| U2 – Acrobat Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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That is indeed Ironic... ANd I was going to say the same thing to FullDevilSoccer. |
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| U2 – 40 Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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Well put sir. Although I think Bono's main purpose was probably to tie back to Sunday Bloody Sunday, which serves as a great ending to their album, and even gives a bit of hope and inspiration to stay optimistic. |
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| U2 – 40 Lyrics | 15 years ago |
| I would like for you to tell me where you collect from this song that Bono is talking about a particular type of violence? | |
| U2 – 40 Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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Agent, David probably didn't write the psalm either. In fact, David is only given straight authorship of around a 1/3 of the psalms. This is a song written in the era of King David, in the school of thought and theology that was that time. I do think Brandth has a point, because U2 places this at the end of an anti-war album. What is bono saying? I don't think he is pointing out inconsistencies in religion or spirituality, I think he is genuinely asking God how long must we sing until all those wars will stop. Ireland is definately in the context here for Bono. And also, Agent, Bono changed the wording a bit and even gave his own interpretation of how the words play off each other from the psalm, so this is indeed their own little mix, just inspired by Psalm 40. Nevertheless I love it. |
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| U2 – Sunday Bloody Sunday Lyrics | 15 years ago |
| lol...... | |
| U2 – Sunday Bloody Sunday Lyrics | 15 years ago |
| We're all terrorists. | |
| U2 – One Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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Bono does not like to pin-nail a meaning to a song that he writes. When an artist does that he/she belittles the the artistic expression of that song. People need to realize that when you interpret a song, you're not right or wrong. Of course there is a particular feeling that Bono had when he wrote this, but nonetheless, when you find meaning it that moves you to something better than where your at now, not even Bono himself has the right to swoop down and tell you that you are wrong. Your interpretation is YOURS, you created it. I will say however that you can directly contradict a person's work and then you have problems of insulting the author. But I don't think anyone could in there right mind directly contradict the idea behind this song. For me and this song, I buy into the basic message people agree with. I know Bono wrote this in a time that Africa was messed up, people were killing each other down there. U2 is really big on these type of songs and it is one of the main reasons I respect them so much. They are talented and they are good at inspiring people without getting in their faces about politics or religion, despite the fact that Bono is an extremely political and spiritual fellow. |
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| U2 – I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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One of my favorite songs. Jiub, you hit something I think. I think this song is like much of the songs of ascent in Psalms. What Christians need to get through their head is that a real relationship with God means struggles and means calling out FOR REAL. Israel did this all the time, they had a real relationship. Bono to me is saying God, I believe everything you have told me, but I still don't fell you. I believe that your water is the water that quenches thirst forever, but I still have this unquenchable thirst. I think also that the story transitions from him being young (very very young) and him getting older and more mature, yet facing the same struggle. Not everyone has this struggle so consistently in their life, which is why I think this song is so uniquely Bono's and is so important to him. |
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| U2 – I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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Teazer9009: Hey I just wanted to say something to you. I don't know if you still check messages on here ever or whatever, but I wanted to challenge you for a second. I am a Christian, you should know before you jump to conclusions. But I do want to challenge you to be careful about living your life in "blind" faith. Christians use this term a lot to describe their spiritual life with their God. The phrase mostly comes from scripture when allusions are made about following the lord blindly. However, I think you should take a moment to reflect on the context of that following the lord "blindly" aka "blind" faith is all about in the Bible. Two contexts: 1. Many people, much more than now, were blind or had such bad vision that they would need some serious prescriptions today. In fact it is said that if you lived past your late 50s, you were probably near blind if not blind, especially if you came from a poorer home. Jesus heals some blind people and those moments are extremely significant. In Mark, I believe, Jesus is healing a guy's sight and he rubs over the guy's eyes and ask what the guy sees. The guy sees trees walking around. Jesus does it again, this time he spits into the eyes. And then the man can see everything clearly this time. What I truly believe the significance of this is that we are all trees walking around. I believe that what that once-blind man saw was a spiritual allusion Jesus was using to make a point. We have uprooted ourselves and we are walking, when trees are meant for standing still and growing strong and health and being fruitful. Where does this come into play here in terms of blind faith? You see, the problem with what most consider blind faith is that it is the core of their spiritual life, their relationship with Jesus. The rationalization is this: I believe in God because I have faith, I believe in Jesus because I have blind faith. You see someone asks you why you believe in God and you say, "well because I just know that I do, I believe in the Bible, i believe in Jesus, I have blind faith. But here is the problem, you don't answer the question when you say that. No one believes in anything concrete or abstract because they have blind faith. Blind faith cannot exist in the context we use it in. Blind faith to many of us means that we must trust in GOd and his Word no matter what because he knows all! Well ok, that is true, but blind faith is further described by men and women. They say, "i think God wants me to do this." Have blind faith, do it, it will be ok. This gives people permission to do what they want in life. Secondly, blind faith is used to describe an extreme belief in something, and you inherently suggest in it that there is not a shred of evidence that can get you to change your faith. This is false. Your faith can be shattered, I assure you. Name me a single person from the Bible, I will show you where their faith failed them miserably. A good portion of the Psalms are lament psalms, psalms of crying out to God in fear and lack of faith. What I want to say to you is that you do not do God, nor yourself, any favor by claiming to have this blind faith for God. You believe in God because a multitude of reason, you trust in him for even more. I could list thousands probably. You saw him in different people, you felt him in times of your life, you had friends tell you stories about it, your parents, you reflected on your life and how God moved through it, etc etc. You see a pattern don't you? Times get bad, they get worse, and you are reborn in Christ. Times Get bad, they get worse and worse, and you are reborn once again through Christ. This cycle is permananent as long as you are here. Good news for you. Your faith is not blind, not at all. Blind faith would be following Jesus without having any of those experiences at all. Do you believe it is possible? And if it were, do you think that it would genuine? Would Jesus value it? I don't think so, and this is because I believe Christ wants to change us, he doesn't want us to change ourselves. This is what we say when we say we have blind faith. We say, I don't need to be convinced, I am so strong on my own ill do what you say. Recall to when Abraham was told to kill his child. Blind faith? If you read it, it will appear as if Abraham did not try to go against the Lord at all. But it never explains what is in his head. Do you not think Abraham was saying, "God.. what the hell are you having me do here? Why WHY?"... Because if he wasn't doing that, he would not be living in faith, he would be living as a robot. I know this sounds really weird, but next time you feel like God is relaying you something, maybe a mission or something. The first thing you do is argue with him. Come up with every reason why this shouldn't be true. Then read your Bible, try to find scripture that fits the situation best you can. Then seek counsel.. friends parents, neighbors, people you have never talked to but know try to live a Christian lifestyle., random people on the street, anyone. The more the better. Pray more argue more. If you come out of it not wanting to do what you think you must, trying to push against it, don't run from it, just challenge. Im not saying you should do this every time, nor would I say its healthy. I do believe however, that if you want to be genuine, you have to look at God as a real Father, not just a father that will agree with you on issues and hate the same people you hate. The Call of Christ is radical, extremely. If you look like everyone else, your screwing up. The people who go to school and watch TV and work and blah blah with soceity mindlessly, they are the ones who live by blind faith. No only are the blind to what is real, but they follow something that there has been NO reason or experience given to them that they ought to. Satan and themselves just trick each other into doing those things over and over. Good luck and may you live faithfully. Blind Faith is an enemy. Seek evidence, seek coounsel, and seek wisdom. |
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| U2 – I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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| U2 – Bullet The Blue Sky Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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This song is very well done. Its not my favorite, because my favorite ones are the ones that motivate me to change myself and the world. This one has a different value for me. It is a reminder of who I am, like it or not. I will always be an "American" as in from the United States of America. Its so funny to think about how indoctrinated we all are at such a young age with this patriotic vibe. In the US we are taught to say the pledge, it is generally a requirement to say the pledge in public schools. The Fourth of July is such a patriiotic celebration. With fireworks, watermelon, and freaking yummy hamburgers. Those are the times you grow up loving as a kid, and so you also love to say the pledge because it reminds you of those times. You cheer for the football team and the soldiers fighting the wars in the same light almost. Our history books tell how we won the wars we have and mostly tell it as biased as they possibly can. Why? Because people have to believe in their country if they are going to work for it, fight for it, live in it. This song, if your willing to take it in for what it is, will remind you that the flag you say the pledge to is just a piece of cloth, that the fire-works you use to celebrate the 4th of July are just chemicals and that warm feeling you get is from chemicals like-wise. Chemicals your body produces involuntarily to establish a sort of bond. While we sing our songs, our planes bomb villages, our troops stomp through farms and kill bad guys and innoncense at the same time. I think it is ok to be patriotic, because I do think there are things to be proud of, things to appreciate, and things that we need to remember. But I also think that we should be repenting constantly to the world for what we have done. Every country is guilty, if we could admit guilt, we would be able to get past step 1 of the changing process and we could go on to the 2nd step... reconciliation. |
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| U2 – Bullet The Blue Sky Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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rdcq, I think you need to think about your cultural relevancies a bit more. The US Airforce is a good theory, but I think it goes deeper then that. You hit it well on the other bits of analysis, but I don't know what the heck your talking about when you bring in Al Qaeda and Iraq to the discussion.. This is about "America" as in the double-meaning of both the United States and the Latin American + Southern American countries that have faced and are facing tormoil today. I would like to hear what you think about the Jacob wrestling he angel allusion at the beginning of the song, what is that about, because that is where it gets interesting. |
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| U2 – Babyface Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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I am honestly surprised at some of these answers... I Mean really? I just cannot see it. I.E. "I think this song is about a guy that has a crush on a girl that is on a video that he owns which he watches over and over again. It may be about what we want but can not obtain so we live in a fantasy world instead of reality. " from songofsongs and .... I like this song and I would have to say its my favorite off of Zooropa in front of Stay and The First Time. It sounds like such a nice, sweet song but if you really look at the lyrics they sort of have a pretty sexual meaning. I guess its just disguised behind that smooth, flowing music box melody." from U2elevation... Ok honestly... Coming home late at night to turn you on Checking out every frame I got slow motion on my side Turning around and around With the sound and colour under my control Round and around, going down Dressed up like a lovely day... Zoorapa has a couple of themes, but one of the most dominant ones is U2's assault (mostly) on media. Numb is most obviously about the numbness of watching television and our lives amounting to nothing from it telling us indirectly to "do nothing"... (Watch the music video of Numb)... Likewise this song is a satirical look at media productions. I think Bono does a good job of showing the fact that this is about a girl and a product at the same time. Look at the transition he goes to almost effortlessly... He goes from talking about a woman who appears to be a lover of some sort, but then we find out this woman is a product. "Cover girl with natural grace", "Coming home late at night to turn you on, Checking out every frame, I got slow motion on my side", and "Babyface, babyface You're coming to me from outer space"... Now whether or not it is pornography he is talking about or just a star that this guy has an attraction to doesn't matter. Media has turned women, and men a lot of times, into products to please our desires. This woman is a slave forever and ever to this guy, he has slow motion on his side. He OWNS this woman, or at least a part of her. As for pornography v.s. just a model of some sort... I think it is more likely some sort of pornography or sexual release... Something for you to think about is that Bono is trying to leaving a repulsive reaction in your mind after you think about the lyrics and the sound. THe sound of the song is so endearing and the words he uses, especially "Baby-Face" are a sort of embodyment of innocence and almost what seems a sort of love. But think about this. This woman who has this "baby-face" is being controlled by some guy she probably doesn't know, and what is more, he is using a term that describes the epitome of an innocent face to describe the woman he now not only owns, but reaches personal, probably even sexual satisfaction from. It can be a model or a porno depiction and it says virtually the same thing to me, just different degrees. This song is a great song because it challenges culture, I hope you guys think about that. The fact that anyone can own a person seems repulsive, yet our culture embraces it, doesn't it? As for Zoorapa v.s. other albums of U2... I would say that there are elements of this Album that go unmatched by any other album they have done. Mainly because this album is purposefully different from their main field of expertise. The cultural allusions, challenges, and media interactions that go on in their songs of Zoorapa are artistic to the extreme. Watch their music videos to Lemon and Numb and others. Do some research on the meaning behind some of the style of the video (especially in Lemon) and you will see a lot of thought and depth go into the publication of these songs. The main difference between Zoorapa and other albums are that these are NOT just rock songs, they are pieces of cultural literature that are unique to U2. Their live gross sales of the Zoorapa and ZooTV events and CDs and all that jazz rank in the top 3 in terms of most sold, profit, publicized, advertised on, etc. Ridiculous. With that being said I can understand why some people don't like these songs, especially eh ones who are love U2. ZOORAPA can be an annoying album to come across when going through their discography. As for me, I love them for what they are, they are so important to U2's story and mark on the world. I have no doubt in my mind that one of the most historically significant moments in U2's career lie in the era of ZooTV and Zoorapa... I predict about 25 years from now that people will be studying in commmunications/advertising/media productions the ideas and presentations that U2 performed during those years. As for the other albums they will be important for their own reasons sure, but I do believe that only zoorapa and its counter-parts extend beyond the realm of music and onward to a new form of literature/artistic expression. Its not my favorite album by any means though. My favorite album is either Joshua Tree or No Line on The Horizon, but its so hard to pick. The songs I hold dear vary album to album. |
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| U2 – Cedars Of Lebanon Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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The song is so rooted in historical and political situations of both preesent and past that the meaning of it goes beyond the simple lyrics. If you really want to appreciate the song read around 25-45 pages on Israel history including Before Common Era and After Common Era. Don't just wikipedia it. Look at the geography of the place and where Jerusalem is in relation to it. This soldire that is in this song is representing a very very ironic circumstance. 6000 years ago a soldiier stared up that same hill, up the sides of those same cedars as the soldier that now looks up there. This song is not only about a soldier that misses his loved one, but it is the classic retelling of a story that happens over and over again. The last stanza sums it up nicely. Choose your enemies carefully 'cos they will define you Make them interesting 'cos in some ways they will mind you They're not there in the beginning but when your story ends Gonna last with you longer than your friend. Israel is literally defined by their enemies through out most of known history. Israel-Egypt, Israel-Babylon, Israel-Palestianians, Israel-Assyria, Israel-World, Israel-Hitler, Israel-Muslims (some). Yeah... That has been the basis of their existence. This song is a lesson to us all. |
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| U2 – Cedars Of Lebanon Lyrics | 16 years ago |
| Oh and also, as for the song, I do like it, but only because of its rich cultural, political and historical allusions. Very important song, but as for the music it is as you say "bare", and doesn't get me excited or motivated. Its a song i listen to and reflect. | |
| U2 – Cedars Of Lebanon Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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Cedars of Lebanon is a common subject in the old testament. The Cedars of Lebanon were basically the finest timber you could have, it also represented riches beyond your wildest dreams. King Solomon built the temple out of the Cedars of Lebanon, and that makes that significant is that it meant that he had to hire 100s and 1000s of slaves to go gather the timber that was about 125 miles away, and was in a mountainous region.. How they crap they did it, i dont know... I guess thats why it took about 60 years to complete. Another meaning of Cedars of Lebanon that I find the most interesting is the references of it in a lot of the "prophetic" books of the Old Testament. One scripture, I dobelieve it is in Amos, is talking about the day when an enemy of Israel's will be defeated... Speaking in an obvious metaphor, the writer/prophet says that the Cedars of Lebanon will dance for joy. This is of course because they won't have to be cut down any more by the enemy of Israel as they build houses and ships etc. The irony of this is that Israel's enemies are never defeated, of course the enemy that the prophet Amos is referencing to is taken down, Israel still has there work cut out for them. This song, at the second to last stanza, is the most important part of the song in terms of interpreting it, and of course the last stanza is the advise that Bono gives warning to everyone in regards to enemies... there is a lesson to be learned. The second to last stanza talks about his head being lit like a cigarette, probably sunburned, and as he looks up into the cedars, he cannot see his enemy, he sees the unholy clouds, but not the enemies above him. The only way to see them would be to cut down the trees, the oh' so important cedars which after King Solomon's reign, became one of the most prized possesions int that region for infrastructure... |
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| U2 – Stand Up Comedy Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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My Opinion of song = I love it. Great message to both crowds, mainly geared towards religious, most likely. Song analysis: I got stand up and tale a step You and I have been asleep for hours I got to stand up The wire is stretched in between our two towers Stand up in this dizzy world Where a lovesick eye can steal the view I'm gonna fall down if I can't stand up For your love Bono is saying that he and who he has been with needs to wake up. "The wire is stretched in between our two towers" suggests that they are connected, perhaps we are all connected. "Im gonna fall down if I can't stand up for your love", to me this says that if one party doesn't do their part, then it hurts the other parts. Stand up, this is comedy The DNA lottery may have left you smart But can you stand up to beauty, dictator of the heart I can stand up for hope, faith, love But while I'm getting over certainty Stop helping God across the road like a little old lady This is a very important part for me, because we have a sort of dichotomy array of ideals. Also, some paradoxes. I.E. "DNA Lottery may have left you smart" THIS IS NOT TALKING TO AN INDIVIDUAL, think about it. The DNA lottery he is talking about is the fact that humans got lucky, one might say, to strike such intellectual capability. We are freaking smart animals. But then he challenges us as animals to stand up to the "Dictator of the heart", that is "beauty". Very true if you think about it. Sure we have this ability to be rational, but then our emotions most often control our actions, and our emotions are controlled by the things that this beautiful world has to offer. Not just women and men that are good looking, but look around you, its amazing. Try to think rationally when your looking off a mountain top. It makes you wonder how we are so smart. Where he says "I can stand up for hope faith love, but while Im getting over certainty..." notice how there is no and between them? Probably meant for melody, but also, it is as if he is just using one to describe the others. They are all the same. To me Bono is putting these three important words as one likeness, and it is essentially a likeness of uncertainty. So where he says "But while I'm getting over certainty" he is saying, "while I get over this confusing and scary mess of battling between physical materialism (physical nature) and the idea of beauty and abstraction.(perhaps in a deeper sense spirituality). Then he says "Stop helping God across the road like a little old lady". I think Bono may be telling the Christians that God does not need their help across the street. Christians often go to great lengths to "defend" the honor of their God, but Bono is telling them, look dude, God doesn't need your help, you need God's help (he goes on to suggest). If God is this abstract idea of faith and love and hope, then how could any human built by DNA of rationality seek to "help" its course along history? Hope, Love, Faith, God stand by themselves, they cross the street by themselves, they help old ladies across the street, they don't get helped. _______ I gotta stand up to ego bet my ego's not really the enemy it's like a small child crossing an eight lane highway On a voyage of discovery Bono here is talking about a big problem in the world and that is "ego". But its not his own ego that is the real enemy. Which is funny if you think about it and also very significant. Bono admits quickly he has a huge ego problem, he apologizes for it all the time. For him to say there are egos that makes for a worse enemy than his own is pretty substantial for him. He says his ego is just "like a small child crossing a eight lane highway on a voyage of discovery"... He is saying the ego super highway is HUGE and he is only a small part of it. Stand up to rock stars, Napoleon is high heels Josephine, be careful of small men with big ideas This part takes a bit of historical knowledge. Napoleon, pretty famous guy, obviously. He was a notoriously short, but ruthless french conqueror. Napoleon before his big ruling was looking for a women to marry that was wealthy and had a powerful family, equal to his own of course. Josephine was that woman. They got married despite the fact that Josephine didn't really like Napoleon that much. She was unfaithful to him at the beginning, but what this sickening part of history is that Napoleon retaliated by isolating her so that she would stay loyal. Basically keeping her prisoner. He did this so that he could continue reigning power. Josephine was blocked from loving anyone, not even the man she was married to. This is where you must wonder, who is Napoleon in the modern context? Who is Josephine. I think its safe to say that Josephine embodies a sort of love that has been trapped be a Napoleon, perhaps organized religion. It seems to really fit, because Napoleon was powerful as all get out, just as religion has been, it doesn't seem like it would be at times, but it has such a grip on people's life. What Bono is saying is that we have to stand up to this religious idealogy and free our love. Bono preaches "grace" all the time in his songs, love only exists in a world of "grace" and the message of "grace" is the fulfillment of love. I don't think Bono is saying that the religions are all inherently wrong, because even Napoleon had great ideas, and deep inside a desire to make the world better somehow. I think Bono is saying that religion is being outright abusive, it needs to cut it out, especially if they want the cause of love, hope and faith to continue. (Quick note: Bono's lines here are very humorous if you know history, because Napoleon was noted to where high-heals to mask his short appearance. Funny stuff) Out form under your beds C'mon ye people Stand up for your love It is quite likely that this is still in the context of the Napoleon-Josephine theme, and so when he is saying this, Bono is perhaps saying that the people who know Josephine and adore her need to get off their butts and stand up this this little short guy, who I believe is what Bono believes to be most of organized religion, in particular Christians, honestly. Its very important though, that we realize who Bono is calling to get out of from under their beds. I believe it is the people who are "religious" that he is calling. Not the elitists that are scattered in the religion masses, but the religious who simply desire love and faith to rule and be free. There are a lot of those people out there, I am one of them admittably. It is frustrating to see organized religion fail to practice what it preaches, and moreover, often enslave love to its own idea of what is right. Who are the people who can stop it? You think that a team of scientists would be able to stop organized religion? Sorry Dawkins fans, not going to happen. What will stop the tyranny of the church are the masses of the church. ***So, if you tie it back to the beginning where Bono is apparently waking up and talking to some people he appears to know... Bono is calling himself one of the people that needs to stand up, and he is telling others to join him. This may bother some people, in particular it has appeared to bothered Theresa1 above. But, while this does seem rather authoritative and cocky on Bono's part, which fits his character, I think he is right for the most part. Would I say I would join HIM in fighting for Love? No, but I would say he and I are fighting together. So whether or not Bono is intentionally trying to sound like the leader of some revolution, it doesn't matter. Anyway back to the analysis. God is love And love is evolution's very best day Soul rockin' people moving on Soul rockin' people on and on C'mon ye people We're made of stars C'mon ye people Stand up then sit down for your love This part is odd, and we get back to some paradoxes and dichotomies that seem to send a strong message. There is undoubtadely a battle between science (evolution) and God (religious fundamentalists). Bono shoves it into the open when he says "God is love and love is evolution's very best day." Some may say that this is sort of problematic logically. Because then this would suggest Love came about through evolution, thus God was created by evolution, but then we also realize that the very best part of evolution is Love therefore God, and thus what is supreme? Doesn't matter to Bono. Bono doesn't care, he is saying guys, evolution and science is awesome (tying back to the DNA lottery part), but what came from it that we should really cherish? Bono suggests that somewhere down the line, love was born. Love was a moment, a "day" in time, and it was the most important part of human history... "Con on ye people, We are made from stars".. another cultural paradox it seems, think about it. He is confirming that our known** world is derivative of "stars" and what would be the concept of the modern scientific theory of how the universe and its worlds came about, while also confirming that our beings, the concept of self** was "made" or what seems to suggest created from cosmic matter. So logically, we would have a universe creating itself, and then some force IE God "making" beings from stars, or space dust, and we are left to ask the question "which one came first"? The egg or the chicken? Maybe neither came first. Anyway sorry for the tangent. Very long one indeed. Bono has told us that love is the most important part of us, we were all made from the same thing, and that we need to stand up for our love. The most controversial part seems to be the line "stop helping God across the road like a little old lady"... Leave with this thought. This line is undoubtedly critical of the religious people helping God cross the road, like an old lady. God is old, religion is old. Bono is saying that this is old and that it is time that it be renewed. Critical, yes, but rebellious? No, not from God, not from love or faith or hope. Bono does believe in Christ, last I read. I don't know if you guys do or not, but regardless, Christ certainly did not come so that things would remain the same and get old like Bono is describing. Now, regardless of your religion or lack there of, appreciate where Bono is coming from and where this world can go. If your anti-religious, look at your own idealogies. Its all the same. Science is doing this to itself to, you have doctrines of science that condemn each other just like in religion. Man does this all the time, you will never escape that, no matter how many religious books you burn or ban. As for the religious, if you truly believe in a powerful God, then you wouldn't be threatened by Bono's words, or by science. The ones that are flustered by Dawkins and Bono's radical views are the ones who lack faith. If you ever want religion to get taken seriously again, you will stop trying to be a fake Jesus Christ. No one can do that. The entire world sees the idea of Jesus as this perfect guy... No one can be perfect, and thus when you tell people that is who you are trying to embody, you tell the world that they should all aspire to be someone they could never become, and when they don't you need to repent and repent. Instead, may I suggest trying to go throughout every day of your life meditating on each situation and trying to come up with a way that you can show your enemies and your neighbors alike that you care about them and that you want to get to know them. Talk to them. Have a conversation, Jesus DOES NOT have to come up in the conversation. I am a Christian personally, but I think the idea of evangalizing is all wrong these days. People run into a crowd and tell people to accept Jesus and all this jazz. They try to bring him up in conversations and it fails most of the time. You aren't saving anybody from anything. Just be a real person, try hard to do right by others, if you don't be the first to admit it. If you are truly trying to be a good person, not Jesus, just a person who is honestly yrying to live in a world where they know they are going to mess up, people will notice that you are a little different, and they will ask you, "hey I noticed you have an attidue about [this sort of thing] and I was wondering how that came to be"... and then you have an opportunity to tell them where it comes from... If you are the one that has to bring Jesus into the conversation, in my opinion, you have already failed. |
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| U2 – Stand Up Comedy Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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Don't know if you guys till check up on this at all, but I wanted to say something to a few of you that it seems you have been too stubborn to realize. Bono does believe in some sort of higher-power in fact he has several times called himself a Christian, and despite his "unorthodox" behavior, he is a very spiritual person. However, U2Kitteh, I wouldn't lose admiration for Bono just yet unless you refuse to believe that evolution and a creator cannot coexist. I think quite clearly Bono is affirming both realities here when he says, "God is Love and Love is Evolution's very best day". Some of his lyrics have been very interesting to read, I don't know if you know very much about the Christian religion, but Bono's lyrics are covered in jewels from the Bible and Christian theology, as well as some other faiths. You also said something that seemed ironic to me. "I never thought that Bono would be one of those creationist people that truly believes that God is all there is...that science and evolution is false. He is so open-minded and I would absolutely lose admiration for him if that were the case.." Again, I don't think Bono denies science and its wonderful progress. Regardless, how can you say you admire someone for being open-minded and respect what they are about, but then when you discover they may be slightly more spiritual than you had hoped, you abandon them? I mean honestly, I understand what you have against religion and spirituality because it brings about a lot of bad things, but sometimes people miss what spirituality has done for people, whether its real or unreal. Bono has lead a lot of organizations for good and he has called on organized religion to stop their fuss. He also believes there is a higher good for this to be accredited to. He sings about this concept of "grace" more than any other attribute. Interesting. As for evolution. I am all on board with what science has to offer. Do I think it has its flaws? Of course, we'd be fools not to accept that. But nonetheless, science IS self-perfecting despite the fact it never will be perfect. IT constantly finds new things about this universe that opens our eyes wider and wider. Evolution, thus far, has not disproved my theologian outlook on life thus far for me. Thus, I accept both and live both rationally and faithfully. Maybe one day you can experience that. I know it doesn't make sense. RICHARD. You make creationists look retarded. Stop talking. Scientific theories are not just the common man's "theory", they are extremely researched and tested hypothesis over years and years of collecting data. TO put this into perspective for you: You would say that you have a "theory" of what this song is about, you'd say "thats my theory". However, in the scientific world you would be shot in the face for saying that. To say something like that is a sin of science basically. You don't even have a hypothesis in all reality. All of our interpretation is speculation. Not to discredit anyone's analysis, because literary analysis is far from the realm of science...But Richard, what really is a "theory" in your world according to science's standards would be something like: Your car has been having problems. YOu run tests, you check oil, you open the hood check all the stuff test out all the parts to see which one is wrong and then finally you come up with a theory that it is your radiator that is busted. That is something that is probably built off of prior knowledge mixed with testing differenct parts and listening and feelings etc. Your theory has a solid chance of being right. However, and this is where your world gets to mingle with the science world :). What you may not know is that your car no only has a radiator problem, but some of the hoses running to the engine are completely shredded. It seems that through looking at only one possible theory, you have ignored another issue to be dealt with. And thus I propose, God and evolution some how in a complex system can coexist. beau09... Macro-Evolution is simply the concept of micro-evolution over billions of years. A simple adaptation can happen in a few generations, that would be micro evolution. To change species would be macro, it would likely take a buttload of adaptations and mutations and luck and all this jazz. Macro-evolution is not ridiculous if you think Micro-evolution is factual. Just would need a few billion years. |
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