I'm fairly certain I've got 90% of it figured out...
SECTION 1 (begining - "happy you're dead")
A couple had a baby. The baby had some head-issues.
The dad hated and wanted to kill the kid for being weird.
The mom comforted him with kind words and lies.
Both parent had detrimental effects on his psyche in the long run.
SECTION 2 ("drinkin' face" lines)
The dad drank to ignore his problems with the kid.
The drinking more than likely led to domestic problems.
These furthered issues between the parents, and hurting the kid's mind.
SECTION 3a ("Mother was yet confident..")
The child and mother grew tight as the dad grew bitter.
She promised that even though its bad now, things will be good one day.
SECTION 3b ("He can fulfill..")
At the same time, she hindered his developement as a person,
keeping him dependent on her, implying she's a bit whacky too.
SECTION 4 ("I hate it..")
From the view of the dad; he's so ashamed of his messed up kid.
I'm truly still lost on the apple tree lines..
SECTION 5 ("Lost hopes..")
The kid is SO messed up from the relationship with his parents,
that nothing can really do him good, only hurt him worse.. "lost one
more way back home" = one step further away from a normal life
SECTION 6 ("out on the lake..")
Idk why he was rowing, or where he was..
Anyhoo, he's heading back towards his mother (the monster)
His past has been so bad, he's losing his sense of right and wrong
SECTION 7 ("follows his father..")
His mother has convinced him to kill his father (he's a young man at this point)
He follows him to bed and tucks him in.. and almost follows through,
BUT due to hints in Don't Say A Word, I believe he chickened out,
and his mom had to finish the deed..
She acted like everything was beautiful now, and they'd live
happily ever after but.. he got drafted
SECTION 8 ("Over the hills..")
He had to go all over the place in the war, doing awful things..
Things that made him desensitized to killing, and showed him beauty in death.
Now he's found a mindset (his alter ego) to help him do away with his mother.
SECTION 9 ("Flowers and people..")
He accepts that the world is cruel, and he's never going to be happy..
I've got a few minor issues unresolved with the song.. but i think I'm mostly right.
I'm actually starting to divide the points of view in this song by musical sections.. -
I'm actually starting to divide the points of view in this song by musical sections.. -
-The main themes are Caleb reflecting on the past
-The sections generally following them ("mother was yet confident," and "followed his father..") are mother-orriented
-The weird middle section from "I hate it" through "lost one more way back home" are the dad
-And I stick by my idea of the last part being Caleb in the military for whatever reason and becoming slightly morbid.
-The main themes are Caleb reflecting on the past
-The sections generally following them ("mother was yet confident," and "followed his father..") are mother-orriented
-The weird middle section from "I hate it" through "lost one more way back home" are the dad
-And I stick by my idea of the last part being Caleb in the military for whatever reason and becoming slightly morbid.
I also have come to believe "Known to us from this day on...
I also have come to believe "Known to us from this day on by his father, Caleb" means he was named after his father, adding more torment to all 3 of them.. His father gets more shame from it, his mother's subconsious seething hate grows, and he is constantly reminded of his past.
you say that he got drafted and he went to war right??? so then that could tie this song to replica...because he talks about trying to figure out wat the war was about or something like that...but still he talks about being in war???
im not sure but it could be, right??
you say that he got drafted and he went to war right??? so then that could tie this song to replica...because he talks about trying to figure out wat the war was about or something like that...but still he talks about being in war???
im not sure but it could be, right??
and the part were he says "go out and make thunder" means make urself known in the world...and this could be used as a metaphor which means that before the thunder comes the lightning so he can stand under the tree and get hit by the...
and the part were he says "go out and make thunder" means make urself known in the world...and this could be used as a metaphor which means that before the thunder comes the lightning so he can stand under the tree and get hit by the lightning...but as a metaphore it means be known and dont care about the consequences...(getting hit by lightning)
I think the Section 4 apple three thing might be about getting struck by lightning? Metaphorically, I mean. That he creates his own thunder which strikes him as he goes under the tree (because trees are more likely to be struck by lightning). I hope you understand me, maybe someone could come up with a better explanation from what I said :)
I think the Section 4 apple three thing might be about getting struck by lightning? Metaphorically, I mean. That he creates his own thunder which strikes him as he goes under the tree (because trees are more likely to be struck by lightning). I hope you understand me, maybe someone could come up with a better explanation from what I said :)
@Jpak88 the law is a building from a story of Kafka no one can enter, to hate a negative fate, is to self-preserve, a tool of survival, fear is judged by the system as a form of hate in wich one hides itself from something one considers "bad", the child was not teached to understand, so it's preconditioned parents couldn't teach it the right stuff, "go out create thunder" refers to resolving the chemical barriers of the mind the right way by study & reaching tetra-waves, stand under the tree of wisdom, "the snakes" teach him tetra-mindset, while...
@Jpak88 the law is a building from a story of Kafka no one can enter, to hate a negative fate, is to self-preserve, a tool of survival, fear is judged by the system as a form of hate in wich one hides itself from something one considers "bad", the child was not teached to understand, so it's preconditioned parents couldn't teach it the right stuff, "go out create thunder" refers to resolving the chemical barriers of the mind the right way by study & reaching tetra-waves, stand under the tree of wisdom, "the snakes" teach him tetra-mindset, while using his inner mind system to their own purpose... the good the bad & the ugly etc etc
I'm fairly certain I've got 90% of it figured out...
SECTION 1 (begining - "happy you're dead") A couple had a baby. The baby had some head-issues. The dad hated and wanted to kill the kid for being weird.
The mom comforted him with kind words and lies. Both parent had detrimental effects on his psyche in the long run.
SECTION 2 ("drinkin' face" lines) The dad drank to ignore his problems with the kid. The drinking more than likely led to domestic problems. These furthered issues between the parents, and hurting the kid's mind.
SECTION 3a ("Mother was yet confident..") The child and mother grew tight as the dad grew bitter. She promised that even though its bad now, things will be good one day.
SECTION 3b ("He can fulfill..") At the same time, she hindered his developement as a person, keeping him dependent on her, implying she's a bit whacky too.
SECTION 4 ("I hate it..") From the view of the dad; he's so ashamed of his messed up kid. I'm truly still lost on the apple tree lines..
SECTION 5 ("Lost hopes..") The kid is SO messed up from the relationship with his parents, that nothing can really do him good, only hurt him worse.. "lost one more way back home" = one step further away from a normal life
SECTION 6 ("out on the lake..") Idk why he was rowing, or where he was.. Anyhoo, he's heading back towards his mother (the monster) His past has been so bad, he's losing his sense of right and wrong
SECTION 7 ("follows his father..") His mother has convinced him to kill his father (he's a young man at this point) He follows him to bed and tucks him in.. and almost follows through, BUT due to hints in Don't Say A Word, I believe he chickened out, and his mom had to finish the deed.. She acted like everything was beautiful now, and they'd live happily ever after but.. he got drafted
SECTION 8 ("Over the hills..") He had to go all over the place in the war, doing awful things.. Things that made him desensitized to killing, and showed him beauty in death. Now he's found a mindset (his alter ego) to help him do away with his mother.
SECTION 9 ("Flowers and people..") He accepts that the world is cruel, and he's never going to be happy..
I've got a few minor issues unresolved with the song.. but i think I'm mostly right.
The apple tree line likely has something to do with the saying "The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree"
The apple tree line likely has something to do with the saying "The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree"
By the previous interpretation it would mean the son is crazy like his mother.
By the previous interpretation it would mean the son is crazy like his mother.
I'm actually starting to divide the points of view in this song by musical sections.. -
I'm actually starting to divide the points of view in this song by musical sections.. -
-The main themes are Caleb reflecting on the past -The sections generally following them ("mother was yet confident," and "followed his father..") are mother-orriented -The weird middle section from "I hate it" through "lost one more way back home" are the dad -And I stick by my idea of the last part being Caleb in the military for whatever reason and becoming slightly morbid.
-The main themes are Caleb reflecting on the past -The sections generally following them ("mother was yet confident," and "followed his father..") are mother-orriented -The weird middle section from "I hate it" through "lost one more way back home" are the dad -And I stick by my idea of the last part being Caleb in the military for whatever reason and becoming slightly morbid.
I also have come to believe "Known to us from this day on...
I also have come to believe "Known to us from this day on by his father, Caleb" means he was named after his father, adding more torment to all 3 of them.. His father gets more shame from it, his mother's subconsious seething hate grows, and he is constantly reminded of his past.
you say that he got drafted and he went to war right??? so then that could tie this song to replica...because he talks about trying to figure out wat the war was about or something like that...but still he talks about being in war??? im not sure but it could be, right??
you say that he got drafted and he went to war right??? so then that could tie this song to replica...because he talks about trying to figure out wat the war was about or something like that...but still he talks about being in war??? im not sure but it could be, right??
and the part were he says "go out and make thunder" means make urself known in the world...and this could be used as a metaphor which means that before the thunder comes the lightning so he can stand under the tree and get hit by the...
and the part were he says "go out and make thunder" means make urself known in the world...and this could be used as a metaphor which means that before the thunder comes the lightning so he can stand under the tree and get hit by the lightning...but as a metaphore it means be known and dont care about the consequences...(getting hit by lightning)
The old apple tree part seems to me like an illusion to eden.
The old apple tree part seems to me like an illusion to eden.
it could be dealing with temptation
it could be dealing with temptation
I think the Section 4 apple three thing might be about getting struck by lightning? Metaphorically, I mean. That he creates his own thunder which strikes him as he goes under the tree (because trees are more likely to be struck by lightning). I hope you understand me, maybe someone could come up with a better explanation from what I said :)
I think the Section 4 apple three thing might be about getting struck by lightning? Metaphorically, I mean. That he creates his own thunder which strikes him as he goes under the tree (because trees are more likely to be struck by lightning). I hope you understand me, maybe someone could come up with a better explanation from what I said :)
@Jpak88 the law is a building from a story of Kafka no one can enter, to hate a negative fate, is to self-preserve, a tool of survival, fear is judged by the system as a form of hate in wich one hides itself from something one considers "bad", the child was not teached to understand, so it's preconditioned parents couldn't teach it the right stuff, "go out create thunder" refers to resolving the chemical barriers of the mind the right way by study & reaching tetra-waves, stand under the tree of wisdom, "the snakes" teach him tetra-mindset, while...
@Jpak88 the law is a building from a story of Kafka no one can enter, to hate a negative fate, is to self-preserve, a tool of survival, fear is judged by the system as a form of hate in wich one hides itself from something one considers "bad", the child was not teached to understand, so it's preconditioned parents couldn't teach it the right stuff, "go out create thunder" refers to resolving the chemical barriers of the mind the right way by study & reaching tetra-waves, stand under the tree of wisdom, "the snakes" teach him tetra-mindset, while using his inner mind system to their own purpose... the good the bad & the ugly etc etc