing, "your mind" referring to something tamed, opiated, or socially-constructed towards passivity or non-critical-thinking. I'm sure I'm just paraphrasing you, DrGarlic. :-)
Come to think of it, though, there may be just one speaker empathizing with the person coming out of the cave. A demonstration, as it were, of what people don't generally do: empathize, especially with those in rough situations. People are more inclined to prescribe remedies (and doesn't it seem as though these remedies fall into dichotomies? Give 'em welfare, or cut off the flow of welfare fertilizer. Take away the guns, or relax gun control laws).
Overall, the song makes me think of the idea that people don't "fight back" (i.e., enact a solution) unless a situation becomes "bad enough." At the same time, bad situations are an impetus for burying one's head in the sand, for building up a callus. The song doesn't sound entirely hopeful.
Perhaps it's wrong to color a person's perception about lyrics like this and it robs them of the experience of understanding what it's about. On the other hand, judging from the number of posts for DIMD and the nature of the subject matter, someone might as well do it.
I think the meaning behind unDeveloped lies between the external ideas and the individual thinking them.
Stimulant psychosis? But also socialization. Puts forth the image of a newborn being socialized to this world, but also someone who is coming out of a psych ward, for what I believe would be stimulant psychosis.
Then again, you get the feeling that these are sort of metaphors for a person who is beginning to see the world as it really is. Like they're coming down from the socialization and lies that one may be exposed to from the very beginning.
So a person who re-dosed too many times or whatever is experiencing psychosis. They get thrown in a padded room and now the drugs are wearing off and the temporary psychosis is fading as they walk out of the hospital and see the sun.
One could view that padded room as the false reality that people perceive on a daily basis. Essentially sane in an insane society type of deal. White room allies? People who you think are looking out for you but really they aren't? Or just false notions of the world.
I'm not quite sure why "waiting" would become a concern or "solicitude" now that such a change has taken place though and why it wouldn't have been before. Perhaps once you perceive the truth about the world you would become more concerned about change occurring because you better understand the situation? And so you're concerned about waiting for some sort of positive change to take place or other people to "wake up" for that matter.
And the world and our species are like an undeveloped polaroid picture. But mainly humanity, psychologically undeveloped.
Few lyrics I'm not sure on. Amber synonymous with yellow...cowardly promise? Wrap up rhyme? Artificial. Throw the curve?
My best guess is that it might vaguely describe diversions in our society that discourage people from any sort of truth allowing them to view the world from a more developed perspective? Not sure though.
I guess "loosing your mind" could be becoming the insane person in an insane society (making you sane overall) type of thing. And it's asking when the listener is going to join the person who has seen a deeper layer of reality. It's inviting the listener to come join in.
The part beginning with "undecided" I think may describe the person who hasn't lost their mind yet, so to speak. They're undecided, their choices all lies maybe. They aren't sure the world is as bad is maybe some would paint it to be? And their choice lies in something.
The darker aspects of reality they've hidden because they're too painful? Or something...but they've been lost in time. Or an analogy of kids who may have been angry at the world at a young age but they lost that edge in time. Now they're under curfew, repressive ties. The word "curfew" makes one think of rebellious teenagers. And once again, asking when this individual is going to get rid of all the falsity and lose their mind. Maybe they'll find a previous version of their self. But yea, it makes you think of like teenage goth kids who had a certain attitude toward the world but are now marginalized "regular" members of society, if you will. Young people who lost their darker aspects in time.
But also it could refer to the author himself, though I think it's less likely.
And so the seeds to see the truth of a deeper reality had been sewn but they were denied. But was it this author who planted these seeds? And maybe some people understand music best as being a marker for certain times in their life. Not so much paying attention to the lyrics or the message but just as a sing along to mark an era of their life.
Not sure about the "Hack no laughing rhymes." But I like to think of it as jokingly calling himself a hack for maybe being too serious in the past or something along those lines. But I'm really not too sure and it's kind of hard to even know if that's the correct lyric.
But like maybe his message was marginalized a bit because he was looked at as some goth hack? And because the music was viewed as being so dark and gloomy people saw it as just some depressed person being overly angsty or just another shocking performer trying to make a buck. At least these people who didn't get the message viewed it like that. That's the surface view.
Just imagine the people who listened to Skinny Puppy, etc in the early days and now are all grown up with kids or something and they like sell cars for a living or something to that effect. And all the messages from those earlier days seem to have evaporated under the idea that it was just like a phase, or a certain time period they went through. And they haven't listened to the music in years, or if they have it's to remind them of what they were going through during that era of their life.
But the messages from that music didn't take, they didn't register with the person enough for them to be inspired to do something with those feelings (something positive of course).
Anyways, then the advice to take some time to look around this "pile" as in our world.
And in doing so, perhaps wake up from the dream created by your eyes. As in the visible reality is some sort of shade or false construct. Seize the existence that is rapidly drying up before you and maybe become less passive.
Open up your insides and look around, or I guess advice to be more introspective. And continuing to implore the listener to "crash" in other words come off the "drug" of a less accurate reality and crash like someone whose been re-dosing for days on end with no sleep, food, etc. Essentially, more encouragement for the listener to wake up from this dream.
There may also be a part of this track that examines the fact that people are deathly afraid of experiencing this more accurate version of reality because it may be very scary to them and very frightening. And so you get the lyric "laugh and cry." Maybe suggesting that it's acceptable to feel these emotions or something along those lines.
Another thing is that this track may be self-referential. The parts that I mention as referencing other people could be just referencing the author.
You can definitely view it as being a person talking to the past version of their self (or even a current or recent version) in the same way I thought of it as talking to another person. Instead of asking another person to "wake up" he's asking himself to change thinking patterns and maybe even criticizing past actions or at least seeing the flaws in them or something to that effect.
It goes to one of the larger themes of unDeveloped, that is being able to accept the way things are while simultaneously kind of feeling how terrible they are and sort of moving past it. Or at least somehow being OK with the mess and being able to "laugh and cry" about it instead of letting it tear you up so violently.
So you could also reinterpret the "who you'll find, lose your mind" lyric as wondering what kind of person the author will find when they "comedown" from this inability to accept the way things are. And so a change will take place turning him into a new person. And so on and so forth...
And the author wants these people who are still living in a false world to "crash and die." With crash probably having a similar meaning to what it did in song of the same title. Whereby these people need to kill off the part of their self that is still living in such a mind state.
There's also the whole groupie idea I think possibly. Like chicks who want to get with the "rock star." The author wondering when people are going to "Comedown" to where he is and blow his mind, as opposed to something else. As "blow his mind" intellectually or creatively.
The polaroid picture also references the past, like in the early days of Skinny Puppy I guess, not sure when those cameras were used. Amber promise? Again maybe like some cowardly promise from a fan, not sure. Maybe I'm not interpreting the Amber thing right. But anyways the author's rhymes wrap up how these people feel, but it's artificial because they don't really understand it.
I just imagine like some fan or some radio interviewer offering to "Comedown there and blow his mind." Or some shit like that and though it's fair that they're taking it in a different context and making a joke, it's that type of person I guess.
And you sometimes hear people say that so and so "threw me a curve ball." The author is perhaps asking people to throw him a curve ball and to be less stagnant, I don't know. Maybe I'm going too far with the sort of fan analogy.
Not too far, DrGarlic! These lyrics are slippery, ambiguous, difficult to make sense of--which puts the interpreter into the position of someone "stepping out behind the white room allies / wincing from the sun now forcing open eyes": What is seen is fragmented, can't be easily contextualized.
Not too far, DrGarlic! These lyrics are slippery, ambiguous, difficult to make sense of--which puts the interpreter into the position of someone "stepping out behind the white room allies / wincing from the sun now forcing open eyes": What is seen is fragmented, can't be easily contextualized.
I also get the sense that there are two people--the difference in syntax suggests this, the first lines nodding toward complete sentences, followed by a string of blunt nouns, adjectives, and phrases. One person seems to be assaulted by the bright light; the other issues a challenge: "Come down here (further out...
I also get the sense that there are two people--the difference in syntax suggests this, the first lines nodding toward complete sentences, followed by a string of blunt nouns, adjectives, and phrases. One person seems to be assaulted by the bright light; the other issues a challenge: "Come down here (further out of the cave, into the bright light [of knowledge] that hurts you) and blow my mind." In that sense, "Wonder exactly / who you'll find / when you lose your mind" denotes a good thing, "your mind" referring to something tamed, opiated, or socially-constructed towards passivity or non-critical-thinking. I'm sure I'm just paraphrasing you, DrGarlic. :-)
Come to think of it, though, there may be just one speaker empathizing with the person coming out of the cave. A demonstration, as it were, of what people don't generally do: empathize, especially with those in rough situations. People are more inclined to prescribe remedies (and doesn't it seem as though these remedies fall into dichotomies? Give 'em welfare, or cut off the flow of welfare fertilizer. Take away the guns, or relax gun control laws).
Overall, the song makes me think of the idea that people don't "fight back" (i.e., enact a solution) unless a situation becomes "bad enough." At the same time, bad situations are an impetus for burying one's head in the sand, for building up a callus. The song doesn't sound entirely hopeful.