Also, I think '1905 but not 1917' is a reference to the failed socialist revolution in Russia in 1905 that was, I believe, largely non-violent. The 1917 revolution was sucessful, and was carried out through the use of military forces...
I'm not sure what kind of relevance this holds to the rest of the song though.
Also, I think '1905 but not 1917' is a reference to the failed socialist revolution in Russia in 1905 that was, I believe, largely non-violent. The 1917 revolution was sucessful, and was carried out through the use of military forces...
I'm not sure what kind of relevance this holds to the rest of the song though.
Yeah, I think you're right about the reference of 1905 and 1917...I think the significance is that the 1905 revolutionaries never had to test-drive their ideas, they didn't have the horrors of what actually happened in and after 1917 so could still be radical.
Yeah, I think you're right about the reference of 1905 and 1917...I think the significance is that the 1905 revolutionaries never had to test-drive their ideas, they didn't have the horrors of what actually happened in and after 1917 so could still be radical.
Your on the right track the main difference between the two though is that in 1905 it was a pure workers revolt and revolution, carried out by the people and for the people. By the time 1917 happened the political parties had enough time to organize and Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and the Bolshevik party were able to gain enough support via propaganda, hollow promises, and intimidation to violently take over.
Your on the right track the main difference between the two though is that in 1905 it was a pure workers revolt and revolution, carried out by the people and for the people. By the time 1917 happened the political parties had enough time to organize and Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and the Bolshevik party were able to gain enough support via propaganda, hollow promises, and intimidation to violently take over.
"Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky", why you felt the need to include Stalin, who remains rather unimportant in the bolshevic party until 1922, when Lenin appoints him GenSec of the party.
"Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky", why you felt the need to include Stalin, who remains rather unimportant in the bolshevic party until 1922, when Lenin appoints him GenSec of the party.
Also, the 1905 revolution wasnt a failure, it succeeded in overthrowing the tsarist regime and bringing democracy to russia (the Provisional Government itself, however, was piss poor)
Also, the 1905 revolution wasnt a failure, it succeeded in overthrowing the tsarist regime and bringing democracy to russia (the Provisional Government itself, however, was piss poor)
I'm pretty sure the line is "old light brigade" not life brigade -- referring to the Tennyson poem "The Charge of the Light Brigade." (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade)
Also, I think '1905 but not 1917' is a reference to the failed socialist revolution in Russia in 1905 that was, I believe, largely non-violent. The 1917 revolution was sucessful, and was carried out through the use of military forces... I'm not sure what kind of relevance this holds to the rest of the song though.
Also, I think '1905 but not 1917' is a reference to the failed socialist revolution in Russia in 1905 that was, I believe, largely non-violent. The 1917 revolution was sucessful, and was carried out through the use of military forces... I'm not sure what kind of relevance this holds to the rest of the song though.
I agree
I agree
Yeah, I think you're right about the reference of 1905 and 1917...I think the significance is that the 1905 revolutionaries never had to test-drive their ideas, they didn't have the horrors of what actually happened in and after 1917 so could still be radical.
Yeah, I think you're right about the reference of 1905 and 1917...I think the significance is that the 1905 revolutionaries never had to test-drive their ideas, they didn't have the horrors of what actually happened in and after 1917 so could still be radical.
Your on the right track the main difference between the two though is that in 1905 it was a pure workers revolt and revolution, carried out by the people and for the people. By the time 1917 happened the political parties had enough time to organize and Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and the Bolshevik party were able to gain enough support via propaganda, hollow promises, and intimidation to violently take over.
Your on the right track the main difference between the two though is that in 1905 it was a pure workers revolt and revolution, carried out by the people and for the people. By the time 1917 happened the political parties had enough time to organize and Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and the Bolshevik party were able to gain enough support via propaganda, hollow promises, and intimidation to violently take over.
"Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky", why you felt the need to include Stalin, who remains rather unimportant in the bolshevic party until 1922, when Lenin appoints him GenSec of the party.
"Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky", why you felt the need to include Stalin, who remains rather unimportant in the bolshevic party until 1922, when Lenin appoints him GenSec of the party.
Also, the 1905 revolution wasnt a failure, it succeeded in overthrowing the tsarist regime and bringing democracy to russia (the Provisional Government itself, however, was piss poor)
Also, the 1905 revolution wasnt a failure, it succeeded in overthrowing the tsarist regime and bringing democracy to russia (the Provisional Government itself, however, was piss poor)