| Orchid – Victory Is Ours Lyrics | 14 years ago |
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hc band* also full text of Debord's Society of the Spectacle if anyone is interested: http://library.nothingness.org/articles/SI/en/pub_contents/4 |
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| Orchid – Victory Is Ours Lyrics | 14 years ago |
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it doesn't matter if a particular set of protests "failed". victory is ours anyway because of somehting wider that was happening and still is. the protests were just a literal manifestation, of course it will fall apart eventually. "68" signals something else, a whole new way of thinking and doing, you know this. i don't think it is historical fetishism, its just putting oneself in a broad tradition of thought, something which is new for a hc to do. Debord still is always right. "The images detached from every aspect of life fuse in a common stream in which the unity of this life can no longer be reestablished. Reality considered partially unfolds, in its own general unity, as a pseudo-world apart, an object of mere contemplation. The specialization of images of the world is completed in the world of the autonomous image, where the liar has lied to himself. The spectacle in general, as the concrete inversion of life, is the autonomous movement of the non-living." |
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| Trapped Under Ice – Half A Person Lyrics | 14 years ago |
| the expression of these feelings means he hasn't given up, the moral persists somehow. | |
| Regurgitator – Blubber Boy Lyrics | 15 years ago |
| how did you figure that out? or where did you find it? | |
| Siouxsie and the Banshees – Israel Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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| Siouxsie and the Banshees – Israel Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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Can I have some evidence for the first claim you made. I don't understand what event you are referring to and it does not seem like a logical thing for "the Arab armies" to tell the civilian population to LEAVE if their goal was to push the Jews into the sea. Jordan, Syria and Egypt were not about to attack Israel in 67. The war was a "preemtive strike" to demonstrate Israel's military capability to America and to secure resourcouces in the middle east by destroying secular Arab nationalism, particularly Egyptian nationalism led by Nasser. Preemtive wars are illegal in international law unless approved by the UN first, and Isreal's attacks were not. The UN Security Council Resolution 242 from 67 made clear the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" made by Isreal. Islam is not the cause of suciide bombers either. As I said, it is only utter desperation and desper that leads human beings to do such terrible things. Here is an article full of examples of non-Muslim sucicde attackers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack Note that there is a fatwa in Islam forbidding suicide bombing. I am not sure what your last point about Arab riots on Christians and Jews pre-Isreal is referring to. Can you specify which events you are referring to in particular please. Thanks. |
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| Orchid – Tigers Lyrics | 15 years ago |
| Man who cares what Adorno would have thought. Look I'm not an Adorno scholar so I don't pretend to know anything much about him, but to me his rejection of Jazz outright speaks of a narrow mindedness and an inability to understand fundamentally new aesthetic developments. Orchid represents one of these developments and theres no point trying to imagine what he would have thought about it, there's no way he could have understood it. To reject it because its built of dogshit is to imply theres some clean material in which to build, but there isn't and thats why I like Orchid. They start from the shit and get somewhere that you couldn't get if you avoided it. | |
| Siouxsie and the Banshees – Israel Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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Sorry, don't mean to be on your back again but I think you missed some of the nuances of the lyrics which make it such a great song. You are totally correct about the first part being about Jewish children orphaned by the Holocaust. I think this part really evokes sympathy for the Jewish people and gives hope about the establishment of a place where they can sing and call home. The Jewish people will "turn blood into wine"; they will overcome the violence done to them and celebrate the future. However, I interpreted the following lines differently. To me the sense of hope and healing quickly changes in the lines: "The sweet taste in your mouth--turned bitter in its glass". If the song was about Israel surviving and being successful it would have been the other way around, from bitter to sweet, but its not. The reason for this, I think, comes through in later lines and has to do with the situation of the Palestinians: Red and green reflects the scene Of a long forgotten dream There were princes and there were kings Now hidden in disguise--cheap wrappings of lies Red and green are Palestinian colors. I think this stanza is a reference to the way that the past has been manipulated in Israel to neglect the histories of the Palestinians for political gain. The toothless man at the end is one of the children from the start, but his song has become full of "jealousy". The hope from the start has degenerated completely: "Their hate is clanging--maddening". The Palestinians are now as hated and homeless as the Jews once were. She ends up asking "In Israel will they sing Happy Noel", which suggests that peace and happiness is possible in the future, but it is only a distant prospect, just a song that hasn't been sung yet. |
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| Siouxsie and the Banshees – Israel Lyrics | 15 years ago |
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The situation of the Palestinians is not self-made. The "War of Independence" in 1948 saw 1,380,000 Palestinians driven off their land by the Israeli army in an act of ethnic cleansing (Tanya Reinhart, 2002). Israel does wage wars of aggression. E.g. The 1967 invasion and occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights + The 1982 invasion of Lebanon which left 11,000 people dead (Ibid). The vast majority of Palestinians actually will accept a Jewish country on "Arab" lands. A survey by the Bir Zeit Uni in 2002 found that "77% of Palestinians believe both Palestinians and Israelis have the right to live in peace and security" (ibid, p. 229). Arab culture is not the reason for suicide bombers; it is the sustained degradation and dehumanization of the Palestinian people which forces some individuals to become radicalized due to utter desperation and despair. |
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| Ampere – New Urbanism Lyrics | 16 years ago |
| i reckon its about living with the myths of mass culture all around us, seems nice and innocent if you don't think about it ('artificial flowers', 'little girls') but it actually fucks up the way we see the world ('our vision fragmented') to the point where 'you can't go three steps without encountering ghosts bearing all prestige of their legends'. we are all complicit in the culture industry to some extent but we can resist it too: 'these monuments draw us back, draw us in, draw it out...but will never repeat.' | |
| Ampere – At Its Heart & At Its Head Lyrics | 16 years ago |
| i think its got something to do with the contingency of existence and how life isn't based on anything concrete or eternal, even buildings turn to dust in the and so will we one day, no point trying to hide behind 'whispered assurances' e.g. Christianity | |
| Ampere – My Favorite Movie Lyrics | 16 years ago |
| i don't think hes saying that, i think its got more to do with showing hes not pre-determined as an individual like a movie is, that the Other cant understand you without objectifying you first | |
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