These guys are giving Satan too much thinking. Making our Lord Jesus Christ look like a pagan god who can actually become angry and make others suffer too.
"...because my patience and mercy for you has run dry."
In fact, God's mercy and love is what bothers the forces of evil. Finishing them and locking them up in their sinful prison would be cool for them. But hugging them with love and forgiving them is a punishment even worse.
thats a good point and i know where your coming from. but this is talking about the end times. when you read revalations. its talks about how He will come with vengence. does he not? In this case he's taking revenge for us, for his children. for all satan's put us through. this song may be pushin it to some but its just kickin satan in the teeth man. its basically Carmen's "champion" on steroids.
thats a good point and i know where your coming from. but this is talking about the end times. when you read revalations. its talks about how He will come with vengence. does he not? In this case he's taking revenge for us, for his children. for all satan's put us through. this song may be pushin it to some but its just kickin satan in the teeth man. its basically Carmen's "champion" on steroids.
in the end God wont forgive satan, He's gonna throw em in hell. the whole reason why there is a hell, is for...
in the end God wont forgive satan, He's gonna throw em in hell. the whole reason why there is a hell, is for this one moment.
Oh, sleeper is just thinkin outside the box, reminding us that we dont have to be afraid or worry. bc God is in control, and He will be the victor in the end.
I don't meant to bash you Edboy; but what you are talking about is one of the biggest misconceptions of Christians and non-Christian's alike. God isn't a super lovey god. All throughout the Bible, God CAN become very upset.
I don't meant to bash you Edboy; but what you are talking about is one of the biggest misconceptions of Christians and non-Christian's alike. God isn't a super lovey god. All throughout the Bible, God CAN become very upset.
The Bible calls him the warrior king who would run across battlefields, rip the enemy general's sword from his hand, and stab him through the head with his own sword.
The Bible calls him the warrior king who would run across battlefields, rip the enemy general's sword from his hand, and stab him through the head with his own sword.
Not to mention the countless verses about holy justice and eternal punishment. Read the book of Jude. Half of it is basically an anti-sin list that shows God's punishments for sins.
Not to mention the countless verses about holy justice and eternal punishment. Read the book of Jude. Half of it is basically an anti-sin list that shows God's punishments for sins.
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I think Oh, Sleeper did a great job personifying God's personality; especially in the final battles of the Bible. The only thing I think they should have changed was the actions they seem to give God. In the Bible, it's basically Michael who physically beats the crud out of Satan (twice); not God. God destroys the Beast, the Anti-Christ, and the demons; leaving Michael to face Satan.
But still; tis an amazing CD!! It's one of the few CDs from a Christian band that really Biblically deals with this topic. (Other than all of Becoming The Archetype's music)
I definitely agree with "Bloodmoonbringer" God isn't a pushover at all. Ever heard the phrase "The Wrath of God"? He's longsuffering; he'll forgive for longer than any other, but with greater backlash when you overstep the bounds.
I definitely agree with "Bloodmoonbringer" God isn't a pushover at all. Ever heard the phrase "The Wrath of God"? He's longsuffering; he'll forgive for longer than any other, but with greater backlash when you overstep the bounds.
I dont know if I like the way the lyrics were written though. If they referenced God with He or Him then it wouldnt bother me so much, but when they use I that says that the lead singer is God or is someone with God's powers. I do like the fact that they made there own story to the end of satan but I dont like they way they worded it
I dont know if I like the way the lyrics were written though. If they referenced God with He or Him then it wouldnt bother me so much, but when they use I that says that the lead singer is God or is someone with God's powers. I do like the fact that they made there own story to the end of satan but I dont like they way they worded it
A number of versions of the Bible has this verse describing Jesus as "the author and finisher of our faith". We can mostly tell that the song up to this point is from the perspective of Jesus, but at this point, to me, it becomes clear that the band wants us to know what kind of authority these words have and are being spoken from.
A number of versions of the Bible has this verse describing Jesus as "the author and finisher of our faith". We can mostly tell that the song up to this point is from the perspective of Jesus, but at this point, to me, it becomes clear that the band wants us to know what kind of authority these words have and are being spoken from.
This isn't exactly a well thought out and thoroughly researched reply to your concern, but I hope it gives you (and others) some sort of assurance...
This isn't exactly a well thought out and thoroughly researched reply to your concern, but I hope it gives you (and others) some sort of assurance that from this particular aspect, the song is honoring God alone.
These guys are giving Satan too much thinking. Making our Lord Jesus Christ look like a pagan god who can actually become angry and make others suffer too.
"...because my patience and mercy for you has run dry." In fact, God's mercy and love is what bothers the forces of evil. Finishing them and locking them up in their sinful prison would be cool for them. But hugging them with love and forgiving them is a punishment even worse.
thats a good point and i know where your coming from. but this is talking about the end times. when you read revalations. its talks about how He will come with vengence. does he not? In this case he's taking revenge for us, for his children. for all satan's put us through. this song may be pushin it to some but its just kickin satan in the teeth man. its basically Carmen's "champion" on steroids.
thats a good point and i know where your coming from. but this is talking about the end times. when you read revalations. its talks about how He will come with vengence. does he not? In this case he's taking revenge for us, for his children. for all satan's put us through. this song may be pushin it to some but its just kickin satan in the teeth man. its basically Carmen's "champion" on steroids.
in the end God wont forgive satan, He's gonna throw em in hell. the whole reason why there is a hell, is for...
in the end God wont forgive satan, He's gonna throw em in hell. the whole reason why there is a hell, is for this one moment. Oh, sleeper is just thinkin outside the box, reminding us that we dont have to be afraid or worry. bc God is in control, and He will be the victor in the end.
I don't meant to bash you Edboy; but what you are talking about is one of the biggest misconceptions of Christians and non-Christian's alike. God isn't a super lovey god. All throughout the Bible, God CAN become very upset.
I don't meant to bash you Edboy; but what you are talking about is one of the biggest misconceptions of Christians and non-Christian's alike. God isn't a super lovey god. All throughout the Bible, God CAN become very upset.
The Bible calls him the warrior king who would run across battlefields, rip the enemy general's sword from his hand, and stab him through the head with his own sword.
The Bible calls him the warrior king who would run across battlefields, rip the enemy general's sword from his hand, and stab him through the head with his own sword.
Not to mention the countless verses about holy justice and eternal punishment. Read the book of Jude. Half of it is basically an anti-sin list that shows God's punishments for sins.
Not to mention the countless verses about holy justice and eternal punishment. Read the book of Jude. Half of it is basically an anti-sin list that shows God's punishments for sins.
...
I think Oh, Sleeper did a great job personifying God's personality; especially in the final battles of the Bible. The only thing I think they should have changed was the actions they seem to give God. In the Bible, it's basically Michael who physically beats the crud out of Satan (twice); not God. God destroys the Beast, the Anti-Christ, and the demons; leaving Michael to face Satan.
But still; tis an amazing CD!! It's one of the few CDs from a Christian band that really Biblically deals with this topic. (Other than all of Becoming The Archetype's music)
I definitely agree with "Bloodmoonbringer" God isn't a pushover at all. Ever heard the phrase "The Wrath of God"? He's longsuffering; he'll forgive for longer than any other, but with greater backlash when you overstep the bounds.
I definitely agree with "Bloodmoonbringer" God isn't a pushover at all. Ever heard the phrase "The Wrath of God"? He's longsuffering; he'll forgive for longer than any other, but with greater backlash when you overstep the bounds.
I dont know if I like the way the lyrics were written though. If they referenced God with He or Him then it wouldnt bother me so much, but when they use I that says that the lead singer is God or is someone with God's powers. I do like the fact that they made there own story to the end of satan but I dont like they way they worded it
I dont know if I like the way the lyrics were written though. If they referenced God with He or Him then it wouldnt bother me so much, but when they use I that says that the lead singer is God or is someone with God's powers. I do like the fact that they made there own story to the end of satan but I dont like they way they worded it
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A number of versions of the Bible has this verse describing Jesus as "the author and finisher of our faith". We can mostly tell that the song up to this point is from the perspective of Jesus, but at this point, to me, it becomes clear that the band wants us to know what kind of authority these words have and are being spoken from.
A number of versions of the Bible has this verse describing Jesus as "the author and finisher of our faith". We can mostly tell that the song up to this point is from the perspective of Jesus, but at this point, to me, it becomes clear that the band wants us to know what kind of authority these words have and are being spoken from.
This isn't exactly a well thought out and thoroughly researched reply to your concern, but I hope it gives you (and others) some sort of assurance...
This isn't exactly a well thought out and thoroughly researched reply to your concern, but I hope it gives you (and others) some sort of assurance that from this particular aspect, the song is honoring God alone.