Forsythia

I think it's about disasociating with yourself when things get tough. Not really having an alternate personality but kind of distancing from the trouble.

Ok, I remember reading an interview somewhere (memory is fuzzy, I could be wrong), but that Nina wrote this about her childhood and telling lies compulsively to her friends for acceptance. I know that she said "A spider monkey is a good lie" meant that she used to tell her elementary school friends that she had a spider monkey as a pet. So the way I hear it is Forsythia is Nina's alter, the one that made up stories. "She comes around and I get lost" etc. Much in the way that Seether is supposedly Louise's alter

i dont get it, but the song is amazing. the guitar solo is the greatest part.

I don't get it either. I know its about her making up lies about her parents being divorced but I dont get what any of the other stuff is. The only lines that have to do with that is: I don't mind, lying to my friends.

Other than that its weird lyrically. The solo though is one of the best solos you'll ever hear in a veruca salt song. Good Stuff.

Moonlapse Vertigo, songs mean whatever you want them to mean (which is the biggest problem with this website), but I disagree with you. I think people should be able to write a song about someone of the same gender, regardless of their sexual orientation. To me, she's describing a girl who is very unique and posesses some generally bad qualities that the writer (who is Nina Gordon, in this case) is willing to overlook.

Also, she could have written this about herself. That makes sense because as Numberoneblind pointed out, the 'I don't mind lying to my friends' line is referring to her parents' divorce, and so the girl she's describing could be herself, or maybe just a different side of her that she isn't used to.

um....forsythia is a flower not a woman. Look it up!

And they aren't lesbians! not that i'd care if they were or not but I sincerely doubt they are lesbians.

I'm pretty confident this song is about lying in general, most likely pathologically. A girl who will say anything to be cool, who will do anything to be accepted. The color yellow has been known to represent being scared, like "yellow-bellied." This means to me that she's scared of who she really is without lying. I think it makes sense.

Ok. First off, Louise and Nina are not gay. never were. Louise actually dated Dave Grohl and now has a child. so that interpretation is just plain wrong. lol

It's pretty obvious this song is about getting knocked up

I mean. the yellow baby part, isn't that like universal language for pregnancy tests? red babies meaning "sorry, no baby this time. try again" and yellow babies meaning "yes, you just got yourself a brand new baby" or whatever. either way, girls are supposed to pee on those sticks. so the baby is gonna look yellow anyway.

so yeah. yellow baby -she discovers she's pregnant. is a bad sign but i don't mind -she tells herself it's o.k. but she's scared

spider monkey is actually a sex position. and it might be a good lie in the same way that having sex standing up is safe and won't get you pregnant is a lie. like she was told doing it that way would be safe and well...

only that it's actually not a good lie. it's a bad lie. but she obviously keeps telling herself that "it's a good lie" because bottom line she was fooled by someone however she's not ready to accept that, even though deep inside she knows it. hence the "i don't know why" line. i don't know why it's a good lie. it isn't, okay.

Forsythia is a flower that is yellow. like the pregnancy test baby. Forsythias grow on spring. and everybody knows springtime tends to make people more horny. so people actually have more sex during spring. and thus more ladies get knocked up.

The whole chorus "One thing about Forsythia / She comes around and I get lost /Against her yellow I'm no longer me." sounds pretty emotional to me. but it fits just fine into my interpretation. a.k.a our subject comes across this plant and upon her recent discovery of pregnancy, she just sort of contemplates it, appreciating its beauty and musing on the idea of having a child. which can be pretty overwhelming for someone who wasn't expecting it.

Anyways, the next verse I don't mind sitting in the way back, way back

• if you ever went to school, have you noticed how the people that sit in the back are usually the people that try hard not to be noticed by anyone. bitch's a smart gurl. she's gonna sit in the way way back, that way she might fool them for a few days when the belly starts to show?

I don't mind, lying to my friends

• hey, did you just go to the restroom and vomit? Yeah, that taco was no good...

so there you go for all we know, this might be the irl story of the first time Nina had to schedule an appointment with an abortionist during her high school years. but she wasn't gonna tell that it's about that so. hey, it's about telling lies!