Yeah, yeah. Before you yell at me to read all the previous messages, I have. But no one's really delved too deep into the story, and plenty of people have gotten it wrong.
It all begins on Long Island, back when Jesse Lacey was actually a member of the original TBS lineup, when they had a lead singer by the name of Antonio. In fact, if you find some of their old demos (most noticeable in "Go On"), you can hear Jesse doing the background singing/screaming.
However, things fell apart when Jesse's girlfriend cheated on him with John. Jesse left, formed Brand New wrote "Seventy Times Seven" (the title is meant to be ironic, because the song isn't about forgiveness at all). Meanwhile, TBS found Adam Lazzarra to replace Jesse on bass, but he was soon bumped up to lead vocals when Antonio left.
John, with Adam, wrote "There's No I in Team" in response to Jesse's "Seventy Times Seven." If you're saying otherwise, better look at the lyrics: lines throughout TBS's diss are lined with lyrics from songs all over Brand New's first album. Most noticeably is the mocking line, "Is that what you call tact? I swear you're subtle as a brick in the small of my back." (proof that this is the response song: John sings "That's right, he said it" after aforementiond line).
Also taken from Seventy Times Seven: John counter's Jesse's line "Back in school they never taught us what we needed to know, like how to deal with despair or someone breaking your heart" with "Everything I know about breaking hearts I learned from you." And of course, John tells Jesse what "Best friends means."
In addition to that, lyrics are taken from all over Brand New's album. Including "I've got a twenty dollar bill that you're up late night starting fist fights vs. the fences" ("I've got a twenty dollar bill no one's ever seen you without makeup." from BN's "Mix Tape") and "Broken Down in bars and bathrooms" ("Broken down from the bikes and bars" in BN's Soco Amaretto Lime"). Also, in BN's Sudden Death in Carolina, Jesse sings about "waking up with a shiner" (a black eye), and John sings about him "wearing his black eye like a badge of honor."
I'm sure there are more hidden references as well. Major kudos to the person who found the "Of Mice and Men" allusion.
But anyways, after TBS put their first album out, Jesse and John made up and everything was cool and they went on tour and did the song together. Or so the story goes. As one previous commenter mentioned, TBS guitarist Eddie Reyes said that the story's "bullshit," but it's kinda hard to believe there's nothing at all that connects the two songs so deeply.
And then, John left TBS (rumors say due to Adam's rocky relationship with his sister, Michelle Nolan) and bass player Shaun Cooper left with him. Jesse sided with John when the split happened. And if you listen to TBS's Where You Want To Be, some of the songs are very obviously stabs at Stralight Run and Jesse. Pretty cool stuff.
@noseovertail711 Best story giver of the situation that I've read. Thanks so much. Yeah, I believe John even came forth to tell a little bit of his story about it. So Eddie saying that must be a PR stunt or something.
@noseovertail711 Best story giver of the situation that I've read. Thanks so much. Yeah, I believe John even came forth to tell a little bit of his story about it. So Eddie saying that must be a PR stunt or something.
Yeah, yeah. Before you yell at me to read all the previous messages, I have. But no one's really delved too deep into the story, and plenty of people have gotten it wrong.
It all begins on Long Island, back when Jesse Lacey was actually a member of the original TBS lineup, when they had a lead singer by the name of Antonio. In fact, if you find some of their old demos (most noticeable in "Go On"), you can hear Jesse doing the background singing/screaming.
However, things fell apart when Jesse's girlfriend cheated on him with John. Jesse left, formed Brand New wrote "Seventy Times Seven" (the title is meant to be ironic, because the song isn't about forgiveness at all). Meanwhile, TBS found Adam Lazzarra to replace Jesse on bass, but he was soon bumped up to lead vocals when Antonio left.
John, with Adam, wrote "There's No I in Team" in response to Jesse's "Seventy Times Seven." If you're saying otherwise, better look at the lyrics: lines throughout TBS's diss are lined with lyrics from songs all over Brand New's first album. Most noticeably is the mocking line, "Is that what you call tact? I swear you're subtle as a brick in the small of my back." (proof that this is the response song: John sings "That's right, he said it" after aforementiond line).
Also taken from Seventy Times Seven: John counter's Jesse's line "Back in school they never taught us what we needed to know, like how to deal with despair or someone breaking your heart" with "Everything I know about breaking hearts I learned from you." And of course, John tells Jesse what "Best friends means."
In addition to that, lyrics are taken from all over Brand New's album. Including "I've got a twenty dollar bill that you're up late night starting fist fights vs. the fences" ("I've got a twenty dollar bill no one's ever seen you without makeup." from BN's "Mix Tape") and "Broken Down in bars and bathrooms" ("Broken down from the bikes and bars" in BN's Soco Amaretto Lime"). Also, in BN's Sudden Death in Carolina, Jesse sings about "waking up with a shiner" (a black eye), and John sings about him "wearing his black eye like a badge of honor."
I'm sure there are more hidden references as well. Major kudos to the person who found the "Of Mice and Men" allusion.
But anyways, after TBS put their first album out, Jesse and John made up and everything was cool and they went on tour and did the song together. Or so the story goes. As one previous commenter mentioned, TBS guitarist Eddie Reyes said that the story's "bullshit," but it's kinda hard to believe there's nothing at all that connects the two songs so deeply.
And then, John left TBS (rumors say due to Adam's rocky relationship with his sister, Michelle Nolan) and bass player Shaun Cooper left with him. Jesse sided with John when the split happened. And if you listen to TBS's Where You Want To Be, some of the songs are very obviously stabs at Stralight Run and Jesse. Pretty cool stuff.
@noseovertail711 Best story giver of the situation that I've read. Thanks so much. Yeah, I believe John even came forth to tell a little bit of his story about it. So Eddie saying that must be a PR stunt or something.
@noseovertail711 Best story giver of the situation that I've read. Thanks so much. Yeah, I believe John even came forth to tell a little bit of his story about it. So Eddie saying that must be a PR stunt or something.