Chevelle – Clones

This is the first I've heard of this. I find it VERY strange that anyone would say Chevelle sounded like Tool. Tool sucks and all their stuff sounds exactly alike. Chevelle sounds like a melodic lullaby, it's beautiful. lol.

While I do like Tool I do not like them near as much as a i do Chevelle, and to say they sound alike is lost with me. So this would surprise me as well.

@Joel2point0 Tool and chevelle are two of my favorite bands, they may sound similar but the feeling while listening to each band is too diferent. That's my opinion.

Congratulations, Rudez88. Your post is the straw to break the camel's back. In this case, the straw is the highly unoriginal sentiment you've regurgitated, while the camel's back is my patience with that sentiment.

Intention does not equal meaning. An artist can say what they intended (partially or fully) with their art, but that does not exhaust what the art means. If I write the word "ORANGE" on a billboard, and intended the color, while some other dude comes along and reads it as meaning the fruit, the word "ORANGE" on the billboard has at least two meanings, both the color and the fruit. In other words, the subjective experience of the other dude is not *merely* subjective. It touches on an objective facet of the symbol. Yes, I didn't intend for the word to be read as meaning the fruit, but I should have been aware that the English word "orange" *just does* have these common meanings. That's what it means to share language. (This is all Semiotics 101, by the way.)

I hate this about popular music criticism and interpretation: any attempt to forward an objective interpretation of music and/or lyrics--especially when the interpretation posits religious aspects--is shot down as "intolerant," "close-minded," etc. 'We all got our opinions, man, and no one has any right to forward his opinion over anyone else's.' Anyone see the irony of this last sentence? This sentence, parroted in how many different ways in press and on the Internet, forwards *AS OBJECTIVE FACT* the *OPINION* that it is wrong to forward one's opinion as fact. You might rejoin that it is *not* an opinion that it is wrong to forward one opinion as fact, but rather a *fact*, to which I pose the following question: How do you know?

Answer: You don't. There are no practical means of determining which domains of discussion are open to fact and which open merely to opinion. (Also, in classical thought, "opinion" didn't mean something that was true for its believer and not necessarily true for anyone else; it meant something of which its believer wasn't 100% sure.) If anyone actually cares about value theory and types of knowledge, realize that this whole "Fact vs. Opinion" garbage is based on the long-refuted philosophical system of logical positivism. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… )

With respects to "Clones," come on: read "I'd simply ascend / To see what the soul looks like in the end," consider Pete's admitted Catholicism, and try to read it in a non-religious way. (The "they're not a Christian band" bullshit is a cop-out. And again, what Pete consciously intends is only one part of the picture.) Whether "Clones" syncs up specifically with "Envy" is a matter of debate, but jackwhiteWannaBe is right that this album's symbolism is laced with religious significance.

I love how music can be something different and meaningful to different people. I get a completely different vibe from this song, but i think its cool that you get something from it at-least.

I've got to agree with Rudez88, everyone should find their own meaning in music, don't state your interpretation to a song so matter-of-factly, especially when Pete himself has explicitly stated that they are not a Christian band, and that they all feel music shouldn't be a podium for religious preaching, and Pete has also stated that this song was touching on all the criticism they've received for their similarities to Tool.

I'm not trying to say that your not intiled to your idea of this songs, infact I love to know that someone has found such a strong connection to such a beautiful songs, but you shouldn't run around talking about songs like music is is so black and white. Maybe this isn't what you meant, but when you say things like "This song's understanding (I assume you meant meaning) is obvious" it sounds like your saying that everyone else here is wrong

Also I'd like to hear your interpretation of Envy, to me that song was seemed to be a literal explanation of envy, so I'm curious as to were you got you ideas from

not sure why my OP is included in my followup post, sorry for double posting

Has nothing to do with religion. Period. I hate people who dance around stuff so they don't sound one sided or mean. It is what it is.

No, actually, you're all wrong. The song is about an alien invasion where they create clones of a lonely man using space-age technology and chemical reactions. Then, they take the clones on an adventure into outer space, where he and his army save an obscure planet from annihilation.

Seriously. If you don't like the guy's interpretation, don't read it. Just listen to the damn music.