KATE on Under the Ivy: "It's very much a song about someone who is sneaking away from a party to meet someone elusively, secretly, and to possibly make love with them, or just to communicate, but it's secret, and it's something they used to do and that they won't be able to do again. It's about a nostalgic, revisited moment."
DOUG: Is there any reason why it's so sad?
KATE: "I think it's sad because it's about someone who is recalling a moment when perhaps they used to do it when they were innocent and when they were children, and it's something that they're having to sneak away to do privately now as adults."
http://gaffa.org/dreaming/doug_int.html
UNDER the ivy bush
One sits sighing,
And under the willow tree
One sits crying. —
Under the ivy bush
Cease from your sighing,
But under the willow tree
Lie down a-dying.
~ Christina Rossetti
Ivy - Immortality, Friendship, Faithfulness.
Because it is an evergreen that clings while climbing, it signifies the need for protection. Since it grows quickly, it also symbolizes regeneration, sensuality and revelry. The Greco-Roman god Dionysus, or Bacchus, had an ivy cup and wore a crown of ivy leaves. As a symbol of immortality, it provides hope of salvation and deliverance. In Frances Hodgson Burnett's The Secret Garden, the garden door is hidden under the ivy.
Ivy was often used to symbolise the notion of gendered spheres for men and women in the Victorian period, where the ivy (woman) needs the sturdy oak (man) for support. This idea derives from Christian doctrine, as does the association of ivy (an evergreen plant) with the notion of resurrection. Ivy also has associations with melancholy and decay; the image of ivy covered ruins was a popular motif of the Romantic movement.
Of course, Kate enjoys spelling puns on her name (Kate Bosch [NFE], BaBUSHka, the Pull of THE BUSH, etc). And 'Under the Ivy' is another example of Bush Topiary...
White Roses - Purity, Innocence, Sympathy, Spirituality
With its pristine appearance, the white rose has come to symbolize purity, innocence and secrecy. Early traditions also used white roses as a symbol for true love, an association which would later become the hallmark of the red rose. However, white roses continue to endure and retain their symbolism of innocence.
Also known as the bridal rose, the white rose is a traditional wedding flower. In this sense, they are a representation of unity, virtue, young love, and the pureness of a new bond of love. White roses are also associated with honor and reverence, which makes them a fitting memorial for a departed loved one. As a symbol of remembrance, the white rose represents heavenliness and is an expression of spiritual love and respect.
White roses have been symbols of reverence and humility ever since Medieval Christian Europe. In those times, Mary was often represented by a white rose to represent her purity. In Wales, white roses are seen to mean innocence and silence, and are often placed on the grave of a young child. Meanwhile, some native American cultures see the white rose as representing security and happiness, so this is why they are traditionally worn at weddings.
In Cocteau's La Belle et la Bête, the white rose is symbolic of the Beast's inner character. Cocteau reinterprets Villeneuve's story and theme of love's power to redeem ugliness. He uses the white rose as a symbol of love and purity. The Beast may appear to be a hideous creature, but on the inside he is a loving and caring person. And of course, in La Belle et la Bête, the father goes into the garden, under the ivy, under the leaves, away from the party, right to the rose, right to the white rose and picks one of the white roses for his daughter.
The White Rose was a non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany that called for active opposition to Hitler's regime. The group's first pamphlet decried the horrors of the T4 'euthanasia' programme. The six core members of the group were arrested by the Gestapo, convicted and executed 1943. The symbol of the white rose was intended to represent purity and innocence in the face of evil. A 2003 German poll, "the ten greatest Germans of all time", placed Hans and Sophie Scholl of the White Rose fourth place, selecting them over Bach, Goethe, and Albert Einstein.
"Since the conquest of Poland three hundred thousand Jews have been murdered in this country in the most bestial way ... The German people slumber on in their dull, stupid sleep and encourage these fascist criminals ... Each man wants to be exonerated of a guilt of this kind, each one continues on his way with the most placid, the calmest conscience. But he cannot be exonerated; he is guilty, guilty, guilty!"
— From the second leaflet of the White Rose.
In the modern occultism of Madeline Montalban (died 1982) Lucifer's identification as the Morning Star (Venus) equates him with Lumiel, whom she regarded as the Archangel of Light, and among Satanists he is seen as The "Torch of Baphomet" and Azazel. In this modern occult teaching, an obvious appropriation of Christian soteriology, it is stated that it is Lucifer's destiny to incarnate in human form at certain key times in world history as a saviour and redeemer for humanity. A symbol for this process is the Tudor Rose. The Tudor Rose can be red, representing Lucifer, or white representing Lilith. The Tau cross is also a symbol of Lumiel/Lucifer and his role as an avatar for the human race.
KATE on Under the Ivy: "It's very much a song about someone who is sneaking away from a party to meet someone elusively, secretly, and to possibly make love with them, or just to communicate, but it's secret, and it's something they used to do and that they won't be able to do again. It's about a nostalgic, revisited moment." DOUG: Is there any reason why it's so sad? KATE: "I think it's sad because it's about someone who is recalling a moment when perhaps they used to do it when they were innocent and when they were children, and it's something that they're having to sneak away to do privately now as adults." http://gaffa.org/dreaming/doug_int.html
UNDER the ivy bush One sits sighing, And under the willow tree One sits crying. —
Under the ivy bush Cease from your sighing, But under the willow tree Lie down a-dying.
~ Christina Rossetti
Ivy - Immortality, Friendship, Faithfulness. Because it is an evergreen that clings while climbing, it signifies the need for protection. Since it grows quickly, it also symbolizes regeneration, sensuality and revelry. The Greco-Roman god Dionysus, or Bacchus, had an ivy cup and wore a crown of ivy leaves. As a symbol of immortality, it provides hope of salvation and deliverance. In Frances Hodgson Burnett's The Secret Garden, the garden door is hidden under the ivy. Ivy was often used to symbolise the notion of gendered spheres for men and women in the Victorian period, where the ivy (woman) needs the sturdy oak (man) for support. This idea derives from Christian doctrine, as does the association of ivy (an evergreen plant) with the notion of resurrection. Ivy also has associations with melancholy and decay; the image of ivy covered ruins was a popular motif of the Romantic movement. Of course, Kate enjoys spelling puns on her name (Kate Bosch [NFE], BaBUSHka, the Pull of THE BUSH, etc). And 'Under the Ivy' is another example of Bush Topiary...
White Roses - Purity, Innocence, Sympathy, Spirituality With its pristine appearance, the white rose has come to symbolize purity, innocence and secrecy. Early traditions also used white roses as a symbol for true love, an association which would later become the hallmark of the red rose. However, white roses continue to endure and retain their symbolism of innocence. Also known as the bridal rose, the white rose is a traditional wedding flower. In this sense, they are a representation of unity, virtue, young love, and the pureness of a new bond of love. White roses are also associated with honor and reverence, which makes them a fitting memorial for a departed loved one. As a symbol of remembrance, the white rose represents heavenliness and is an expression of spiritual love and respect. White roses have been symbols of reverence and humility ever since Medieval Christian Europe. In those times, Mary was often represented by a white rose to represent her purity. In Wales, white roses are seen to mean innocence and silence, and are often placed on the grave of a young child. Meanwhile, some native American cultures see the white rose as representing security and happiness, so this is why they are traditionally worn at weddings. In Cocteau's La Belle et la Bête, the white rose is symbolic of the Beast's inner character. Cocteau reinterprets Villeneuve's story and theme of love's power to redeem ugliness. He uses the white rose as a symbol of love and purity. The Beast may appear to be a hideous creature, but on the inside he is a loving and caring person. And of course, in La Belle et la Bête, the father goes into the garden, under the ivy, under the leaves, away from the party, right to the rose, right to the white rose and picks one of the white roses for his daughter. The White Rose was a non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany that called for active opposition to Hitler's regime. The group's first pamphlet decried the horrors of the T4 'euthanasia' programme. The six core members of the group were arrested by the Gestapo, convicted and executed 1943. The symbol of the white rose was intended to represent purity and innocence in the face of evil. A 2003 German poll, "the ten greatest Germans of all time", placed Hans and Sophie Scholl of the White Rose fourth place, selecting them over Bach, Goethe, and Albert Einstein. "Since the conquest of Poland three hundred thousand Jews have been murdered in this country in the most bestial way ... The German people slumber on in their dull, stupid sleep and encourage these fascist criminals ... Each man wants to be exonerated of a guilt of this kind, each one continues on his way with the most placid, the calmest conscience. But he cannot be exonerated; he is guilty, guilty, guilty!" — From the second leaflet of the White Rose.
In the modern occultism of Madeline Montalban (died 1982) Lucifer's identification as the Morning Star (Venus) equates him with Lumiel, whom she regarded as the Archangel of Light, and among Satanists he is seen as The "Torch of Baphomet" and Azazel. In this modern occult teaching, an obvious appropriation of Christian soteriology, it is stated that it is Lucifer's destiny to incarnate in human form at certain key times in world history as a saviour and redeemer for humanity. A symbol for this process is the Tudor Rose. The Tudor Rose can be red, representing Lucifer, or white representing Lilith. The Tau cross is also a symbol of Lumiel/Lucifer and his role as an avatar for the human race.