| Seabound – Castaway Lyrics | 16 years ago |
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"Pain, unlike pleasure, wears no mask" is a line from Oscar Wilde's De Profundis. I think the complete paragraph it appears in gives some insight into the song. It goes: "Behind joy and laughter there may be a temperament, coarse, hard and callous. But behind sorrow there is always sorrow. Pain, unlike pleasure, wears no mask. Truth in art is not any correspondence between the essential idea and the accidental existence; it is not the resemblance of shape to shadow, or of the form mirrored in the crystal to the form itself; it is no echo coming from a hollow hill, any more than it is a silver well of water in the valley that shows the moon to the moon and Narcissus to Narcissus. Truth in art is the unity of a thing with itself: the outward rendered expressive of the inward: the soul made incarnate: the body instinct with spirit. For this reason there is no truth comparable to sorrow. There are times when sorrow seems to me to be the only truth. Other things may be illusions of the eye or the appetite, made to blind the one and cloy the other, but out of sorrow have the worlds been built, and at the birth of a child or a star there is pain." |
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| Seabound – The Promise Lyrics | 16 years ago |
| I think it's about the moment you realize you're in love with someone. They have a sexual relationship, but "suddenly you smile and turn to look at me." | |
| Mesh – Crash Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| I think it's about knowing a breakdown is near, but I'm not sure if it's about a individual breaking down or a society. I'm guessing a society because of the "our" and the "we." | |
| Mesh – The World's A Big Place Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| This is just a short little track at the end of the cd, but it's one of my favourite Mesh songs. It's lovely. | |
| Wolfsheim – Heroin, She Said Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| This really reminds me of a certain girl I know that lived from high to high, but as soon as she wasn't everything went to hell. She managed to turn her life around eventually though when she had her baby, and (thank God or whoever), her baby was normal, but whenever I hear this song I remember the days when we were all sure she might die at any time. I hope her son never sees the person that's described in the song. | |
| Wolfsheim – Blind Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| Yeah, I think this song is probably literally about a blind person. | |
| Seabound – Assymetry Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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I know that's not how you spell asymmetry, that's just the way the title was spelled by them. Okay, this is definitely a reference to the twelve disciples and the twelfth, Judas, betraying Jesus... but beyond that I'm not sure, it may not really have a meaning beyond what it says. |
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| VNV Nation – Voice Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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If you look at the vocal version of Saviour it might explain. In Saviour he's saying that god has two sides. This is just a random guess but this could be saying that the kind "A God of love. A God of care. A God of hope." benevolent god is a illusion, and there is only one side to god. From Saviour again: "You seek a God to stand above you, wrapping healing arms around you. You'll find another God of pain, a God of suffering and tears." Thus, "We are not the same, I am just one voice. We are not the same, I am not your god." That's a sad interpretation, that god isn't really on your side and doesn't really care, but I think it's a possible one. |
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| VNV Nation – Airships Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| That's just what I pictured, too, Panzerbane. | |
| Assemblage 23 – Lullaby Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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FireEatingNinja: "The lyrics of this song may sound happy but are about death. It's saying that death is a sleep to look forward to. Not preaching death, but that's how I see it." I disagree. The line "As you sink beneath the soothing streams of time May you be thankful that you had another day For there comes a time when each of us will enter A sleep from which we will never wake" seems to be saying "be thankful you're still alive." |
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| De/Vision – Uncaring Machine Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| There's a song called Karma Coma by Massive Attack that seems to be a little bit similar in content (in some ways, it's not immediately obvious), I wonder if they've heard it. | |
| Seabound – Domination Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| Between this, Breathe, Doubleplusungood and The Promise.. I think Frank is kinky. =P | |
| VNV Nation – Fragments Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| (I was worried about possible interpretations for a while. Feel much better now. But yes, I like the way emueyes put it.) | |
| Seabound – Castaway Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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According to the lyric book that comes with the cd, the lyrics are actually: Pain unlike pleasure Wears no mask What about trust? It's funny you should ask A force inside me craved To love you But I prefered to close my eyes And now you're gone And I turn out to be the one That can't go on You just have to be mine I love you And I have proof I drilled a hole Into the body of this boat Take this ray of light Veil the moon and hold the tide Calm the wind - you might Control the sea If you save my life We will rise And shine so bright That the stars will go blind And leave Leave the sky You're the world I want to live in Can I exist in you? Oh, you want proof Another shipwreck to amuse you? If we allow our souls to fly We could meet in the sky You go your way I'll cross your line From time to time Are you the fire that burns me? The ice that cracks beneath me? |
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| Wolfsheim – The Sparrows and the Nightingales Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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"It is pretty militant at times (Who fights this holy civil war/ a million men in uniform). " Yeah, I suppose the entire interpretation of the song will rest on whether or not you take that line to be sarcasm or ironic, or not. |
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| VNV Nation – Fragments Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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I agree with fireinthedawn. I'm just going to post this one last time here, that it is not an endorsement of fascism. As I said in the other two places I posted this, I wrote to the VNV Nation info address and asked for a statement on some of their fans being white supremicists and this is the answer I got: "Hi there, Thanks for writing. To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of any fans being vocal about white supremacist views. I've seen arguments between people with very deeply held religious beliefs about the interpretation of songs but nothing akin to what you're telling us about. I am sorry that your experience has given you cause to wonder about us. Even a cursory view of our lyrics would tell people that our message is a positive and benevolent one. It is a message of self betterment. It is humanist and it goes out to people all over the world. We have been on record saying this many times. Our fanbase includes people from a large number of ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, people from a large number of different religions, those with deeply held spiritual beliefs and those without, people with different political beliefs, lifestyles and sexual orientation. We are very proud of this. We are especially proud to know that our music and words provide a common meaning to such a wide variety of people. Our music and its message are most definitely non exclusive and do not stem from or espouse an ideology or political message. What we don't want is to be promoted by anyone with an extremist view should it lead others to think that we share those views, whatever they may be. As for our line on fans with extreme views : In my travels, I have met many people through VNV Nation with views that would be called "extremist", both religious or political. Reading that, one might assume that I mean people with extreme right wing opinions or of European origin but It would surprise many to know that this is not the case not to mention the range of views that I have come across and from people of very different ethnic backgrounds and orientation. My line has always been that, people will hold whatever view they wish to hold, no matter what anyone has to say. BUT.. these views are their own and should not be promoted in conjunction with VNV Nation. We are quite categorical in that we do not share any extremist views of a racial, political or religious nature. One thing we definitely do not agree with is any message that promotes hatred. I welcome the chance for people to discuss their views in an orderly and intellectual manner in the appropriate setting. The world is full of differing views, but that does not mean people cannot discuss what they believe in an effort to learn more about one another and hopefully to come to a better point of view about the world. Though it is a rare occurrence, it is not the first time Mark or I have been asked about our personal views on white supremacy. My answer has always been to suggest that those asking speak to our friends, in particular those who are gay or lesbian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or of African descent. That might take a while as there are quite a few. Something similar to your question happened when we played at an Aids benefit and received emails asking if we were gay and advocate gay rights. This question came from people on both sides of the subject. We're advocates of nothing other than a world with a common goal of solving our mounting problems together, not throwing stones at one another and emphasising our differences. I hope this answers your question. regards, Ronan" |
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| VNV Nation – Voice Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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Alright, I already posted this in Chrome but I hope nobody minds if I post it in a couple other places, just in case people are getting the wrong idea about what VNV Nation is about. I e-mailed the VNV Nation info line and asked for a statement about some of their fans being white supremicists (i.e. Waldemar). Here is the answer I recieved: "Hi there, Thanks for writing. To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of any fans being vocal about white supremacist views. I've seen arguments between people with very deeply held religious beliefs about the interpretation of songs but nothing akin to what you're telling us about. I am sorry that your experience has given you cause to wonder about us. Even a cursory view of our lyrics would tell people that our message is a positive and benevolent one. It is a message of self betterment. It is humanist and it goes out to people all over the world. We have been on record saying this many times. Our fanbase includes people from a large number of ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, people from a large number of different religions, those with deeply held spiritual beliefs and those without, people with different political beliefs, lifestyles and sexual orientation. We are very proud of this. We are especially proud to know that our music and words provide a common meaning to such a wide variety of people. Our music and its message are most definitely non exclusive and do not stem from or espouse an ideology or political message. What we don't want is to be promoted by anyone with an extremist view should it lead others to think that we share those views, whatever they may be. As for our line on fans with extreme views : In my travels, I have met many people through VNV Nation with views that would be called "extremist", both religious or political. Reading that, one might assume that I mean people with extreme right wing opinions or of European origin but It would surprise many to know that this is not the case not to mention the range of views that I have come across and from people of very different ethnic backgrounds and orientation. My line has always been that, people will hold whatever view they wish to hold, no matter what anyone has to say. BUT.. these views are their own and should not be promoted in conjunction with VNV Nation. We are quite categorical in that we do not share any extremist views of a racial, political or religious nature. One thing we definitely do not agree with is any message that promotes hatred. I welcome the chance for people to discuss their views in an orderly and intellectual manner in the appropriate setting. The world is full of differing views, but that does not mean people cannot discuss what they believe in an effort to learn more about one another and hopefully to come to a better point of view about the world. Though it is a rare occurrence, it is not the first time Mark or I have been asked about our personal views on white supremacy. My answer has always been to suggest that those asking speak to our friends, in particular those who are gay or lesbian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or of African descent. That might take a while as there are quite a few. Something similar to your question happened when we played at an Aids benefit and received emails asking if we were gay and advocate gay rights. This question came from people on both sides of the subject. We're advocates of nothing other than a world with a common goal of solving our mounting problems together, not throwing stones at one another and emphasising our differences. I hope this answers your question. regards, Ronan" |
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| VNV Nation – Chrome Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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"Zycloned_Leviathan on 11-04-2005 @ 01:48:58 PM great song, but is it true that vnv nation are nazis?" I have the answer to this (hopefully this will shut up waldemar for good, I hope nobody minds if i post this in a couple other places on here, because I would really like to get those people to go elsewhere). I e-mailed their info address and told them I was looking for information on behalf of myself and a few others on what VNV Nation's policy is on having white supremacist fans, and Ronan wrote back. (I'm trying not to lapse into fangirl squealing 'bout getting mail from my favourite artist.) "Hi there, Thanks for writing. To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of any fans being vocal about white supremacist views. I've seen arguments between people with very deeply held religious beliefs about the interpretation of songs but nothing akin to what you're telling us about. I am sorry that your experience has given you cause to wonder about us. Even a cursory view of our lyrics would tell people that our message is a positive and benevolent one. It is a message of self betterment. It is humanist and it goes out to people all over the world. We have been on record saying this many times. Our fanbase includes people from a large number of ethnic backgrounds and nationalities, people from a large number of different religions, those with deeply held spiritual beliefs and those without, people with different political beliefs, lifestyles and sexual orientation. We are very proud of this. We are especially proud to know that our music and words provide a common meaning to such a wide variety of people. Our music and its message are most definitely non exclusive and do not stem from or espouse an ideology or political message. What we don't want is to be promoted by anyone with an extremist view should it lead others to think that we share those views, whatever they may be. As for our line on fans with extreme views : In my travels, I have met many people through VNV Nation with views that would be called "extremist", both religious or political. Reading that, one might assume that I mean people with extreme right wing opinions or of European origin but It would surprise many to know that this is not the case not to mention the range of views that I have come across and from people of very different ethnic backgrounds and orientation. My line has always been that, people will hold whatever view they wish to hold, no matter what anyone has to say. BUT.. these views are their own and should not be promoted in conjunction with VNV Nation. We are quite categorical in that we do not share any extremist views of a racial, political or religious nature. One thing we definitely do not agree with is any message that promotes hatred. I welcome the chance for people to discuss their views in an orderly and intellectual manner in the appropriate setting. The world is full of differing views, but that does not mean people cannot discuss what they believe in an effort to learn more about one another and hopefully to come to a better point of view about the world. Though it is a rare occurrence, it is not the first time Mark or I have been asked about our personal views on white supremacy. My answer has always been to suggest that those asking speak to our friends, in particular those who are gay or lesbian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or of African descent. That might take a while as there are quite a few. Something similar to your question happened when we played at an Aids benefit and received emails asking if we were gay and advocate gay rights. This question came from people on both sides of the subject. We're advocates of nothing other than a world with a common goal of solving our mounting problems together, not throwing stones at one another and emphasising our differences. I hope this answers your question. regards, Ronan" |
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| Icon Of Coil – Former Self Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| The key to understanding this song is the title, Formerself. I think it's about looking back and not recognizing the person you used to be as you. When you show someone old photos you say "This is me with my friend so-and-so, this is me at the Grand Canyon... etc."I think the narrator is looking back on some pretty bad scenes - on drugs and emotionally all messed up - and saying that isn't me anymore. | |
| Assemblage 23 – 30 Kft Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| Me too... when I first heard this song I had to stop what I was doing and pay all attention to it. It's mesmerizing. | |
| VNV Nation – Left Behind Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| I think it's a complex song but a simple meaning in the end: Don't cry, open your eyes, look around you, the world's still here and the past is past. Give yourself a another chance and I will, too. | |
| Wolfsheim – The Sparrows and the Nightingales Lyrics | 17 years ago |
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I think it's describing a kind of fascist world, where everything's unnatural. A warlike society built on lies where everything's flashy and showy (I think of Nazi parades, in the song you can hear the sound of marching soldiers) but people feel dead and empty inside. It seems like the narrator is comforting the people who resist this world, telling them that truth and beauty still exist and the people who made this dead world may be able to fool the people but they can't alter what is true reality, they can't fool god. History will show them for what they are. (That probably sounds really dramatic, but hey, it's a dramatic song.) |
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| Covenant – Call the Ships to Port Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| To me it sounds like it's talking about the logic of dreams (for lack of a better way to put that, Covenant songs are hard to describe!) It reminds me of the dramatic dreamlike feel of classic fairy tales and legends, where everything is a symbol and nothing happens that doesn't mean something. I probably don't make a lot of sense here, but that's what I think of: the stories and dreams that make up our collective unconscious. | |
| Covenant – Invisible and Silent Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| To me it sounds like the narrator is realizing that someone he knew and thought he was close to doesn't really know him at all. | |
| VNV Nation – Endless Skies Lyrics | 17 years ago |
| This song means a lot to me, too, I'm glad to see others appreciate it as much as I do. In my own life it fits very well, because of my mental illness (it's a big part of my life so I don't mind saying it) I really did lose years and many people and I was often overwhelmed by all that was going on in my mind, so I feel it fits my situation well. I think the basic meaning of this song is: life is hard, but very beautiful and if you realize this and learn to let whatever happens happen, it'll never be too late to live. | |
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