Never Win

I was hoping to find a comment in here, since this song is quite confusing for me. I find it quite bitter, saying that no matter what you do you won't succeed in the end... If anyone knows what it is about, please share!

this song to me describes the confusion of not really knowing what you want or what to do, and trying to find hope out of it all. It also describes bitterness in realtionships that brings about this confusion. I love this song great lyrics great sound great band.

technically speaking isnt it like a bunch of dancers and collaborators and stuff now but it started with the duo thing?

I like your interpretation J_P . I think it's about confusion as well...It really sucks, that's why even when I really like this song, it kind of brings me down...I've been there for so long!.

I think it's about the speaker being like "piss off, i know you want to tell me what to do and say and think and feel and how to act, but piss off. i'm better than you"

"it's not a band it's a duo"

oh shut the fuck up already.

good song!

"it's not a band it's a duo"

oh shut the fuck up already.

good song!

To me this song is not about relationship with others. In fact it is very nice lyrics. What

it is about? It is about mind, or you can call it an ego. If you have some knowlege about

nonduality, advaita, or even buddhism (zen) it will help you to understand this.

I don‘t need to need you Tell me what to do Tell me what to say

these verses are addressed to the mind. Everything what you do and say is imposed by the

mind, and one who wants to transcend the mind at first have to rebel against its constant

"help", he have to stop needing it. So author discribes this part of the "path to freedom"

If I was not me I would hate me too Just like you do

You can say that mind who made himself a master hates you, he always tells you that you are

not good enought, that you don't have enought, that you can't be happy as you are right now,

basicly it is constantly making troubles, (and then it tells you what to do and say to get

rid of them)

It‘s all made worse by a simple scheme You‘re slipping away from me

It it all that way by the scheme that assume that you are the person. In fact we are the

persons only in the mind, and you have to hold on to it very hard or otherwise it will slip

away

Can‘t decide sometimes if it‘s worth the point The point is the struggle, insecurity

So for the feeling of being a particular person you have to pay in struggle and insecurity.

Because you have to make this person happy, chase pleasure and avoid pain. And of course

there is this constant factor of insecurity and fear of loss of what you have.

Hopefully, you make no mistake If you learn from what you‘ve got to take Good or bad, it‘s all gonna add up in the end but, You can never win.

This again is to the mind. It shows a healthy approach towards the mind. Mind can learn and

should learn so that it won't produce suffering anymore. But author knows that in the end

all its plans for salvation will fail, and mind will be totally erased by its death. So he

uses it but don't depend on in.

And it‘s the desperation to hold on to Something that can‘t be held on to

mind and its projections are not something that one can hold on to. If one clings to the

dreamworld of the mind his desperation will only grow, and grow. Buddha said that the only

constant thing in the world is change. those verses points to this

So, Don‘t waste your time filling up my words Don‘t tell me why, assume the worst.

Again look at it as it is adressed to this restless, ever anxious mind.

Don‘t thank me, Don‘t tell me how, Don‘t break me down, Don‘t help me make it,

It seems like those words points to the concept of enlightenment. Once mind hears about a

way out of it into freedom, its starts to do its old stuff, telling how it should be done,

trying to help you etc. But author refuse it all. Not only the "bad" side of mind but also the "good" one.

Other song "emerge" from fs it also in this spirit, It tells that you don't have to emerge from

nothingness and become a person and tear away, that you can step back into oneness.

thanks.

it's not a band.. it's a duo