People seem to give Gibbard little credit. With the level of emotion he puts into his music, I would think more people would have also realized that he's more of an emotional person than one just out for sex. That being said, I think there are many people who may be looking at this without a certain maturation one gets from having many relationships. Many seem to think Gibbard is saying he makes empty promises for sex, and I don't see it as that by any means.
From my experience, there are times where you want to love someone more than you actually love them. I feel that is what the meaning of this song is, rather, coming to the realization of said fact with one person in particular.
I have had relationships in the past where I liked someone, loved to spend time with them, and a relationship status elevated quickly enough that it seemed like love. After some time and intimacy, however, it became apparent that instead of loving that person in particular, I was just wanting to love someone in general.
When you realize that you don't love the person that you thought you loved, it can be pretty rough, and I think that is what he is writing of. His lyrics are indicative of similar experiences, so I can only imagine he was meaning that, rather than something so simple and vain as lying to for sex. Tricking someone into a lay is hardly something to write a song about...especially on an album that's mostly about love and life.
@micromanage good that you got closure, but fuck what a dick.
@micromanage good that you got closure, but fuck what a dick.
@Chalz why does he say it was vile then? It seems like it indeed is about the moment when he realizes that he doesn't love her, but he uses her for a while before telling her. Getting on the ethical aspect of things, he should have told her if that was the case, or simply not told her at all he loved her. On my personal relationships I say it when I mean it.
@Chalz why does he say it was vile then? It seems like it indeed is about the moment when he realizes that he doesn't love her, but he uses her for a while before telling her. Getting on the ethical aspect of things, he should have told her if that was the case, or simply not told her at all he loved her. On my personal relationships I say it when I mean it.
@terriblyvexed why would you say she is out of his league? I think its normal...
@terriblyvexed why would you say she is out of his league? I think its normal to think sexual partners are beautiful, and this seems like a relationship between a guy and a girl in which the guy was simply using the girl for sex. Also the beggining of the song gives it a different direction at the start.
@Chalz (Coming late to this, I know!): I agree with your take. In particular, the opening two lines: "This is the moment that you know/That you told you loved her but you don't," suggest that before "this moment" he really thought he meant what he'd said. Also, "Wanted to believe in all the words that I was speaking" pretty strongly indicates he wasn't just lying for sex. Finally, the "Tiny vessels..." verse talks about him "fading"—something was changing; he wasn't just lying from the start (except perhaps to the extent he was also lying to himself)....
@Chalz (Coming late to this, I know!): I agree with your take. In particular, the opening two lines: "This is the moment that you know/That you told you loved her but you don't," suggest that before "this moment" he really thought he meant what he'd said. Also, "Wanted to believe in all the words that I was speaking" pretty strongly indicates he wasn't just lying for sex. Finally, the "Tiny vessels..." verse talks about him "fading"—something was changing; he wasn't just lying from the start (except perhaps to the extent he was also lying to himself).
People seem to give Gibbard little credit. With the level of emotion he puts into his music, I would think more people would have also realized that he's more of an emotional person than one just out for sex. That being said, I think there are many people who may be looking at this without a certain maturation one gets from having many relationships. Many seem to think Gibbard is saying he makes empty promises for sex, and I don't see it as that by any means.
From my experience, there are times where you want to love someone more than you actually love them. I feel that is what the meaning of this song is, rather, coming to the realization of said fact with one person in particular.
I have had relationships in the past where I liked someone, loved to spend time with them, and a relationship status elevated quickly enough that it seemed like love. After some time and intimacy, however, it became apparent that instead of loving that person in particular, I was just wanting to love someone in general.
When you realize that you don't love the person that you thought you loved, it can be pretty rough, and I think that is what he is writing of. His lyrics are indicative of similar experiences, so I can only imagine he was meaning that, rather than something so simple and vain as lying to for sex. Tricking someone into a lay is hardly something to write a song about...especially on an album that's mostly about love and life.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Chalz. Or more so, Gibbard couldn't have said it better himself.
I couldn't have said it better myself, Chalz. Or more so, Gibbard couldn't have said it better himself.
@micromanage good that you got closure, but fuck what a dick.
@micromanage good that you got closure, but fuck what a dick.
@Chalz why does he say it was vile then? It seems like it indeed is about the moment when he realizes that he doesn't love her, but he uses her for a while before telling her. Getting on the ethical aspect of things, he should have told her if that was the case, or simply not told her at all he loved her. On my personal relationships I say it when I mean it.
@Chalz why does he say it was vile then? It seems like it indeed is about the moment when he realizes that he doesn't love her, but he uses her for a while before telling her. Getting on the ethical aspect of things, he should have told her if that was the case, or simply not told her at all he loved her. On my personal relationships I say it when I mean it.
@terriblyvexed why would you say she is out of his league? I think its normal...
@terriblyvexed why would you say she is out of his league? I think its normal to think sexual partners are beautiful, and this seems like a relationship between a guy and a girl in which the guy was simply using the girl for sex. Also the beggining of the song gives it a different direction at the start.
@Chalz (Coming late to this, I know!): I agree with your take. In particular, the opening two lines: "This is the moment that you know/That you told you loved her but you don't," suggest that before "this moment" he really thought he meant what he'd said. Also, "Wanted to believe in all the words that I was speaking" pretty strongly indicates he wasn't just lying for sex. Finally, the "Tiny vessels..." verse talks about him "fading"—something was changing; he wasn't just lying from the start (except perhaps to the extent he was also lying to himself)....
@Chalz (Coming late to this, I know!): I agree with your take. In particular, the opening two lines: "This is the moment that you know/That you told you loved her but you don't," suggest that before "this moment" he really thought he meant what he'd said. Also, "Wanted to believe in all the words that I was speaking" pretty strongly indicates he wasn't just lying for sex. Finally, the "Tiny vessels..." verse talks about him "fading"—something was changing; he wasn't just lying from the start (except perhaps to the extent he was also lying to himself).