Mikemat5150 noticed the parallels between Tom Petty's "Last Dance with Mary Jane" and "A Martyr for My Love for You" by the White Stripes. I totally agree. This prompted me to post some strong similarities I see with songs on Icky Thump and other songs:
First, "Icky Thump" guitar riffs sound an awful lot like "Black Dog" by Led Zeppelin (and they share similar tales of tables being turned, too). I instantly thought this the first time I heard Icky Thump.
Second, "Rag and Bone" reminds me of "Cheap Sunglasses" by ZZ top.
Third, it sounds like Jack ripped off his own stuff (if that is possible) in "300 mph Torrential Outpour Blues". The guitar riff is almost identical to one in "Portland" by Loretta Lynn (and its music definitely worth repeating).
Fourth, "Effect and Cause" by the White Stripes and "Summertime Blues" by the Who are similar in the melody for the lines "You can't take the Effect and make it the Cause" and "But there ain't no cure for the Summertime Blues"
There are others but I would like to hear what other people think. Do you think the White Stripes purposely ripped off other artists' melodies/ideas/riffs? ...They are junk collectors in "Rag and Bone" and love to be a part of a traditional of passing along great music!
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of those songs, because they aren't.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of those songs, because they aren't.
On a side note, Tom Petty's "Last Dance" is more similar to Neil Young's "Ohio" than the Stripes' "Martyr for My Love" is to either of them. (Of course they might have been...
On a side note, Tom Petty's "Last Dance" is more similar to Neil Young's "Ohio" than the Stripes' "Martyr for My Love" is to either of them. (Of course they might have been an inspiration, but neither of us could possibly know since the similarity is rudimentary at best).
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of the songs you mentioned. I'm not saying Jack didn't nick a riff or two from elsewhere for his songs, but the similarities between your mentions is rudimentary at best and not really worthy of comparison.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of the songs you mentioned. I'm not saying Jack didn't nick a riff or two from elsewhere for his songs, but the similarities between your mentions is rudimentary at best and not really worthy of comparison.
On a side...
On a side note, Tom Petty's "Last Dance" is more similar to Neil Young's "Ohio" than the Stripes' "Martyr for My Love" is to either of them.
Having said that, folk and blues does have a tradition of re-using melodies, phrases, imagery and whatnot (something the White Stripes and Jack have obviously continued doing) so I think your interpretation of Rag and Bone as being about that does indeed sound valid.
Mikemat5150 noticed the parallels between Tom Petty's "Last Dance with Mary Jane" and "A Martyr for My Love for You" by the White Stripes. I totally agree. This prompted me to post some strong similarities I see with songs on Icky Thump and other songs:
First, "Icky Thump" guitar riffs sound an awful lot like "Black Dog" by Led Zeppelin (and they share similar tales of tables being turned, too). I instantly thought this the first time I heard Icky Thump.
Second, "Rag and Bone" reminds me of "Cheap Sunglasses" by ZZ top.
Third, it sounds like Jack ripped off his own stuff (if that is possible) in "300 mph Torrential Outpour Blues". The guitar riff is almost identical to one in "Portland" by Loretta Lynn (and its music definitely worth repeating).
Fourth, "Effect and Cause" by the White Stripes and "Summertime Blues" by the Who are similar in the melody for the lines "You can't take the Effect and make it the Cause" and "But there ain't no cure for the Summertime Blues"
There are others but I would like to hear what other people think. Do you think the White Stripes purposely ripped off other artists' melodies/ideas/riffs? ...They are junk collectors in "Rag and Bone" and love to be a part of a traditional of passing along great music!
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of those songs, because they aren't.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of those songs, because they aren't.
On a side note, Tom Petty's "Last Dance" is more similar to Neil Young's "Ohio" than the Stripes' "Martyr for My Love" is to either of them. (Of course they might have been...
On a side note, Tom Petty's "Last Dance" is more similar to Neil Young's "Ohio" than the Stripes' "Martyr for My Love" is to either of them. (Of course they might have been an inspiration, but neither of us could possibly know since the similarity is rudimentary at best).
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
I definitely agree about Effect and Cause/Summertime Blues (orig. by Eddie Cochran), but the rest of your comparisons are way off.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of the songs you mentioned. I'm not saying Jack didn't nick a riff or two from elsewhere for his songs, but the similarities between your mentions is rudimentary at best and not really worthy of comparison.
While I can see and appreciate that those songs and artists have had an influence on the White Stripes in general, none of the specific Stripes songs could be called a rip off or reworking of the same melodies of the songs you mentioned. I'm not saying Jack didn't nick a riff or two from elsewhere for his songs, but the similarities between your mentions is rudimentary at best and not really worthy of comparison.
On a side...
On a side note, Tom Petty's "Last Dance" is more similar to Neil Young's "Ohio" than the Stripes' "Martyr for My Love" is to either of them.
Having said that, folk and blues does have a tradition of re-using melodies, phrases, imagery and whatnot (something the White Stripes and Jack have obviously continued doing) so I think your interpretation of Rag and Bone as being about that does indeed sound valid.