I agree with alot of the things being said. Where I've never heard the Anne Frank thing before (although it sounds familar so I'm sure someone told me in passing) I get the main ideas in the song and feel they're simalar...
It seems the first verse is as someone earlier said, just little kids playing make believe, however I don't think many serious song writters, especially those as good as Jeff Mangum would have anything with out a specific reason so I'm still open to interpretation there. I think part of it is escapism, so that it could be a little kids but others who aren't young can relate... it's escaping from the "realities" of life where you really can believe you are the king of carrot flowers. I think "king" and building a "tower" is used to offer some control over something, even if it's make believe, when in the "real world" they don't have control over anything.
"And your mom would stick a fork right into daddy's shoulder
And your dad would throw the garbage all across the floor
As we would lay and learn what each other's bodies were for "
This is one of the first things that grabbed my attention, it's very beautiful and eerie. Especially the concludion of "learn what each other's bodies were fore" because from the first two lines, where the parents are obviously unhappy and fighting to the point that they're fighting, you'd the the "children" (or just the speaker) would learn this violence because that's how they see bodies being used, however with this other person, his/her friend, they lay and learn separatly from the parents.
"And this is the room
One afternoon I knew I could love you
And from above you how I sank into your soul
Into that secret place where no one dares to go"
From above you how I sank into your soul into that secret place where no one dares to go is an absolutely amazing line. Yes, it is obviously sexual...from above sinking into that secret place, that an the earlier line about learning what each others bodies were for show that these "friends" have a discovering phyical relationship and I think it's important and wonderful when you think about us as human being, it's what we do, we are physical people and touching another person in this way is what we were made for and as much as our souls crave fulfilment I believe our bodies do too. (If you contrast this to song against sex, you'll see the important differences in the way sex is discribed...something beautiful when there is love or care involved, and something crude when it is with out)
And then the emotional aspect of sharing souls, that secret place where no one dares to go is the emotional intimacy that can be very scary. Very few people really 'know' each other like that, very few dare to go there, but that afternoon where he knew he could love her...that intimacy comes from this beautiful love...
...this beautiful love within a world, their world, or any world that can seem so depressing and violent. (Another way I can see that this song could most definetly be based on Anne Frank)
"And dad would dream of all the different ways to die
Each one a little more than he could dare to try'
Another very eerie and beautiful line in the song... it seems outright depressing and in way it is, but with the last line their is a little glimmer of hope, although it depends on how you look at it.
Obviously the "parents" (or whatever they may represent) are the saddest most broken characters in this song that on a literal level serve as a contrast to the friends. Though the dad is a very sad and broken man who dreams of all the different ways to die, each one is a little more than he could dare to try... it is not human nature to kill oneself. If you try to hold your breath, you will pass out and start breathing again before you could suffocate yourself. The dad dreams of these ways he would never dare to try because he doesn't really want to die. Maybe he feels this was but what he would probably really prefer would be to see the beauty that the "children" see, and have the world be the beautiful place they escape to instead of the grim reality of the situation before them.
Very nicely it shows that love can spring in any situation. So there's hope. Beautiful song!
I agree with alot of the things being said. Where I've never heard the Anne Frank thing before (although it sounds familar so I'm sure someone told me in passing) I get the main ideas in the song and feel they're simalar...
It seems the first verse is as someone earlier said, just little kids playing make believe, however I don't think many serious song writters, especially those as good as Jeff Mangum would have anything with out a specific reason so I'm still open to interpretation there. I think part of it is escapism, so that it could be a little kids but others who aren't young can relate... it's escaping from the "realities" of life where you really can believe you are the king of carrot flowers. I think "king" and building a "tower" is used to offer some control over something, even if it's make believe, when in the "real world" they don't have control over anything.
"And your mom would stick a fork right into daddy's shoulder And your dad would throw the garbage all across the floor As we would lay and learn what each other's bodies were for "
This is one of the first things that grabbed my attention, it's very beautiful and eerie. Especially the concludion of "learn what each other's bodies were fore" because from the first two lines, where the parents are obviously unhappy and fighting to the point that they're fighting, you'd the the "children" (or just the speaker) would learn this violence because that's how they see bodies being used, however with this other person, his/her friend, they lay and learn separatly from the parents.
"And this is the room One afternoon I knew I could love you And from above you how I sank into your soul Into that secret place where no one dares to go"
From above you how I sank into your soul into that secret place where no one dares to go is an absolutely amazing line. Yes, it is obviously sexual...from above sinking into that secret place, that an the earlier line about learning what each others bodies were for show that these "friends" have a discovering phyical relationship and I think it's important and wonderful when you think about us as human being, it's what we do, we are physical people and touching another person in this way is what we were made for and as much as our souls crave fulfilment I believe our bodies do too. (If you contrast this to song against sex, you'll see the important differences in the way sex is discribed...something beautiful when there is love or care involved, and something crude when it is with out)
And then the emotional aspect of sharing souls, that secret place where no one dares to go is the emotional intimacy that can be very scary. Very few people really 'know' each other like that, very few dare to go there, but that afternoon where he knew he could love her...that intimacy comes from this beautiful love...
...this beautiful love within a world, their world, or any world that can seem so depressing and violent. (Another way I can see that this song could most definetly be based on Anne Frank)
"And dad would dream of all the different ways to die Each one a little more than he could dare to try'
Another very eerie and beautiful line in the song... it seems outright depressing and in way it is, but with the last line their is a little glimmer of hope, although it depends on how you look at it.
Obviously the "parents" (or whatever they may represent) are the saddest most broken characters in this song that on a literal level serve as a contrast to the friends. Though the dad is a very sad and broken man who dreams of all the different ways to die, each one is a little more than he could dare to try... it is not human nature to kill oneself. If you try to hold your breath, you will pass out and start breathing again before you could suffocate yourself. The dad dreams of these ways he would never dare to try because he doesn't really want to die. Maybe he feels this was but what he would probably really prefer would be to see the beauty that the "children" see, and have the world be the beautiful place they escape to instead of the grim reality of the situation before them.
Very nicely it shows that love can spring in any situation. So there's hope. Beautiful song!
amen.
amen.
@RainSong i know this comment is ancient by internet standards, but man is this beautifully written.
@RainSong i know this comment is ancient by internet standards, but man is this beautifully written.