i thought this whilst listening to it. Mainly because it's about leaving what's holding you back and looking at life in a completely new perspective. Also the feeling of setting yourself free comes across in this song, much like in plato's cave.
i thought this whilst listening to it. Mainly because it's about leaving what's holding you back and looking at life in a completely new perspective. Also the feeling of setting yourself free comes across in this song, much like in plato's cave.
Plato's allegory of the cave was the first idea that came to my mind as I heard the song.
English is not my first langage, so I had to check up the lyrics, and well, somehow I stick to the idea.
Anyhow lyrics are beautiful and cryptic in a poetic way enough to find many interesting and different meanings (to find to eat and to drink would we say in french " y trouver à boire et à manger")
Plato's allegory of the cave was the first idea that came to my mind as I heard the song.
English is not my first langage, so I had to check up the lyrics, and well, somehow I stick to the idea.
Anyhow lyrics are beautiful and cryptic in a poetic way enough to find many interesting and different meanings (to find to eat and to drink would we say in french " y trouver à boire et à manger")
DEFINITELY! except i think it's also referencing Homer's the Odyssey because there's the part about the sirens and there's a cave in that too. Cyclops's cave!!!
But "come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down" definitely reminds me of the allegory of the cave. Because when you come out of that dark cave and face reality you see the world in an entirely different way. It's confusing and crazy like walking on your hands!!
DEFINITELY! except i think it's also referencing Homer's the Odyssey because there's the part about the sirens and there's a cave in that too. Cyclops's cave!!!
But "come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down" definitely reminds me of the allegory of the cave. Because when you come out of that dark cave and face reality you see the world in an entirely different way. It's confusing and crazy like walking on your hands!!
I have to admit that Allegory of the Cave didn't enter my mind until I read this comment, but I can see how it totally makes sense. I see where people are getting how it's about a relationship, but I also totally understand this connection as well. Finally coming out of your cave into the light to experience the new.
I have to admit that Allegory of the Cave didn't enter my mind until I read this comment, but I can see how it totally makes sense. I see where people are getting how it's about a relationship, but I also totally understand this connection as well. Finally coming out of your cave into the light to experience the new.
I get the allegory of the cave, but I think there is more to it then that. St peter was crucified upside down per his request, He wanted to go out like he came in to the world, (Normal child birth the head being the opposite of the mothers), hence walking finally right side up in to your maker's land. I believe the song to be about a destruct relationship, the relationship is over and the narrativor is trying to prevent the other from offing themselves.
The subject sucked all they could from the relationship and now the...
I get the allegory of the cave, but I think there is more to it then that. St peter was crucified upside down per his request, He wanted to go out like he came in to the world, (Normal child birth the head being the opposite of the mothers), hence walking finally right side up in to your maker's land. I believe the song to be about a destruct relationship, the relationship is over and the narrativor is trying to prevent the other from offing themselves.
The subject sucked all they could from the relationship and now the narrator left, and the subject is despondent and Mt. The narrator is trying to prevent the unpreventable, but knows even after pain and tears of them offing themselves they will be better off. Both of them.
I think the cave is some imagery from the Odyssey. Odysseus is held captive in Polyphemus the cyclops' cave. The entrance is blocked by a boulder so large only Polyphemus can move it. Odysseus and his men escape by gouging out Polyphemus' eye. Each man then binds three of the cyclop's sheep together and cling to the middle sheep's underside with their legs, using their hands for support on the ground, as they pass through the cave's opening, which is gaurded by the cyclops. Polyphemus feels the top and sides of the sheep as the leave the cave but not...
I think the cave is some imagery from the Odyssey. Odysseus is held captive in Polyphemus the cyclops' cave. The entrance is blocked by a boulder so large only Polyphemus can move it. Odysseus and his men escape by gouging out Polyphemus' eye. Each man then binds three of the cyclop's sheep together and cling to the middle sheep's underside with their legs, using their hands for support on the ground, as they pass through the cave's opening, which is gaurded by the cyclops. Polyphemus feels the top and sides of the sheep as the leave the cave but not the underside, allowing the Greeks to escape, e.g. "So come out of your cave walking on your hands / And see the world hanging upside down."
Ditto siren's song/blocking ears/tying to a post stuff. Can't beat the classics for imagery. Probably the same great themes as Homer's epic work. Retuning home, overcoming adversity, defeating human failing, and resisting temptation to reach your goals. Good stuff.
It seems a good portion of their lyrics are inspired by literature - so this wouldn't exactly be a stretch.
It seems a good portion of their lyrics are inspired by literature - so this wouldn't exactly be a stretch.
"Sigh No More" - Shakespeare, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
"Roll Away Your Stone" - Shakespeare, MACBETH
"Timshel" - Steinbeck, EAST OF EDEN
"Dust Bowl Dance" - Steinbeck, GRAPES OF WRATH
"Sigh No More" - Shakespeare, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
"Roll Away Your Stone" - Shakespeare, MACBETH
"Timshel" - Steinbeck, EAST OF EDEN
"Dust Bowl Dance" - Steinbeck, GRAPES OF WRATH
I think you're right. I read somewhere that they are into Plato and a lot of their songs are inspired by his work. So I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this assumption.
I think you're right. I read somewhere that they are into Plato and a lot of their songs are inspired by his work. So I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this assumption.
Plato and all subsequent esoteric thinking is intertwined throughout the song - "re-births", ancient wisdom truths, Christianity, caves (birthzones), walking on hands like a baby in your new-found infant-like knowledge and wonder, etc. - - - doesn't make the broken relationship, stopped friend from hanging self and other interpretations any less accurate. All great literature, tending in both East and West to be Platonic, contain double/multiple entenders.
Plato and all subsequent esoteric thinking is intertwined throughout the song - "re-births", ancient wisdom truths, Christianity, caves (birthzones), walking on hands like a baby in your new-found infant-like knowledge and wonder, etc. - - - doesn't make the broken relationship, stopped friend from hanging self and other interpretations any less accurate. All great literature, tending in both East and West to be Platonic, contain double/multiple entenders.
right when i heard this song, i thought about plato's cave, and about the line "so come out of your cave walking on your hands, and see the world hanging upside down". it means to me that sometimes you think your whole life is one way, and one little thing can totally change your perspective on everything.
right when i heard this song, i thought about plato's cave, and about the line "so come out of your cave walking on your hands, and see the world hanging upside down". it means to me that sometimes you think your whole life is one way, and one little thing can totally change your perspective on everything.
This is the first thing that came to mind when i read the lyrics too. I can't really go into more detail cause audreyjane pretty much took the words outta my mouth! hahaha. AMAZING song!
This is the first thing that came to mind when i read the lyrics too. I can't really go into more detail cause audreyjane pretty much took the words outta my mouth! hahaha. AMAZING song!
So come out of your cave walking on your hands
And see the world hanging upside down
You can understand dependence
When you know the maker's land
So come out of your cave walking on your hands
And see the world hanging upside down
You can understand dependence
When you know the maker's land
reminds me of the part in plato's symposium in which the original people were physically attached to their "other halves" and they cartwheeled around instead of walking. now, because people are separated, they must find their matches.
reminds me of the part in plato's symposium in which the original people were physically attached to their "other halves" and they cartwheeled around instead of walking. now, because people are separated, they must find their matches.
The cave is the third step of odysseus's journey. It follows the "fall" of Troy and the lotas flowers. The fall of Troy is symbolic of the fall of man, the lotas flowers is the initial state of a man who has just fallen, a period of time where a man has lost all sense of himself( hence why men have been known to loose themselves forever in the flowers ie -thinking- instead of moving forward). Getting to this point is a very delicate process and college's usually spend multiple semesters getting students to this point, relatively few make it...
The cave is the third step of odysseus's journey. It follows the "fall" of Troy and the lotas flowers. The fall of Troy is symbolic of the fall of man, the lotas flowers is the initial state of a man who has just fallen, a period of time where a man has lost all sense of himself( hence why men have been known to loose themselves forever in the flowers ie -thinking- instead of moving forward). Getting to this point is a very delicate process and college's usually spend multiple semesters getting students to this point, relatively few make it and some that do make it don't get out. Ever wonder why schizophrenia usually sets in around the age of twenty... probably not but anyways. The one eyed cyclopes is the all seeing eye of God- cherubim wings meeting over the mercy seat form a pyramid shape with the eye of God in the middle like the dollar bill( I encourage you to look it up).. The individual now knows they are "naked" they realize the one eye of God is upon them, meaning they realize the life they have lived has been a controlled existence lacking volition to that point (think about it, how could they have come this far if it wasnt?) .. the individual then poses as a sheep "crawling on their hands" out of the cave to a world upside down.. "who are all these people how did i get in this body and who can i trust" they have thoughts like that and what not because they now realize that you don't no who takes part in the manipulation. I'll tell you the rest if yah care to know but im tired of typing at the moment.. I will say i acknowledge i missed some steps but they can be explained and also the sirens call after odysseus leaves circe (who wanted to make him immortal) because he chooses death (home) hence his trip to the underworld.. the sirens he recieves after are warnings which is why our artists say "I can see widows and orphans through my tears" Odysseus's main goal is his freedom. Remember Homer tells us Odysseus dies a free man.. "Cause I need freedom now" :)
Plato's Cave, anyone? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
Ah, Plato. Another possibility. I thought about this as well.
Ah, Plato. Another possibility. I thought about this as well.
i thought this whilst listening to it. Mainly because it's about leaving what's holding you back and looking at life in a completely new perspective. Also the feeling of setting yourself free comes across in this song, much like in plato's cave.
i thought this whilst listening to it. Mainly because it's about leaving what's holding you back and looking at life in a completely new perspective. Also the feeling of setting yourself free comes across in this song, much like in plato's cave.
Plato's allegory of the cave was the first idea that came to my mind as I heard the song. English is not my first langage, so I had to check up the lyrics, and well, somehow I stick to the idea. Anyhow lyrics are beautiful and cryptic in a poetic way enough to find many interesting and different meanings (to find to eat and to drink would we say in french " y trouver à boire et à manger")
Plato's allegory of the cave was the first idea that came to my mind as I heard the song. English is not my first langage, so I had to check up the lyrics, and well, somehow I stick to the idea. Anyhow lyrics are beautiful and cryptic in a poetic way enough to find many interesting and different meanings (to find to eat and to drink would we say in french " y trouver à boire et à manger")
DEFINITELY! except i think it's also referencing Homer's the Odyssey because there's the part about the sirens and there's a cave in that too. Cyclops's cave!!! But "come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down" definitely reminds me of the allegory of the cave. Because when you come out of that dark cave and face reality you see the world in an entirely different way. It's confusing and crazy like walking on your hands!!
DEFINITELY! except i think it's also referencing Homer's the Odyssey because there's the part about the sirens and there's a cave in that too. Cyclops's cave!!! But "come out of your cave walking on your hands and see the world hanging upside down" definitely reminds me of the allegory of the cave. Because when you come out of that dark cave and face reality you see the world in an entirely different way. It's confusing and crazy like walking on your hands!!
awesome song :)
awesome song :)
I have to admit that Allegory of the Cave didn't enter my mind until I read this comment, but I can see how it totally makes sense. I see where people are getting how it's about a relationship, but I also totally understand this connection as well. Finally coming out of your cave into the light to experience the new.
I have to admit that Allegory of the Cave didn't enter my mind until I read this comment, but I can see how it totally makes sense. I see where people are getting how it's about a relationship, but I also totally understand this connection as well. Finally coming out of your cave into the light to experience the new.
I get the allegory of the cave, but I think there is more to it then that. St peter was crucified upside down per his request, He wanted to go out like he came in to the world, (Normal child birth the head being the opposite of the mothers), hence walking finally right side up in to your maker's land. I believe the song to be about a destruct relationship, the relationship is over and the narrativor is trying to prevent the other from offing themselves. The subject sucked all they could from the relationship and now the...
I get the allegory of the cave, but I think there is more to it then that. St peter was crucified upside down per his request, He wanted to go out like he came in to the world, (Normal child birth the head being the opposite of the mothers), hence walking finally right side up in to your maker's land. I believe the song to be about a destruct relationship, the relationship is over and the narrativor is trying to prevent the other from offing themselves. The subject sucked all they could from the relationship and now the narrator left, and the subject is despondent and Mt. The narrator is trying to prevent the unpreventable, but knows even after pain and tears of them offing themselves they will be better off. Both of them.
I think the cave is some imagery from the Odyssey. Odysseus is held captive in Polyphemus the cyclops' cave. The entrance is blocked by a boulder so large only Polyphemus can move it. Odysseus and his men escape by gouging out Polyphemus' eye. Each man then binds three of the cyclop's sheep together and cling to the middle sheep's underside with their legs, using their hands for support on the ground, as they pass through the cave's opening, which is gaurded by the cyclops. Polyphemus feels the top and sides of the sheep as the leave the cave but not...
I think the cave is some imagery from the Odyssey. Odysseus is held captive in Polyphemus the cyclops' cave. The entrance is blocked by a boulder so large only Polyphemus can move it. Odysseus and his men escape by gouging out Polyphemus' eye. Each man then binds three of the cyclop's sheep together and cling to the middle sheep's underside with their legs, using their hands for support on the ground, as they pass through the cave's opening, which is gaurded by the cyclops. Polyphemus feels the top and sides of the sheep as the leave the cave but not the underside, allowing the Greeks to escape, e.g. "So come out of your cave walking on your hands / And see the world hanging upside down."
Ditto siren's song/blocking ears/tying to a post stuff. Can't beat the classics for imagery. Probably the same great themes as Homer's epic work. Retuning home, overcoming adversity, defeating human failing, and resisting temptation to reach your goals. Good stuff.
It seems a good portion of their lyrics are inspired by literature - so this wouldn't exactly be a stretch.
It seems a good portion of their lyrics are inspired by literature - so this wouldn't exactly be a stretch.
"Sigh No More" - Shakespeare, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING "Roll Away Your Stone" - Shakespeare, MACBETH "Timshel" - Steinbeck, EAST OF EDEN "Dust Bowl Dance" - Steinbeck, GRAPES OF WRATH
"Sigh No More" - Shakespeare, MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING "Roll Away Your Stone" - Shakespeare, MACBETH "Timshel" - Steinbeck, EAST OF EDEN "Dust Bowl Dance" - Steinbeck, GRAPES OF WRATH
"The Cave" - Plato??? perhaps.
"The Cave" - Plato??? perhaps.
I think you're right. I read somewhere that they are into Plato and a lot of their songs are inspired by his work. So I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this assumption.
I think you're right. I read somewhere that they are into Plato and a lot of their songs are inspired by his work. So I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this assumption.
Plato and all subsequent esoteric thinking is intertwined throughout the song - "re-births", ancient wisdom truths, Christianity, caves (birthzones), walking on hands like a baby in your new-found infant-like knowledge and wonder, etc. - - - doesn't make the broken relationship, stopped friend from hanging self and other interpretations any less accurate. All great literature, tending in both East and West to be Platonic, contain double/multiple entenders.
Plato and all subsequent esoteric thinking is intertwined throughout the song - "re-births", ancient wisdom truths, Christianity, caves (birthzones), walking on hands like a baby in your new-found infant-like knowledge and wonder, etc. - - - doesn't make the broken relationship, stopped friend from hanging self and other interpretations any less accurate. All great literature, tending in both East and West to be Platonic, contain double/multiple entenders.
right when i heard this song, i thought about plato's cave, and about the line "so come out of your cave walking on your hands, and see the world hanging upside down". it means to me that sometimes you think your whole life is one way, and one little thing can totally change your perspective on everything.
right when i heard this song, i thought about plato's cave, and about the line "so come out of your cave walking on your hands, and see the world hanging upside down". it means to me that sometimes you think your whole life is one way, and one little thing can totally change your perspective on everything.
This is the first thing that came to mind when i read the lyrics too. I can't really go into more detail cause audreyjane pretty much took the words outta my mouth! hahaha. AMAZING song!
This is the first thing that came to mind when i read the lyrics too. I can't really go into more detail cause audreyjane pretty much took the words outta my mouth! hahaha. AMAZING song!
So come out of your cave walking on your hands And see the world hanging upside down You can understand dependence When you know the maker's land
So come out of your cave walking on your hands And see the world hanging upside down You can understand dependence When you know the maker's land
reminds me of the part in plato's symposium in which the original people were physically attached to their "other halves" and they cartwheeled around instead of walking. now, because people are separated, they must find their matches.
reminds me of the part in plato's symposium in which the original people were physically attached to their "other halves" and they cartwheeled around instead of walking. now, because people are separated, they must find their matches.
The cave is the third step of odysseus's journey. It follows the "fall" of Troy and the lotas flowers. The fall of Troy is symbolic of the fall of man, the lotas flowers is the initial state of a man who has just fallen, a period of time where a man has lost all sense of himself( hence why men have been known to loose themselves forever in the flowers ie -thinking- instead of moving forward). Getting to this point is a very delicate process and college's usually spend multiple semesters getting students to this point, relatively few make it...
The cave is the third step of odysseus's journey. It follows the "fall" of Troy and the lotas flowers. The fall of Troy is symbolic of the fall of man, the lotas flowers is the initial state of a man who has just fallen, a period of time where a man has lost all sense of himself( hence why men have been known to loose themselves forever in the flowers ie -thinking- instead of moving forward). Getting to this point is a very delicate process and college's usually spend multiple semesters getting students to this point, relatively few make it and some that do make it don't get out. Ever wonder why schizophrenia usually sets in around the age of twenty... probably not but anyways. The one eyed cyclopes is the all seeing eye of God- cherubim wings meeting over the mercy seat form a pyramid shape with the eye of God in the middle like the dollar bill( I encourage you to look it up).. The individual now knows they are "naked" they realize the one eye of God is upon them, meaning they realize the life they have lived has been a controlled existence lacking volition to that point (think about it, how could they have come this far if it wasnt?) .. the individual then poses as a sheep "crawling on their hands" out of the cave to a world upside down.. "who are all these people how did i get in this body and who can i trust" they have thoughts like that and what not because they now realize that you don't no who takes part in the manipulation. I'll tell you the rest if yah care to know but im tired of typing at the moment.. I will say i acknowledge i missed some steps but they can be explained and also the sirens call after odysseus leaves circe (who wanted to make him immortal) because he chooses death (home) hence his trip to the underworld.. the sirens he recieves after are warnings which is why our artists say "I can see widows and orphans through my tears" Odysseus's main goal is his freedom. Remember Homer tells us Odysseus dies a free man.. "Cause I need freedom now" :)
i feel so dumb now because i'm a philosophy student and didn't think of this.
i feel so dumb now because i'm a philosophy student and didn't think of this.