Hey guys, awesome interpretations so far. Again this is everyone's THOUGHTS, so if I seem to dis anyone or anything by what I say, nothin bad intended. I think it's great seein what other people think. Anyway, on to the interpretation. To begin with, I wanna clear up an earlier post. Colsy said the title was pronounced "Lateral-Us" (A mistake i made too for a long time) but it's really pronounced "Ladder-alice" (say it and it makes sense, i found this in the FAQ from toolshed.net). Instead of "Side of Us", i think the song deals with lateral parts (the bigger picture, as maynard put it). Anyway, it deals with the ability to have a physical life, as well as a spiritual one (In whatever god you chose to believe in). "Black then white are all i see in my infancy" (at birth and early on you only see what's plain to the human eye, the physical side of life) "Red and yellow came to be, reaching out for me" (how spiritual feelings creep up after sometime, and almost seem to make you realize a new side of life)
To keep from breaking down every line in the song (like i did on "the grudge") i'll just say that the next section deals with testing spiritual life (pushin that envelope, watching it bend, almost to see how far it will go). spiritual life takes you 'beyond the lines of reason'.
Yet he retracts these statements by talking about "OVER thinking, and OVER analyzing" (saying that there is a balance in spirit and body, don't push either ot the extreme, because you'll become separate humans, leading a LATERAL life) Then he speaks about reaching out to embrace the random.... possibly spiritual meaning saying that he holds on to a belief hoping that he can eventually find truth in it. The next part seems to be my strongest point of backing. he speaks about how he has the desire to do all of these wonderful (spiritual and physical) things, and he sums it all up by saying "swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human" (think about it... the lateral lives of body and spirit NEVER have to each other, they can stay completely separate, but he longs to bring them together, to SPIRAL them, and make such a connection to feel DIVINE but remain a HUMAN.)
Next he backs my statement again. He speaks of 'keeping his feet on the ground', yet he also talks about an enlightenment of somekind 'opening wide to suck it in and feeling it move across his skin'. He wants that connection of body and spirit, as everyone does. He'll continue to connect the 2 to push the boundaries and enlighten himself "Spiral out, keep going...."
And interpretation is now done, thanks for botherin to read this terribly long post (as are all of mine, sorry bout that). Anyway, continue writin posts, i love to read em, and again this is only my opinion. Later...
i like your interpretation, its along the same lines of what i would have said, just thought id add a few of my thoughts to it.
i like your interpretation, its along the same lines of what i would have said, just thought id add a few of my thoughts to it.
i think "over thinking over analyzing seperates the body from the mind" could mean that as we grow and become more exposed to the logical scientific side of things we lose touch of our spiritual side
i think "over thinking over analyzing seperates the body from the mind" could mean that as we grow and become more exposed to the logical scientific side of things we lose touch of our spiritual side
also i think " swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human" could refer to drunvalo mechizedeks theory of chromosones, we have 44&2 at the moment but as we become more intouch...
also i think " swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human" could refer to drunvalo mechizedeks theory of chromosones, we have 44&2 at the moment but as we become more intouch with our spiritual side we gain another 2 chromosones which makes us 46&2 like the other Tool song forty six & 2. these extra 2 cromosones make us divine but the other 44 chromosones are still there which are what makes us human.
I agree with Mediumcore0Tool0Fan when he says he had a Forty Six & 2 moment. I also had a Forty Six & 2 moment. Beyond that, I also came to many of the conclusions madson4562 did. You both created a wonderful interpretation of this song. thumbs up
I agree with Mediumcore0Tool0Fan when he says he had a Forty Six & 2 moment. I also had a Forty Six & 2 moment. Beyond that, I also came to many of the conclusions madson4562 did. You both created a wonderful interpretation of this song. thumbs up
Great work Guys Just want u all to see this VId ...... This is the Biggest shock Of My LIFE ....... This song is Mathematically Related as well!!!! & this Vid Proves it!
Great work Guys Just want u all to see this VId ...... This is the Biggest shock Of My LIFE ....... This song is Mathematically Related as well!!!! & this Vid Proves it!
This is one of the most brilliant songs ever written. Like a complex novel, it operates on many levels, but the central theme of the song is evolution, both personal and on the grand scale. First we'll examine the music itself. Note that in the beginning the background beats/rhythms sound almost like a bubbling swamp, which is the source of life. As the song progresses, those rhythms become more tribal, then more mechanical, till near the end we hear what sounds like robots in a factory. Thus, the music is about the evolution of the human species to the point where we are either replaced by machines or become machines ourselves.
Now, the lyrics reinforce this theme on a few ways. The song starts out: "Black then white are all I see in my infancy, red and yellow then came to be reaching out to me, let's me see." On a very literal level this is exactly how vision evolves in each human. Babies see in black and white, with their ability to distinguish colors arising as they age. But this is also true of the human species in a philosophical and spiritual sense. Edward O. Wilson has written about how the most primitive tribes have words only for black and white; the next most advanced tribes have words for red and yellow, on up to the point where we recognize there is a near infinite color spectrum, which the most advanced cultures recognize. Thus, the most morally developed beings recognize that issues can never be easily divided into black and white; that's much too simplistic. There are, of course, people who still see moral issues in black and white, but they are throwbacks to our primitive heritage. So as technology advances, if we do not evolve morally too, we lose our connection to nature more and more and become little more than machines. Computers too view things in simplistic black and white terms (or bits and bytes if you prefer).
Thus, in that context the song is about personal growth--spiritually, morally, and philosophically speaking. when Maynard sings about pushing the envelope, he is saying that he is attempting to push beyond the 2-dimensional mores and prudish religious nonsense that still holds us back as a culture. True spiritual growth cannot come from without; it must come from within, and no one else can define what is right or wrong for you. In that sense this sing is kind of a companion piece to Hermann Hesse's novel 'Demian.'
As the song approaches its denouement, Maynard approaches something on the order of mystical ecstasy and again the music reinforces the lyrics. Note how the pitch of Maynard's voice, moving up and down rhythmically, compliments the "spiral out" he's singing about. He leaves the rest ambiguous. What lies beyond the simplistic black & white world we live in? Who knows? But the point is, we must push ahead anyway, no matter what, because the alternative is that we're no better than the machines we build to labor for us. We MUST stop looking at the world as if it can be divided into easy categories. The truth is never that simple. We may not like what we find as we move on; nevertheless, we advance or we die, spiritually speaking.
VERY nice, except when you spoke thru your skinny arse: "he is saying that he is attempting to push beyond the 2-dimensional mores and prudish religious nonsense that still holds us back as a culture." Please enlighten the masses on how we are a "prudish" society that is held back. LOL. Due to all our freedoms, we have a lovely share of disease; abortion; adultry; greed; sloth; theft; lonliness; addiction; etc. Seems to me we haven't been held back, but would be much better off if we had some restraint, which God has suggested (and shown to be good...
VERY nice, except when you spoke thru your skinny arse: "he is saying that he is attempting to push beyond the 2-dimensional mores and prudish religious nonsense that still holds us back as a culture." Please enlighten the masses on how we are a "prudish" society that is held back. LOL. Due to all our freedoms, we have a lovely share of disease; abortion; adultry; greed; sloth; theft; lonliness; addiction; etc. Seems to me we haven't been held back, but would be much better off if we had some restraint, which God has suggested (and shown to be good for us). We just never listen, and I gather that Maynard embraced the "mystical" too much...and probably the booze.
God does not exist, at least not in any form that can be quantified. The fact that a large part of society still hasn't accepted this fact is the source of much conflict. How many modern wars do you know of that don't have religion or ideology at the heart of them? Anyway, the vices you list have always existed, even under the theocratic rule of the Church. Read your history. These things will always exist because we are animals at heart and have animal needs.
God does not exist, at least not in any form that can be quantified. The fact that a large part of society still hasn't accepted this fact is the source of much conflict. How many modern wars do you know of that don't have religion or ideology at the heart of them? Anyway, the vices you list have always existed, even under the theocratic rule of the Church. Read your history. These things will always exist because we are animals at heart and have animal needs.
Moreover, you misunderstand my point. I am not saying the song justifies an...
Moreover, you misunderstand my point. I am not saying the song justifies an 'anything goes for everyone' society; I certainly don't. What the song is saying, I think (and I agree with this), is that everyone must find his own path to inner balance and enlightenment. There is no one-size-fits-all spirituality or morality, and the fact that we still have all these organized religions telling us we have to live such-and-such a way and tons of stupid laws against victimless crimes demonstrates that we ARE still being held back. Not everyone can use drugs without becoming addicted, but some people can and can find enlightenment that way. And too many people are still judgmental about alternative sexualities, lifestyles, etc. That social judgment and cultural disapproval does hold some people back, because believe it or not, not everyone is apathetic enough not to care what society thinks of them and thus sadly never reach their full potential.
Perhaps I am speaking out of my "skinny arse" and perhaps not. This site solicits opinions about the meanings of song lyrics. I gave mine. That you replied so obnoxiously is precisely what I've come to expect from so-called religious people and merely reinforces my point about who is truly enlightened and who isn't.
Starwatcher, thank you for such an intricate analysis, I never considered this song as you describe. However, despite religious beliefs or societal adherence to moral restrictions, are you suggesting abandonment of reason as being the evolutionary culprit of advancement? I would consider the ability to reason and a precise evaluation of consequences rendered from erroneous actions to be responsible for progress and not for the mere persuit of. Your synopsis of the linguistic element is profound and definitely a big high five, but also it is thought that the discovery of fire by our primitive ancestors actually is responsible for...
Starwatcher, thank you for such an intricate analysis, I never considered this song as you describe. However, despite religious beliefs or societal adherence to moral restrictions, are you suggesting abandonment of reason as being the evolutionary culprit of advancement? I would consider the ability to reason and a precise evaluation of consequences rendered from erroneous actions to be responsible for progress and not for the mere persuit of. Your synopsis of the linguistic element is profound and definitely a big high five, but also it is thought that the discovery of fire by our primitive ancestors actually is responsible for increasing the size of the brain as artifacts of both validate the time line. Would this be a homonoid seeking progress, or using or using reason? More an example of revolutionizing the envelope secondary to utilization via reason and not the pushit approach the arrived us to present day, but just a thought. Thanks for a conjurinistic view for a very merry Christmas! ;)
P.S. conjurinistic isn't a word, but sure sounds nice...LOL.
This song is a true work of art, something that the band want it to be seen as annd someting that i think is the most beautiful song ever written. Does anyone care if it is just under 10 minutes long?
Part of the reason I believe this song is so beautiful is due to the fact that it is MATHmatically pleasing to the ear. Yet more proof that MJK is an absolute genius. If you listen to the first stanza of this song, the syllables of the lyrics follow the Fibonacci sequence (1,1,2,3,5,8) and then back down from 8 (5,3).
Part of the reason I believe this song is so beautiful is due to the fact that it is MATHmatically pleasing to the ear. Yet more proof that MJK is an absolute genius. If you listen to the first stanza of this song, the syllables of the lyrics follow the Fibonacci sequence (1,1,2,3,5,8) and then back down from 8 (5,3).
Red(1 syl.) then(1) white are(2) all I see(3) in my infancy(5) red and yellow then came to be(8) reaching out to me(5) let's me see(3)
Red(1 syl.) then(1) white are(2) all I see(3) in my infancy(5) red and yellow then came to be(8) reaching out to me(5) let's me see(3)
There are also other instances throughout the song, regarding math references to the Fibonacci sequence. Mainly, they...
There are also other instances throughout the song, regarding math references to the Fibonacci sequence. Mainly, they are referenced through time signatures.
Just for thought. I thought that was pretty amazing.
I dont agree on it being the most beautiful song ever writte, but it is damn good, and bloody ingenius. Kudos on the lyrics. :)
I dont agree on it being the most beautiful song ever writte, but it is damn good, and bloody ingenius. Kudos on the lyrics. :)
If it was any longer or any shorter it wouldn't be Lateralus.
If it was any longer or any shorter it wouldn't be Lateralus.
In my humble opinion it is certainly the best overall song ever written (not including classical music which doesn't count).
In my humble opinion it is certainly the best overall song ever written (not including classical music which doesn't count).
Ultimate matching of lyrics and transcendental message with ascending riffs that send shivers down my spine every time. As for it being mathematically correct, with Fibonacci sequence etc, well jesus christ, i didn't know that, but it makes sense.
Ultimate matching of lyrics and transcendental message with ascending riffs that send shivers down my spine every time. As for it being mathematically correct, with Fibonacci sequence etc, well jesus christ, i didn't know that, but it makes sense.
Black, white, red and green are the colours given by Buddhists for the 4 directions of their spiritual world. Black and white represent our realm, basically good vs evil, green and yellow are the higher and lower realms, gods vs demons (give them what names you will).
Understand that and read the rest of the song and its message will become alot clearer.
got a link to the Buddhist color reference?
got a link to the Buddhist color reference?
To me, the song is simply about appriciating life for what it is, and enjoying it. Lets take a look...
"Black then white are all I see in my infancy. red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me. lets me see." Anyone else notice that the colors mentioned are the traditional "skin tones?" What does that have to do with it? I'm not sure.
"As below, so above and beyond, I imagine drawn beyond the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend." In other words, open your eyes to other possibilities... what you don't see. What you can't see.
"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines." Don't think... feel. Don't stay within the boundaries of society. This song means a LOT to me... so much that I can't put it into words.
"Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line. Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come" Take things as they are.
"I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human." Like I said... its about appriciating life.
"With my feet upon the ground I lose myself between the sounds and open wide to suck it in, I feel it move across my skin. I'm reaching up and reaching out, I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me. And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." Extra sensory... senses. Sense your enviornment. Simple, yet so very complex. Branch out... SPIRAL out.
"Black then white are all I see in my infancy. red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me. lets me see."
"Black then white are all I see in my infancy. red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me. lets me see."
You may wish to consider this in terms of the development of the primate visual processing systems.
You may wish to consider this in terms of the development of the primate visual processing systems.
Black and white (no color) Red and yellow (the earliest colors we monkeys could see)
Black and white (no color) Red and yellow (the earliest colors we monkeys could see)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=evolution-of-primate-color-vision
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=evolution-of-primate-color-vision
The "infinite possibilities" would be a reference to the entire light spectrum.
The "infinite possibilities" would be a reference to the entire light spectrum.
That makes sense; this song may then be about the next step in the human evolutionary line, involving even greater capacities for perception and consciousness. Same overall message, then, as Forty-Six and 2.
That makes sense; this song may then be about the next step in the human evolutionary line, involving even greater capacities for perception and consciousness. Same overall message, then, as Forty-Six and 2.
Amazing, man. I've always wondered what this song is about and I don't think i would have ever come up with that kind of explanation but it makes so much sense. In addition, I believe he's just talking about having a spiritual connection while in this physical world.
Amazing, man. I've always wondered what this song is about and I don't think i would have ever come up with that kind of explanation but it makes so much sense. In addition, I believe he's just talking about having a spiritual connection while in this physical world.
This song is a description of a mystical experience.
"Black then white are all I see in my infancy. Red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me. Lets me see." As infants, we are only capable of seeing black and white before we become capable of seeing color. Likewise, as we mature spiritually we become capable of perceiving different aspects of reality that were previously completely unknown and unimaginable to us. A mystical experience is so alien to the everyday experiences of most people that describing it analogous to describing color to a colorblind person. Even if they can intellectually understand it, they can never truly "know" color without direct experience. Neither can anyone truly "know" divinity with a mere intellectual understanding of it.
"As below, so above and beyond, I imagine Drawn beyond the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend." In esoteric traditions "As above, so below" is an extremely famous phrase referring to the concept that the microcosm of the human is a representation of the macrocosm of the universe and vice versa; therefore through understanding one you understand the other. This is not a concept that can be rationally understood, hence it is "drawn beyond the lines of reason." It can only be accurately perceived when the rational mind is pushed to its breaking point, when it can be transcended.
"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines." The rational mind can only exist in a dualistic world, i.e. a world where subject and object, or the knower and the known, are separated. This duality is an illusion that is fooling the narrator, who must strengthen his will to see through the illusion.
"Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line. Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come." It takes a tremendous amount of willpower to cross the line from duality to unity. The individual never really knows what to expect when their ego becomes purified and they can perceive the infinite.
"I embrace my desire to Feel the rhythm, to feel connected Enough to step aside and weep like a widow To feel inspired, to fathom the power, To witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, To swing on the spiral Of our divinity and still be a human." This is the desire for liberation from the chains of worldly existence, or to experience the Mystical unity of the universe. The joy of this unity is enough to make the narrator cry. "The power," "the beauty," "the fountain," and "the spiral" are descriptions of divinity. "The fountain" probably refers to the fountain of life, while spirals are filled with esoteric significance relating to the golden ratio and DNA.
"With my feet upon the ground I lose myself Between the sounds and open wide to suck it in, I feel it move across my skin. I'm reaching up and reaching out, I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me. And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." After this mystical experience, the narrator's desire to reach even further into to fabric of reality is intensified and they assert their intention to continue their spiritual evolution to its conclusion.
This was awesome. Thanks.
This was awesome. Thanks.
I suspect the "black and white" also represent the hermetic concepts of negredo and albedo. The seeker is first fused with a polluting influence, typically envisioned as a whore, and later with a pure and virginal influence, The path requires carnal love and purely romantic love; the juxtaposition allows the seeker to discern that love is merely a projection of the self.
I suspect the "black and white" also represent the hermetic concepts of negredo and albedo. The seeker is first fused with a polluting influence, typically envisioned as a whore, and later with a pure and virginal influence, The path requires carnal love and purely romantic love; the juxtaposition allows the seeker to discern that love is merely a projection of the self.
Following these two phases of spiritual development, the initiate undergoes two more: xanthosis (a yellowing) and rubido (reddening). The latter represents rebirth.
Following these two phases of spiritual development, the initiate undergoes two more: xanthosis (a yellowing) and rubido (reddening). The latter represents rebirth.
The Harry Potter children's book series is also a spiritual guide book that...
The Harry Potter children's book series is also a spiritual guide book that follows the same principles.
i love this song. and i dont want to sound like a .... but the title is LateralUs ... it was a printing mistake. I read it at toolband.com several weeks ago.
Yeah, you're right, it was supped to be LateralUs, but the company that was printing the cover fucked up. Oh well, atleast you know :)
Yeah, you're right, it was supped to be LateralUs, but the company that was printing the cover fucked up. Oh well, atleast you know :)
Wow didnt know that.
Wow didnt know that.
i love this song so much.....at the peak of the song towards the end i get tingles up my spine everytime i hear it.....one of tools best....
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I know exactly which part you mean because it affects me the same way. :)
I know exactly which part you mean because it affects me the same way. :)
Say what you will but to me it almost inspires tears. Sometimes I even tear up when hearing it. It's so freaking awesome!
Say what you will but to me it almost inspires tears. Sometimes I even tear up when hearing it. It's so freaking awesome!
I think this song is about how if you think too much you lose touch with your intuition, emotional and spiritual side. This song has helped me alot. I wrote an essay about how it compares to the book "The Master and His Emissary", which is about how in Western society we overuse the right hemisphere of our brains (the logical side) at the expense of our left hemisphere (the emotional and spiritual side). Here's my interpretation.
"Black then white are all I see in my infancy": I saw things in a simple, inaccurate way, thanks partly to my society favouring the use of the right hemisphere of the brain. "Red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me, lets me see": I began to see subtlety and complexity in life after I began to use my left hemisphere more.
"As below so above and beyond I Imagine": a reference the Hermetic philosophy, patterns we notice on Earth can be extrapolated to apply to higher dimensions "Drawn beyond the lines of reason ...": Rational thinking has its own limits, for example logic can't justify the use of logic or give you a purpose for living. Life with only logic is empty, cold and meaningless.
"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind": Over use of the right hemisphere of the brain weakens your connection to the left hemisphere. "Withering my intuition": If you can't use your left hemisphere then you don't have access to intuition and creativity. "And I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines": Will power probably comes from the left hemisphere, it is the "Master" and the right hemisphere is its "Emissary" because only the left hemisphere can answer the question "Why?", to the right hemisphere everything is just a task to complete.
"There is so much more, and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities": There's alot of life experience I'm missing out on by not using my left hemisphere enough.
"Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.": Staying in the same old thinking patterns isn't going to lead me to new experiences. "Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.": Emotions, intuition and new experiences are random, I have to be okay with that if I want to live life to the fullest.
And the rest of the song is how he feels once he has embraced his left hemisphere, his life feels more meaningful and less monotonous.
Glad someone could put it into words. Well done.
Glad someone could put it into words. Well done.
Actually the left hemisphere is the "logical" side, and it isn't actually the logical side persay, that's a misinterpretation of how the brain works.
Actually the left hemisphere is the "logical" side, and it isn't actually the logical side persay, that's a misinterpretation of how the brain works.
@ISPIRALOUT: thanks! Nice username btw.
@ISPIRALOUT: thanks! Nice username btw.
@Ganondox: you're right, I mixed up left and right, wow that was silly of me. Thanks for pointing it out.
@Ganondox: you're right, I mixed up left and right, wow that was silly of me. Thanks for pointing it out.
On the surface Lateralus is an amazing song in it's own right. The concept of Lateral-us is for an individual to view the themselves laterally - to view the world from outside one's own existence and see the bigger picture. The song uses the concept to "spiral out", to encourage the listener to evolve - to be more humane.
Below the surface is a surprising amount of metaphors and concepts adding much deeper meaning. These include the use of the Fibonacci sequence and references to alchemy as summarised below:
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The fibonacci sequence
- Lyrics are introduced at 1.61... minutes - the golden/divine ration used by part of the Fibonacci sequence and divine proportions.
- The time signatures of the song switch between 9/8, 8/8 and 7/8 - 987 being the 16th step of the Fibonacci sequences.
- The chorus is sung in the pattern of the Fibonacci squence (i.e. 1-1-2-3-5-8-13 and back), noting at times steps are missed - implying some thing is missing.
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Alchemy (Jung) The "Magnum Opus" is the alchemy process for creating the philospher's stone, a substance that can turn lead into gold (ref. to The Grudge). This required both chemical and spiritual aspects. Carl Jung drew on some of these ideas to explain the concept of the individuation process. The colours used in the chorus draw on following Jung concepts:
- Nigredo (black) - Encoutering the unconcious mind
- Albedo (white) - Purification of the unconcious thoughts
- Critrinitas (yellow) - Confronting the Wise old man archetype.
- Rubedo (red) - Discovering the true self
When reviewing these details against the lyrics song adds much more meaning. There is not one meaning to this song, the abstract lyrics will have a personal meaning to each individual. This song simply put is encouraging the listener to strive towards being to being a better person.