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AFI – Kill Caustic Lyrics 19 years ago
Before I give my opinion about what this song means, I first want to say this:
To all of you bitchin' about how AFI is "too mainstream" and "sold out", and how they were "better before MTV" : Be quiet.
December Underground may not be your taste, but as someone mentioned earlier (or may not have) muscians grow and so do their OWN tastes of music. Maybe it takes a musician to understand this, but all I know is, as a person who has played guitar for 7 years, I'm still not interested in playing the Blink 182 riffs that I once was. My interests have changed. Lord knows if I was AFI, i would not want to be making another "Sing the Sorrow" or "Black Sails" 20 billion times over again just to please the idiots who don't understand a musicians evolution. So please shut up. They are experimenting with a new sound that pleases THEM (which is half the reason they make music). I was influenced by GNR and others to start playing guitar...I used to play Blink 182...but I've grown, and I developed a liking for more complex music. In my opinion this is the most complex CD they have. (listen to all the different sounds and instruments.) Now onto the meaning:

I personally got out of this song that it was a big FU to the people mentioned above: the ones who criticize AFI for going mainstream and less Rock or Punk and more "emo" (whatever the hell that means anymore.) My reasoning?

I think the verses are Davey saying those things to himself in a kind of satirical tone (as if thats what others were saying) and as for the prechorus, I think he's saying no matter what he does (grow as a muscian) he gets criticized for it for changing in the slightest. Then I think the chorus is kind of an FU to people because he's saying "love these screams?" as in the screaming from the other CD's since they have become a little softer (which isn't bad) in their new CD and Sing the Sorrow. Anyway...Hope you get my idea, that's my two cents...I should get back to work now.

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Motion City Soundtrack – Everything Is Alright Lyrics 20 years ago
I'm going to have to agree with a previous poster who said that this song is about anxiety and/or depression. I suffer from GAD (general anxiety disorder) myself and I can tell you that I relate to this song quite well.

The lines: "I'm sick of the things I do when I'm nervous Like cleaning the oven or checking my tires
Or counting the number of tiles in the ceiling
Head for the hills, the kitchen's on fire!"

That is basically the OCD aspect of anxiety kicking in. He feels like he has to check his tires, and clean the oven because it is a nervous habit that often is associated with OCD. The "head for the hills the kitchen's on fire" is essentially a thought of what anxiety is all about, irrational fears that take over that we cannot control.

"'Cause I hate the ocean, theme parks and airplanes,
Talking with strangers, waiting in line
I'm through with these pills that make me sit still
Are you feeling fine?
Yes, I feel just fine. "

Theme parks, oceans, and airplanes are common fears with people, but talking with strangers and waiting in line as often associated with social anxiety, where one suffers and has attacks in social situations, where they feel like they just cannot sit still, like the world is collapsing in on them.

"Give me a reason (I don't believe a word)
To end this discussion (of anything I've heard)
To break with tradition (You tell me that it's not so hard)
To fool and rely (It's all so hard)
So let’s not get carried, (away with it)
Away with the process of healing relations
I don't want to waste your time"

I essentially think this is a conversation between him, and quite possible a therapist or friend who doesn't completely understand his condition. He wants to get out of the conversation as quickly as possible because what he is being told, he completely doesn't believe and he becomes uncomfortable. The breaking of tradition I believe is that people with problems of anxiety and depression traditionally talk to people about their problems, and he is hoping he can just be that person to break the habit of having to vent his feelings, and just get on with his life, and tell himself that he is fine. He feels as if the person trying to help can never understand or help, and that it's a lot harder to get the thoughts out of his head than these people think it to be.

Well that's my take on it from reading the lyrics and actual experience with the symptoms and problems associated with anxiety/depression.

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Green Day – Holiday Lyrics 20 years ago
To brop52----I would consider John Paul II to actually be too conservative for my moral and social views. This may upset people, but I think he set the Catholic Church back a few hundred years. We need a Pope who is willing to move ahead with the times.

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Green Day – Holiday Lyrics 20 years ago
DJ Jaques: "Bookcase, I don't know how old you are, buddy, but I'm old enough to remember when the news reports started coming in about how Saddam Hussein was gassing the Kurds in Halabja and other places. At the time it was the left that was exposing his crimes and the flag-waving pieces of refuse like *you* who either rationalized it, ignored it, or said nothing because you are too illiterate to find Iraq on a map before your leader declared them to be public enemy number one. I was 13 at the time, and even I thought "Why are we supporting this maniac?" The silence from the flag-wavers, shall we say, was deafening.

Those on the left (which I am not, btw; I'm an anarchist who despises left-wing and right-wing statism with equal vigor) have never ignored Saddam's crimes and do not today. The anti-war side has simply stated that the U.S. military is there to deal with threats to the United States. In other words, we advocate the same foreign policy that was advocated by Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and all the other folks you might have encountered whenever you last opened a history book. What is now reviled as "isolationism" used to be called "neutrality" or even "patriotism"--before that latter word became associated with the belligerent nationalist fanaticism exemplified by the current redneck-in-chief.

If you want to find out a little bit about what conservatism really is, turn off Limbaugh and Hannity and read Lew Rockwell, Murray Rothbard, Paul Craig Roberts, or even Pat Buchanan--people who, unlike the war-crazed talking heads, actually have some sense of historical perspective that hasn't been addled by kneejerk patriotism. Who knows, you might grow to like actual *analysis* once you get used to it. "

First of all buddy, you have a lot of audacity to come in here and try to tell ME what I have or haven't read. Don't predicate my education solely on my prior statement because you don't know two sh*ts about me, and I can only imagine you are well versed on horse-sh*t history that you and your "well informed Anarchist" buddies swap around because you are simply too "elite and rebellious" for our political structure. Get a F'in clue. I dare you to remotely start a country with an anarchist society. It would get you nowhere, and would probably set society back one thousand years. I laugh at the whole idea that you think you are an anarchist, because you probably have no freakin' clue on what one really is, and what being an anarchist society entails. Get a day job buddy, so you can at least help the economy if you aren't going to support government.
On another note: Just because I supported Bush and love my country(who I don't really love) over that half-assed canidate John Kerry means I am a "nationalist redneck?" And apparently by your use of the word redneck, everyone from the South must be one. I highly doubt you are as educated as you think you are. Your "elite anarchist" ideals are clearly distorting YOUR views on reality.
Yes, I support Bush over Kerry. I don't love George Bush but I thought he was the better canidate. And at least I voted and voiced my opinion, I'm sure you didn't even get out there to express your disgust for our president. Then again, if you did vote, you are clearly disobeying the rules of true anarchism.
Yes, I supported the war because a malicious human being such as Saddam Hussein should be taken out of power. It's not a question of if, it was a question of when. And since our friendly "allies" France and Germany weren't going to help out (They had trading ties with Saddam; Oil anyone?), it was up to the U.S, Britain, Australia, and other allied countries to take the fight on. I would want my leader out of power if he was as sadistic as Saddam was/is.
As for your statement that the Republicans were staying quiet when Saddam was gassing the Kurds...I highly doubt that, considering our Republican president at the time was an advocate of the war. Also, this war wouldn't even be happening right now if it wasn't for Colin Powell who urged the president to pull out and to not completely take out Saddam.
As for us supporting Saddam? No sh*t it happened. I'm not ignorant. But maybe you are to history considering some U.S congressmen (J.F.K's father for one) was an advocate of the Nazi party before World War 2. (which is why he stepped down from his position) We also supported Osama Bin Laden when he gave him weapons to fight of the Russians who we were stuck in the cold war with. What's your point? No one could have predicted that all three parties would come back to bite us in the ass. I don't have a crystal ball that tells the future, do you? It's easy to sit back and play Monday morning quarterback and criticize our government for it's past mistakes. Get off your high horse you jackass.

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Green Day – Holiday Lyrics 20 years ago
I Find this incredibly sad. I read this whole entire thread, (now THAT is sad) and what I mostly, (I said mostly) find is that people are idiotic.
I wasn't even a member of this site until I felt so compelled by this thread, that I had to join so I can comment on this issue. Let me first say a few things:
I like Green Day, but I don't like them too much anymore (I still think Dookie was the best). I'm not saying they "sold out," and I'm not saying they "suck" or anything of that matter. I am just so sick and tired of hearing every musician in America bitch and moan about the Bush administration in their music. News flash guys; when I listen to music, I want to ESCAPE the political crap. That goes both ways as well. I am a Bush supporter, but even if there was some sort of band that supported Bush (they would never get a record contract anyway) I would still tire of having their message JAMMED down my throat. You people want to bitch about Bush brainwashing; well pull your heads out of your asses because your "favorite band" does the most brainwashing? Not to mention they are extremely overplayed on the damn radio.

Another topic which has been beaten like a deadhorse. I see jackasses on this board state "Bush=Hitler" What a F*cking Joke. I'm assuming anyone who has said that has the education of a sheltered third grader. I don't even take those comments seriously because they are so far out of reason that it makes a dog licking his balls look smarter than the juvenile who wrote it.
Let's go through the facts:
1.Bush is elected by a group of congressman/woman who represent the American people's votes.
2.Someone had said that "the citizens should not have to stand for having a bad leader" (not an exact quote but close enough) Well guess what? The citizens feel that this "bad leader" was good enough for the country since the majority of the country voted for him. (Would you Kerry supporters just GIVE UP on Ohio for god's sake) Now hypothetically, if you, and your plastic shovel-wielding kindergartener colleagues felt the need to, "uprise" against our leaders, then that would be a completely "facist" act(since everyone throws the word around without knowing the meaning, I thought I would too.) because you would be going against what the majority wanted for our country.
While we are on the topic of contradictions and facts, lets list a few more:
1.) The majority of the military does indeed support George W. Bush. Probably not 90% but the majority.
2.) If you are so adament about "taking bad leaders out of power," then what was the problem with taking Saddam Hussein? "But he didn't have anything to do with our country," you say! Well, I believe that S.O.B (who you can compare to Hitler accurately) deserved to be taken out since he was oppressing his people for years, as well as commiting mass genocide.
You know it's funny with you extreme left wing nuts: You preach about stopping war and keeping people from dying, but you apparently advocate the extreme slaughtering of millions of people (and yes it is millions). Let's not forget to mention all the "liberals" who bitched and moaned how we are killing "innocent Iraqis." Where the hell were you the whole time Saddam torturing whoever they pleased?
3.) The damn media is a joke. More than half of you base your opinions on what CNN or John Stewart has to say. Let me tell you something, the Media is Left-Wing. No doubt about it, don't even argue it. The only republican channel is Fox News. When you read the NY Times or whatever, you are basically looking at one side of the picture. You would never hear anything about the good stuff our men and women are doing in Iraq because it would never make the news because the media doesn't want this conflict to seem like a success or a good cause. On a side note: If any of you give me some sort of "fact" based on a Michael Moore film you have watched, go slam your head against a hard metal door right now, because he is the biggest propagandist of them all.

I'm going to stop now because I'm totally losing my train of thought and I am surely digressing. I just needed to vent and express my opinion. This rant does not apply to everyone, and it does not apply to all liberals, just the ignorant people who continue to make stupid comments on message boards because "Billie Joe" and P. Diddy told them too.

Anyways, sorry for any grammatical errors or anything. I am in a rush.

P.S- I always find it hillarious when people write "sorry for the grammer issues" and they always spell grammar incorrectly. (See previous line)

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