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Nightwish – Amaranth Lyrics 16 years ago
This song is very profound and says so much with so few words. I'm often stunned with Tuomas' insight.

I too fell this song is spritual, but as with many religious groups do, the metaphors can’t be taken literal. Some have stated that it deals with Lucifer and some have stated it deals with Crist. I believe that is correct, but not in a literal sense. What is Lucifer? The loss of innocence. Tuomas' songs are screaming with the loss of childhood innocence. What does Jesus say? To enter the Kingdom of Heaven you must become as a little child. Think Meadows of Heaven and where can heaven be found?

Tuomas knows methapor and myth and where they belong. Heaven isn't a place that is away from here. It is found in innocence, right here and now as seen through the eyes of a child.

I'll add my understanding and what I get from this song. Goosebumps is what I get literally, but only from the deep inner meanings of the metaphors. Such as any myth, the metaphors are to be turned inward, not outward. When I reference religious metaphors below, they are only in the context of a great myth, not in any literal sense of them happening.

"Baptised with a perfect name"
All children are born innocent. Contrast that against the Christian understanding that we are born sinful due to original sin. When the allegory of Adam and Eve is taken literally, the inner meaning becomes lost. Adam means mankind. This error right here cast a shadow on innocence. Being baptised is a cleansing of sin. What sin can a baby possibly have and how does that understanding affect the child as it grows?

The doubting one by heart
Although born perfect, doubts fill our soul as we mature and are taught that we are born sinful. The allegory of Adam and Eve becomes literal truth and innocence continues to be lost with this understanding. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy which cast doubts on our understanding of our own nature. The only sin is not understanding that we are part of God/Spirit. This was Adam's sin...not knowing that God/Spirit never left and that it isn't possible to be separated from God/Spirit. We are born perfect.

Alone without himself
This to me means that without the recognition of our innocence/perfection we are missing a part of ourselves. We fell so alone because we feel we never had innocence to begin with. Lucifer is a metaphor for the loss of innocence. It is not an evil being that can take over one’s actions as an outside agent. It means that without innocence, sorrow and sadness directs one’s life. This is what is left when childhood innocence is blinded.

War between him and the day
Yes indeed, war. The inner turmoil of emotions that happens when we find ourselves alone in the dark is what happens when we separate our nature into two different aspects.

“Need someone to blame”
Is it our fault for not understanding our own nature? Have the myths taken such hold that it can tear us apart from the inside? I think so. Who can we blame? We can’t really blame anyone for the lack of understanding. We can’t blame God/Spirit for us not being able to properly understand ourselves and we can’t blame God/Spirit for abandoning us if God/Spirit never left. But, understanding any myth in a literal sense can greatly confuse us. So much so that it tears our being apart.

“In the end, little he can do alone”
There is little he can do alone because thinking that we are separate from all there is is the error in itself. We are not alone and can not exist apart from anything. From the air we breathe to the food we eat to the love of others, we are not alone and cannot do anything alone. It’s an error to think we are separate little egos on a dead planet.

“You believe but what you see”
Another error in itself. We see ourselves apart and alone, never paying any attention to the things that can’t be seen. We often can fell this unity, but not seeing it causes us to doubt.

“You receive but what you give”
An age old truth and a “law” of the universe. It’s truly amazing how true this is.

“Caress the one, the Never-Fading”
Reach out and touch what can’t be seen…God/Spirit/Never-Fading. This has always been with us yet we put it out “there” somewhere. This is Adam’s/mankind’s sin and leaves us thinking we are alone without ourselves because our very nature is divine. Silly humans.

“Rain in your heart - the tears of snow-white sorrow”
Our hearts are crying for what we percieve to be our loss of innocence. It’s a hard world out there. Snow-white sorrow, to me, represents innocence crying to be acknowledged. Not found, because it really never left, only rediscovered.

“Caress the one, the hiding amaranth
In a land of the daybreak”
The hiding amaranth represents our perception of God/Spirit hiding from us. Again, a reference to the sin of Adam. God/Spirit has never left because it is our very nature, but to us, it is hiding somewhere away from us because we don’t understand it to be the very core of our being. In the darkest of our days, we think God/Spirit has abandonded us. A mistake made by some thousands of years ago by taking this creation story as fact and not allegory.

“Apart from the wandering pack”
In this brief flight of time we reach
For the ones, whoever dare”
This, to me, means to break away from the pack and regain our lost innocence by finding those few that can help understand where to look…in our own hearts.

“Reaching, searching for something untouched
Hearing voices of the Never-Fading calling”
This brings such a feeling of “ahh-ha” to me that I can’t really describe it. This is what is not seen, the hiding amaranth, the Never-Fading. It’s calling to us to rediscover where it is. Ourselves as children know exactly where is, but as we grow, we forget because it isn’t a conscious knowing. After awhile with some people, we can once again “hear” it from our own inner voice crying out to us. The tears of snow-white sorrow.

The video shows a snow-white angel with its eyes gouged out. This is blinded innocence, lost and afraid. I find it very symbolic that it is children that are coming to the aid of innocence and adults that try to destroy it. Innocence can’t be destroyed, only forgotten and ignored. It is very hard to “become as a child” again.

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Disturbed – Breathe Lyrics 18 years ago
Here's what one reviewer says:

"Draiman examines the flip side of belief on "Breathe," an itchy prog-metal experiment with a fist-pumping chorus that recalls Priest at their glammiest. There’s a fine line between belief and self-righteousness, the song warns, and you’ll end up alone if you cross it."

From here: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/music/other_stories/documents/02450639.htm

Isn't that the truth...

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Disturbed – Liberate Lyrics 18 years ago
Sorry...I meant Gooofy, not Gooogy! :-)

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Disturbed – Liberate Lyrics 18 years ago
Gooogy pretty much sums it up...well except calling people stupid. That's just not nice. ;-)

There is a lot of humanistic values in Disturbed songs and this is another one. How can one be open to helping all people when so many think that if they don't believe as you do, you damned and not worthy. Although, I feel that they recognize that there are many truths in different faiths...just not when they are used as a way to promote oneself above others.

Anyway, does anyone have the CD artwork? This runs through the entire length of the lyrics:

"In and age of nothing, at a time when we stand at the brink of our own destruction, strengthen your belief in your self, in the future of humanity, in the things of this world which cannot easily be perceived, awaken that which lies dormat now within your soul. Re-ignite the flame of your consciousness and measure the strength of your conviction. Reveal the lie. Renounce your hatred. Seek, find, and embrace the truths you are fortunate enough to discover. Cherish them, use them to anchor you in the sea of chaos that is the world we live in. When twilight draws near, wen you are pushed to the very limits of your soul, when it seems that all you have left are the dead remains of the fabric of your life - believe."

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Disturbed – Believe Lyrics 18 years ago
Sorry about all the spelling errors!

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Disturbed – Believe Lyrics 18 years ago
This song seems to be about rejection of the "Religion" as something harmful, but acceptance of what lies at the heart of belief.

Believe, when you lie
You will never need to recognize yourself
To deceive
To remove all chance of doubt and be received
With your lie
The deception is complete when you concede
And decide
To reject your lives, sacrificed to me

This is about blind faith in what you have been taught. "You remove all doubt and be received with your lie." You have to have a little cognitive dissonance to believe what religions teach you on the surface. They tell you what to believe and how to believe it and to erase all doubts that arrise in you and accept the lives as truth...blind faith. This requires a rejection of your lives (we are just the flesh) and a sacrafice of reason and genuine faith.

Penance can't absolve your sin, into me
Penance can't absolve your sin
All your belief cannot absolve your sin

This is pretty self-evident... No matter how hard your believe in what you have been taught, saying word over and over isn't going to help you. Only your own understanding of right and wrong will bring forgiveness to yourself.

Believe, when you lie
You will never need to recognize the source
Of deceit
To renew your faith in God
You must believe, in your lie
The redemption is complete when you conceive
And decline
To release your lives
Sacrificed to me

What is the source of the deceit? God? Not at all. Poor God has nothing to do with all the shallowness and lack of understanding that comes with human misinterpretation. Therefore, you must believe in your lie to renew your faith in "your" God, which is a mental idol. The "real" God lays in waiting and when you finally realize this and decline to release your lives that you sacrificed to your lies, you will be redeemed.

Penance can't absolve your sin, into me
Penance can't absolve your sin
All your belief cannot absolve your sin

Same...

Reap your life, like you want to recognize, all you've come to

Get from your life all the things that you can finally understand you lives journey. What have we come to with all these false understandings? Open your mind and see what your were believing in was nothing more than a lie (on the surface). The redemption comes when you can recognize a much greater level of truth.

Reap your life
Veiled in shadow
Recognize
Faces of the crucified
I can hear their screams tonight
Ever haunting me

Aahhh...my favorite part of the song. This is a profound verse. When you believe the lie of the surface, the truth is veiled in shadow. This isn't saying that the truth isn't in there, it is just hidden beyond the suface. All the screams of the crucified are very haunting when you realize that what they are really saying on a much deeper level is going unheard. They are crucified for nothing! It haunts me too knowing that what Jesus stood for is mostly going unrecognized because of all the lies and misunderstanding surrounding him. I'm not a Christian, but can love what he stood for and what he tried to say. The good news never got out... It's my opinion that if Jesus were to come today, the people that call themselves Christians would crucify him again.

Burn your lie into me

Penance can't absolve your sin, into me
Penance can't absolve your sin
All your belief cannot absolve your sin

Wonderful songs and I love the way many artists are coming out and singing about the corruption and veiled truths in religion. We have Todd Rundgren with Liars, Rush with Snakes and Arrows and don't even get me started with LIVE!

Just another opinion to through in the opinion pool...

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Līve – Lightning Crashes Lyrics 18 years ago
Oh...and someone mentioned the remake with the Oklahoma City bombing. I live in OKC and remember that well. I wish I could find a copy of that. It had the news reports from the scene between every line in the song. Brought many tears to my eyes.

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Līve – Lightning Crashes Lyrics 18 years ago
"by waterdude5516 on 08-21-2007 @ 12:04:52 AM
what does the last line in the song mean...puts the glory out to hide, hide"

This is what brought me to my understanding that it may be the confusion of where we came from. From brith 'til death we wonder about that. This says to me that the glory of where we came from is extinguished when we open our eyes for the first time. Divinity anmesia if you will... This is just how I see it.

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Līve – I Alone Lyrics 18 years ago
AKS9977,
You said everything I wanted to say about this song and very well. This explanation works perfectly given the nature of Ed's spiritual journey's. It's a oneness understanding that seems to have been with him since childhood. This is reflected in the song "The Beauty of Gray":

The perception that divides your from him
Is a lie
For some reason you never asked why
This is not a black and white world
You can't afford to believe in your side

I think the anger comes from the arrogance of some Christians to claim that their, and only their, understanding of God is the correct one. The anger is perfectly understandable when certain metaphors about divinty are used by people of all faiths and then a certain group claims them as their own. They belong to humanity...all of humanity.

These metaphors are truly meaningful not matter what religion puts them forth:

Love Shines
Think of gentle Jesus
This of the Buddha underneath his tree

Both Jesus and Buddha faced temptations. Jesus in the desert and Buddha under the tree.

One side does not have special rights to these understandings and that is what, I feel, causes great discomfort among those that can see a greater picture. The ego of many Christians is horendous, but it's not their fault in many cases. There is anger, but where can it be directed if most of these people believe it's easier not to be wise?

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