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Marilyn Manson – Tourniquet Lyrics 2 years ago
There is a segment in this song that, when reversed, you can hear "I wanna control her because I am weakened by her."

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Marilyn Manson – Valentine's Day Lyrics 2 years ago
@[nowormatall:10181] I read your analysis after posting mine - seems we agree on a lot of points. :)

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Marilyn Manson – Valentine's Day Lyrics 2 years ago
Firstly, the title - Columbine happened on Valentine's Day. I think we can safely assume that the themes he references in his songs that are more overtly about Columbine can be applied to this song as well. Themes such as death or martyrdom making you famous, Celebretarianism, being heard only after death, the media's exploitation of violence and their subsequent witch hunts, et cetera.

Of course, the most ironic part about the title is that Valentine's day is supposed to be about love, and this song is more about death.

"She was the color of TV
Her mouth curled under like a metal snake
Although Holy Wood was sad
They'd remember this as Valentines day
Flies are waiting"

Honestly, this section kind of confuses me. I don't understand the significance of these lines. I do feel that the first line is very reminiscent of the Mechanical Animals lyrics and themes.

"In the shadow of the valley of death
In the shadow of the valley of death"

This is a play on the Biblical phrase "In the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me". I believe he switched the order to be a more overt reference to the present day Death Valley which is near Hollywood.

"They slit our wrists and send us to heaven"

A reference to death and stardom. They'll kill you, then you'll become a god. You'll be remembered and known even more than what you were when you were alive. Just a reference to the theme of Celebretarianism in general.

"The first flower after the flood"

A reference to the Biblical flood. Noah knew the water level was lowering and land could be reached when a turtledove came back with an olive leaf in it's beak. It is also a reference to the last song in the soundtrack for El Topo by Alejandro Jodorowsky which goes by the same name.

"I saw that pregnant girl today
She didn't know that it was dead inside
Even though it was alive
Some of us are really born to die
Flies are waiting"

I think this is a reference to the boy/worm in ACSS. There are two reasons for that - he mentions that the child is dead inside (a reference to being alive, but dead in sin as Christians like to say), born to die, just like the AntiChrist. Secondly, "Flies are waiting" seems like a blatant reference to Tourniquet where he sings "I never wanted it to ever spoil, but flies will lay their eggs". This may be reaching somewhat, but when flies lay eggs they hatch into maggots (or worms), spoiling the meat. The worms of the flies infected the boy, turning him into a "monster" as referenced in Man That You Fear.

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Marilyn Manson – Man That You Fear Lyrics 2 years ago
@[poopytheclown:10179] I don't agree that the characters from Holy Wood, Mechanical Animals, and Antichrist Superstar are the same. I think it's a triology in the sense that the concepts all relate to eachother and the events in one album lead to the events in the previous album (due to the reverse order). However I think it's a bit of a stretch that all the characters are in fact the same character - there's simply too many different things that happen for it to be believably be the same character. You have two separate revolutions against different things both of which end very descructively, plus the whole Alpha/Omega/Coma storyline. Then again, the band's work was never meant to be realistic so I suppose I can't say that they are for sure not the same character.

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Marilyn Manson – Disposable Teens Lyrics 2 years ago
@[anti_vegan:9300] Sorry, I disagree. I think this song is about how the media treats children as disposable items that they can exploit for money.

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Marilyn Manson – Disposable Teens Lyrics 2 years ago
@[ethong2002:9299] Sorry, I don't agree. I think you're projecting how you feel on the song and latching on to the title . I personally feel you are taking your bitter feelings about how teens (you) are treated and attaching them to this song.

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Marilyn Manson – The Beautiful People Lyrics 2 years ago
@[jason62621:9297] I think this is the greater meaning of the song. Sure, on the surface there are references to Christianity and vanity, but the true point ot the song goes beyond that and is applicable for society, not just a select group of people. I think all of the songs on this album are the same way. There is a surface meaning that calls out specific things and a deeper meaning that everyone is supposed to use to change the way they think and act.

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Marilyn Manson – Tourniquet Lyrics 2 years ago
@[Howl420:9296] This is a concept album which follows a specific storyline. Since the idea of him being a pedophile isn't referenced anywhere else I don't think he is trying to cast the character as a pedophile. However, I do think he very purposely tries to paint a portrait where this creation is very frail and pure, requiring the main character to treat her with gentleness and care, and really helps put the creation on a pedestal. When you watch the music video, the same idea is displayed. I don't think there is any reference at all to the creation being a child - the closest thing there is are the references to innocence and virginity, which can just as easily apply to someone who is not a child. To be honest, I don't think I could listen to this song if it was about a pedophile, that'ts incredibly disgusting

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Marilyn Manson – The Nobodies Lyrics 2 years ago
This has been stated in previous comments but I wanted to put together a concise (whoops, not anymore) summary of both what I feel and others thought.

The main verse section sets the stage for the feelings that the song embodies. Being an outcast, bullied, lonely, that's how the nobody feels. As the days pass by (which is symbolized by the repeats of the verse), the nobody begins to fall spiral deeper and deeper into these feelings resulting in an incredibly bleak outlook on life (Feeling dirty). At first the nobody feels positive that things will change in the future (I want to be pretty) but then those feelings change (wanted to be pretty) as the nobody feels that his case is hopeless. He comes to the conclusion that he will be forever dirt. This state of depression can result in violent behavior, whether it be self harm or the harm of others. I feel Manson is not only referencing Columbine here, but also trying to flesh out how any person who is bullied may feel. They may not take it to the extreme of Columbine, but they may have suicidal thoughts or thoughts of killing others. After spending their whole life beat down, they loose their sense of purpose and feel that the only way they can be heard is to commit violent acts loud enough to catch someone's attention.
The middle section of the song (Starting "Two children died the other day") I believe breaks out of the character of the nobody, and begins a commentary on how Marilyn feels about the state of the media and how it affects the nobodies. The media in all their broadcasting of violence sends the message that doing something loud enough will get you attention from the people around you or even the world, if you are drastic enough. These people have reached a point where they don't care if what they do is seen negatively, they just want to hurt people and be heard. They want to show people that they are so incredibly damaged that they will do whatever it takes to come out on top and be heard (in their eyes). I do not feel that Marilyn is promoting these sorts of actions, but rather bringing to light that he thinks no one should be surprised when it comes to this. I also feel that this song intends to create some sort of awareness of those around you - you never know when someone will snap, and we should all be proactive in listening to others and helping them through the feelings that the nobodies feel.
One motif in this section of the song, the reference of religion with "...and then we prayed" and "puked up and down in morbid faith" is (I think) bringing out the phenomenon where people begin practicing religion only when confronted by death but later forget. Someone dies, they begin to adopt a false sense of religion and pray, then after time passes, they drop it again only to pick it up when another trial is encountered. I think he is trying to point out the hypocrisy in such actions where they seemingly become spiritual to try and look better and cast the blame on others. The media loves to adopt similar practices - not necessarily becoming religious, but acting as though they care on a personal rather than empathetic level about the tragedies that have passed. I am not sure on this though.
Finally, he points out how the TV secretly loves these situations - everyone tunes into the news to learn about the latest development in the tragedy, to get another point to gossip about. The ratings rise. I think this is sort of the punchline of this section. Before, we had this false sense of care from the media for those affected by the tragedy, and now we see the selfishness employed by the media in exploiting these tragedies for money. A media that truly respected those affected by the tragedy wouldn't swoop in to interview the parents of the victims, wouldn't stake out at the funerals of those who died, and wouldn't televise the violent acts. I find their actions incredibly disrespectful and self serving in a time where we should be really evaluating how we can be making a difference to those around us who may be feeling the same way and be inspired in a very morbid sense to do something awful.
Repetition and tense seem to be very purposeful in this song. Since there are so few unique words, I feel that each word matters, and that includes the tense. We can see the progression from hopeful to bleak just by the change of tense in a few lines. The repetition I think really drives home not only that this is something that happens over time, but also has a sense of it happening over and over. There will continue to be occurrences just like Columbine, and chances are the reactions are going to be the same.
I really think that Marilyn Manson's work can be perceived as very dark by people who don't listen to his music closely, and this song is no exception with it's talk of death and depression. However, I feel he writes these songs not to inspire us to go down that same route, but to inspire us to make changes to those around us and really think about what we do and how it can affect people. I think that is the biggest thing to take away from this song - not that the media exploits people, not that people commit violence to become famous, or any of the corruption that goes along with that because in the end, one person can't bring change to those things and there will always be people doing unethical things for money and fame. What we can bring change to is those around us and create a more positive atmosphere in the areas that we are in, and remind people that they are important by listening and helping them get through hard times in their life, even when it doesn't benefit ourselves.
-Rawrishly

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Marilyn Manson – The Nobodies Lyrics 2 years ago
@[shouldjustletitgo:9295] Sorry I don't agree at all. I think you're projecting your own feelings on the song. Which isn't a bad thing - music is supposed to make you feel emotion - but I feel your interpretation is not at all what Marilyn intended.

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Marilyn Manson – Tourniquet Lyrics 7 years ago
The album Antichrist Svperstar, which this song is taken from, tells the story of the rise and fall of the Antichrist. The first song, Irresponsible Hate Anthem, shows the hatred felt by the world for everything. A great majority of the people in the world have been infected by the Worm, which is symbolic of hatred, drugs, sex, and violence. These people are so dead in their hatred that they refuse to think for themselves. They become irresponsible. Eventually this parasitic Worm finds his host in a little boy, whom the Worm completely takes over to serve his own purposes. The Beautiful People speaks of the judgemental mentality so many people have adopted which adds to the resentment building in the boy. In Dried up, Tied up, Dead to the World, the Worm is completely used, and so then tries to make his own lover in Tourniquet. Antichrist Svperstar is very centered in the Christian numerology. This track is number 4, the number for creation. And so, the song is about creating a facade of love.

To me, this song signifies wanting something, but not being quite sure of what you want. On one hand, you want to feel love, but on the other, it cripples you. The worm's greatest fear is to be crippled by another person, to completely trust in another person. He feels the need to be in control of the situation, but he finds that impossible to love someone completely without giving up his control. You have a void you want to fill, but nothing fits. Hence you create something to fill that void. This creation, however, only serves its purpose temporarily. The name tourniquet is significant because it shows that no matter how much he tried to heal their broken relationship, he was only able to do as much as a tourniquet. Just as a bandage doesn't heal a cut, he only put off the end of the relationship.

In the chorus, "Take your hatred out on me, Make your victim my head", is symbolic of the desperation felt by Manson when he can't fill the empty void in himself. He does anything to make her love him, although she only uses him. She uses him as a tourniquet, and after he isn't needed, he is forgotten. Also, if you listen to this song in reverse, you can hear him whispering "This Is My Lowest Point Of Vulnerability". In his desperation, he made himself believed she loved him, but as the song quotes, "Flies will lay their eggs". Everything eventually didn't work out. Another interesting point is that flies lay their eggs in dead corpses, which implies the relationship is dead. He had become so enamored with this imagined love however, that he is completely filled with self-hate. This self hate is the fuel for the fire that turns him into the Antichrist later in the album.

This is my general take on the song, compiled from what others on here thought, and also some of my own thoughts. I'm not necessarily trying to say this is the most correct meaning, its just what it means to me.

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