Kill The Christian

As for the accusation of arrogance, I don't really see I've made any 'arrogant' statements, unless you're arguing that having any other religious belief other than agnosticism is arrogant. I was joking about being better educated and 'being god', i didn't mean it to be taken literally. as for the crusades, i was just saying what i'd learnt in history class, If it's wrong then i've still covered myself because i said wars are 'rarely, if ever' started for religious reasons which would still be true if you found one religious conflict

saying that atheists aren't necessarily 'nice', was in reference to frozen in fire's point about organised religion being immoral, there is no basis for that belief. And so killing the christian won't bring about world peace, nor will a universal conversion to agnosticism.

I have only 'completely CONTRADICTED' myself if the two phrases i made were mutually exclusive. They aren't. The first one was basically saying (in an unrefuted view) that evolution can't explain moral values, since all movements are necessary motions of atoms, how can you appeal to an invisible 'moral law' that applies in all situations to all people. To be honest, I'm not sure I agree with that(!) because it could be POSSIBLE (though I would argue almost infinitely unlikely) that we could have simply evolved to a level where a 'coincidental' appendage of our brain suddenly gave as a conscience. I'm not actually sure why I made the point about 'moral high ground', I blame sleep-deprivation. so you're not attacking a 'straw man', but i was just really tired (i mean i was feeling ill at the time..)

When i said stalin, i should have said 'stalin et al', as in the sucession of russian communist leaders. The 70 million figure is correct (according to solzhentsyn (wrong spelling) who is probably the most informed source in the world on this). As for the massacres in china, i got that from an television interview with the biographer of Mao, which I'd imagine is probably reliable, apparently the number of deaths has been covered up (interestingly a lot of evolutionary 'science' has been done under communist regimes for propagands purposes and is still used, including the entirely spurious claim about 'primordial soup' which as far as scientists know never existed)). So I haven't actually manipulated statistics, though i apologise for attributing so many to stalin. As for just saying that these were all done by 'fanatics', that firstly would back up my point that organised religion isn't immoral, secondly it doesn't take away the fact that far lesser numbers of atheists, have consistently (there are a lot of these tyrants!), in a far shorter time, managed to kill far more people than christians, which i don't think is a coincidence, thirdly it's ridiculous to blame what happened on a few people, a leader always needs the consent of the public.

I also think that the standard arguments for god above, combined with the three linked arguments for jesus divinity linked below, make it so incredibly unlikely that god could not exist, that you would either have to throw out all the information that you do know to deny them, or else reverse all laws of logic. I honestly fail to see how anyone could not find them utterly compelling, and can only guess that people either have prior conclusions, or fail to read them carefully...

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