Great song, not the most historically accurate. About the only Marines (Parris Island) in Saigon were the embassy guards. Drug use in the Marines was extremely low in comparison to the other branches, also.
I do agree that it's bullshit how vets were treated when they got home. Regardless of what your opinion on politics is, it takes BALLS to get and fight like that. If my opinion matters... I may paraphrase George Orwell, "people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
/rant
PS: the average age of a serviceman in Vietnam was 22-23, not 19 as is commonly quoted
I was confused by the Marines only being in the embassy guards, until I realized you meant marines serving in Saigon. I don't think the setting of the song is "Saigon"; the song is about the Vietnam War in general. Perhaps it is in reference to the fall of Saigon. Also, the Marines may have had "extremely low" drug use rates, but the marines in this song just happened to use drugs. I don't think he means that every marine used drugs. However, it does perpetuate the idea of rampant drug use.
I was confused by the Marines only being in the embassy guards, until I realized you meant marines serving in Saigon. I don't think the setting of the song is "Saigon"; the song is about the Vietnam War in general. Perhaps it is in reference to the fall of Saigon. Also, the Marines may have had "extremely low" drug use rates, but the marines in this song just happened to use drugs. I don't think he means that every marine used drugs. However, it does perpetuate the idea of rampant drug use.
all right. i agree with evermn's 2nd paragraph. however... how do i put this delicately, where 17million feet don't want to kick my ass?
all right. i agree with evermn's 2nd paragraph. however... how do i put this delicately, where 17million feet don't want to kick my ass?
they are a quadrillion times braver than i, and i'd never dispute that. i also don't believe that the world would be sunshine and rainbows without military and wars. but by god, i HATE them. we have the war on terror going on right now. i was pregnant with my first child when we went to war, and i LOST it. i'm so thankful that i won't be here in 300 years to see what our...
they are a quadrillion times braver than i, and i'd never dispute that. i also don't believe that the world would be sunshine and rainbows without military and wars. but by god, i HATE them. we have the war on terror going on right now. i was pregnant with my first child when we went to war, and i LOST it. i'm so thankful that i won't be here in 300 years to see what our race has done to mother earth.
saw another baby face on the news the other night, dead. when i think about the folks i know who all went out and join the forces in '01-02... Jo and A were 19, Ja & A were 18, Je was 20, and K is 26, offhand. my step-dad and ex-boyfriends all enlisted straight out of high school. and my sister's boyfriend is 23 or 4 and all set to join. it makes me ill. i don't lay blame on them, but i hate that they go. rewards for bravery, awesome... but to me, that also kind of feels like a reward for murder.
i've always took it to be the fall of saigon. but on another note, i've done more drugs than i'd like to mention, and i sure as fuck would be passing the hash pipe-- not knowing which heartbeat will be your last...
i've always took it to be the fall of saigon. but on another note, i've done more drugs than i'd like to mention, and i sure as fuck would be passing the hash pipe-- not knowing which heartbeat will be your last...
Great song, not the most historically accurate. About the only Marines (Parris Island) in Saigon were the embassy guards. Drug use in the Marines was extremely low in comparison to the other branches, also.
I do agree that it's bullshit how vets were treated when they got home. Regardless of what your opinion on politics is, it takes BALLS to get and fight like that. If my opinion matters... I may paraphrase George Orwell, "people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
/rant PS: the average age of a serviceman in Vietnam was 22-23, not 19 as is commonly quoted
I was confused by the Marines only being in the embassy guards, until I realized you meant marines serving in Saigon. I don't think the setting of the song is "Saigon"; the song is about the Vietnam War in general. Perhaps it is in reference to the fall of Saigon. Also, the Marines may have had "extremely low" drug use rates, but the marines in this song just happened to use drugs. I don't think he means that every marine used drugs. However, it does perpetuate the idea of rampant drug use.
I was confused by the Marines only being in the embassy guards, until I realized you meant marines serving in Saigon. I don't think the setting of the song is "Saigon"; the song is about the Vietnam War in general. Perhaps it is in reference to the fall of Saigon. Also, the Marines may have had "extremely low" drug use rates, but the marines in this song just happened to use drugs. I don't think he means that every marine used drugs. However, it does perpetuate the idea of rampant drug use.
all right. i agree with evermn's 2nd paragraph. however... how do i put this delicately, where 17million feet don't want to kick my ass?
all right. i agree with evermn's 2nd paragraph. however... how do i put this delicately, where 17million feet don't want to kick my ass?
they are a quadrillion times braver than i, and i'd never dispute that. i also don't believe that the world would be sunshine and rainbows without military and wars. but by god, i HATE them. we have the war on terror going on right now. i was pregnant with my first child when we went to war, and i LOST it. i'm so thankful that i won't be here in 300 years to see what our...
they are a quadrillion times braver than i, and i'd never dispute that. i also don't believe that the world would be sunshine and rainbows without military and wars. but by god, i HATE them. we have the war on terror going on right now. i was pregnant with my first child when we went to war, and i LOST it. i'm so thankful that i won't be here in 300 years to see what our race has done to mother earth. saw another baby face on the news the other night, dead. when i think about the folks i know who all went out and join the forces in '01-02... Jo and A were 19, Ja & A were 18, Je was 20, and K is 26, offhand. my step-dad and ex-boyfriends all enlisted straight out of high school. and my sister's boyfriend is 23 or 4 and all set to join. it makes me ill. i don't lay blame on them, but i hate that they go. rewards for bravery, awesome... but to me, that also kind of feels like a reward for murder.
i've always took it to be the fall of saigon. but on another note, i've done more drugs than i'd like to mention, and i sure as fuck would be passing the hash pipe-- not knowing which heartbeat will be your last...
i've always took it to be the fall of saigon. but on another note, i've done more drugs than i'd like to mention, and i sure as fuck would be passing the hash pipe-- not knowing which heartbeat will be your last...