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Cradle of Filth – Nemesis Lyrics 10 years ago
How is it not obvious that this is about the goddess Nemesis? The lyrics directly reference her story and myths time and time again.

She's the goddess of divine retribution, revenge, and punishment. She was the mother of Helen of Troy. (in some myths)

It's hard to say exactly what the lyrics are referencing, because the myths by nature are inconsistent. Some of it almost seems like a canon made up by the lyricist himself.

It's still obvious though in lines like "A swansong for Leda" (Zeus is said to have raped Leda as a swan, others say that Zeus actually raped Nemesis herself as a swan) and "Deathknells for Troy". (perhaps the lyricist thinks Nemesis caused the fall of Troy because Paris, the prince of Troy kidnapped Helen of Troy, Nemesis' daughter)

These to me seem like Nemesis doling out punishment and misfortune, making Zeus rape Leda and causing the fall of Troy.

The bullshit about fathers and daughters is completely unfounded. This is clearly based 100% in Greek Mythology. If people knew that Helen of Troy was Nemesis' daughter, maybe these stupid theories wouldn't exist.

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Depeche Mode – Dream On Lyrics 10 years ago
I'm 99.9% sure that Martin wrote this specifically about Dave's heroin addiction. I know Martin struggled with addiction himself, but this is specifically written in third person.

Lines like "bony fingers" and "pale and sickly" stand out specifically to me because if you've seen Dave in that era that's exactly what he looked like. Terrifyingly thin and pale.

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Kamelot – Ghost Opera Lyrics 10 years ago
Is no one mentioning the Phantom of the Opera here?

The lyrics even almost directly quote the musical, "Let the music fill the night" ("Music of the Night" is a song from POTO)

It says fucking "opera" in the lyrics. This may be about the writer's life in some way, but it's very clear that this was directly inspired by The Phantom of the Opera.

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Rasputina – In Old Yellowcake Lyrics 11 years ago
I remember when I first heard this song! I cried because I thought the chorus was the most beautiful thing I'd ever heard, "Where all the souls of the city go drowning by starlight" The imagery it gave me was mind blowing, the backup was ethereal, and it all seems in slow motion because of the tempo change. I felt such stirring excitement in me, it was amazing.

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Cradle of Filth – Lord Abortion Lyrics 11 years ago
Also, don't forget the best part, after "After I am through", he screams, "You fucking whore!"

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Cradle of Filth – Lord Abortion Lyrics 11 years ago
Truly one of the most frightening songs I've ever heard. I think the meaning is very clear here.

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Cradle of Filth – Venus In Fear Lyrics 11 years ago
This song is so great. The title is, indeed, a play on the Leopold von Sacher-Masoch (the term "masochism" is actually derived from his name, like the term "sadism" is from the Marquis de Sade's name) book Venus in Furs, which heavily features themes of female domination and sadism. The connection is obvious with the screaming of (presumably) one of Elizabeth's slaves and her moans of pleasure. The real Erzsebet likely did get a sexual thrill out of the horrific torture she inflicted.

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Cradle of Filth – Thirteen Autumns And A Widow Lyrics 11 years ago
I've done some research about this song and I have to conclude that it's part fiction, part fact.

It seems to be clearly referencing rape by what seems to be a priest? ("She awoke from a fable to mourning/Church bells wringing Her madly from sleep/Tolled by a priest, self castrated and hung" This to me is indicating that it was a priest who committed the act. Wouldn't surprise me as that is a theme CoF has used before in "Her Ghost in the Fog", stating "They raped and left, five men of God, Her Ghost in the Fog"), visits a sorceress (definitely could have been one of her family members, especially one of her aunts, who were said to be bisexual witches) to get an abortion. She is reborn in a sense and comes back with vengeance and hate in her, especially for God and holy persons. ("But Elizabeth laughed, thirteen Autumns had passed/And She was a widow from god and His wrath, finally")

So I've looked into this and as far as I can tell Erzsebet was never raped. I found once source (not sure how reliable) stating that her two SISTERS were raped and hanged when she was around 8 or 9, and then witnessed their murderer be put on a hot iron throne and burned to death. That could be the inspiration for this story. I think everything in the album seriously needs to be taken with a big grain of salt because this is more the story of "Elizabeth Bathory, the vampire, the Tigress of Cjeste", and not actually "Erzsebet Báthory, Her Life and Times".

The character development that's taking place in this song is SUPER cool though, and it's neat to speculate about exactly WHY Erzsebet was so cruel, and imagining her as a vampiress who fellates the Devil and bathes in the blood of virgins. But the reality of it is she had was epileptic and very inbred, and was probably raised in a less than ideal environment.

I would also like to mention that Erzsebet DID indeed get pregnant and thirteen years old by a servant in her castle named László Bende. She was taken away to a secluded property to give birth in secret to a little girl she named Anastasia. Anastasia was quickly cut off from the Báthory family. Maybe this song is a mix of different accounts with fiction? Great song though, and great story too.

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Cradle of Filth – Thirteen Autumns And A Widow Lyrics 11 years ago
This comment is so historically inaccurate it hurts. I don't know what you mean "freed by her husband's bondage". Do you mean he died? He died in 1604, and Erzsebet had already been killing way before that. It definitely didn't "begin" at that point. It was only at that point that she was finally being INVESTIGATED for the killings. Some people estimated that by 1611 she had killed 100-200 girls, but there was apparently a journal of hers that documented 650 victims.

If by "freed" you mean her husband going of to the Ottoman-Turkish wars or going to study in Vienna, then maybe, but Count Nádasdy was extremely brutal himself, often impaling opponents of battle, earning the name "The Black Count". When Erzsebet got pregnant by a servant at thirteen, he had the servant castrated and thrown to dogs. So I'm sure he was okay with it.

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Cradle of Filth – Beneath The Howling Stars Lyrics 11 years ago
This song is a (highly dramatized) historical account of Erzsebet Bathroy meeting Ferenc Nádasdy, also knows as "The Black Count", and her rise to power as Countess ("Elizabeth, free reigned now a Countess").

Just wanted to comment because "The Black Count" is NOT a made up figure for this song, and Erzsebet was not Countess until their marriage.

In my opinion this song is very romanticized, because Count Nádasdy spent most of him time in Vienna studying. She was alone most of the time, which was probably perfect, as she could murder all the girls she wanted (if that's even true! The accounts of how many she killed and what acts she committed are very shaky) without having to convince her husband to be chill with that. But he might have been okay with it anyway since he was fucking crazy too. When Erzsebet got pregnant at 13 by a servant named László Bende, he had him castrated then thrown to dogs. So he was into that too, apparently.

This song is also pretty creepy because Erzsebet was ELEVEN when she became engaged to the count, who was sixteen.

The end, I believe is referring to the Ottoman-Hungarian wars which Nádasdy (then Bathory, probably, since Erzsebet's family was older and more well established than his) did in fact participate in. He died of an unknown illness in the middle of battle in 1604, so this song spans a great length of Erzsebet's life.

Sorry for rambling out historical facts, it's rare that I get to use my extensive knowledge of Erzebeth Bathory so I got excited haha.

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