Steely Dan – Rose Darling

General Commenti've always taken that the song was about masturbation...You know, the whole rosy palm thing--rose darling--he can't "visit" rose until snake mary (girlfriend, wife) has fallen asleep. masturbation is a way to "make my wildest dreams come true"

some pretty sick images follow if that's the way you read the lyrics. but maybe i'm wrong.

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  You're not wrong at all. This song is straight up (pardon the pun) about masturbation.

  Flag jimmyk3keyson February 08, 2019  

My InterpretationHello one and all.

Based on the lyrics I am convinced this is about a young man in a Catholic orphanage. Mary and Rose are both names associated with Catholicism. "Snake Mary" sounds like "Sister Mary" filtered through adolescent ears and further there is the suggestion she might be poor, consistent with a vow of poverty.

I think "spore on the wind" and "feel it 'till it grows" are both premonitions that Rose will become pregnant from these encounters. 'Till it grows has a double meaning, but the fetus is the main implication. Not that our protagonist actually understands the coming consequence (wow, I can do double meanings too!). "What I've learned" is probably not much more than (1) that masturbation feels good and (2) you are cool if you do it in a girl. Both of which, to adolescents stuck the terminal institutional boredom, would be an irresistible diversion.

Donald Fagan, if you are out there...after 30+ years of adult fandom, I am still maturing into new appreciation of Steely tunes. (Gold Teeth 2, at the moment.) Thank you for giving your all to this art, and condolences at the loss of your alchemical coniunctio.

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  @connectoronto

General CommentIt's fairly obviously about sex and seducing a woman, wile using some incredibly crass euphemisms like their "steamy sounds of love", "make my wildest dreams come true", "you won't feel it 'til it grows" (he must be a grower not a shower!). "The spore is on the wind tonight" somehow refers to the way fungi reproduce through spores carried on the wind--perhaps that "love is in the air" tonight? Who's "Snake Mary," though? (And doesn't a snake seem vaguely phallic?)

Something about Steely Dan singing about "steaming sounds of love" makes me giggle.

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  @ProfessorKnowItAll

General CommentYour right,but I thought the lyric was 'St Mary's gone to bed". Or else I could be wrong

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  @kamakiriad

My OpinionI think this song is clearly about a man who is cheating on his wife with either one of her realtives or a close family friend who is Rose, that is staying with them. Obviously him and wife don't have a good relationship that is why he's referring to her as a snake. He starts this affair with this woman thats staying with them. They have sex when the wife is sleeping and when she goes out of town. For him its more than sex now and he's falling in love with Rose. He wants to leave his wife Mary and start a relationship with Rose. But, he seems to want this more than Rose because he keeps having to convince her that their doing the right thing. I don't think Rose wants to hurt Mary.

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  @sweetteach

General Commentmy interpetation of this song is rose darling come to me/snake marys gone to bed[my old lady is sleeping and out like a light.] all our steaming sounds of love,cannot disturb her in the nite or raise her sleeping head[please lets get it on rose. mary wont hear us.] all i ask of you/is make my wildest dreams come true/no-one sees and no-one knows] he is trying to seduce rose, pleading with her to have sex with him,and know one will ever know specificaly snake mary![rose darling come to me/snake mary dreams along/i would guess shes in detroit/with lots of money in the bank/although i could be wrong] now hes simply explaining that mary is in a deep sleep and dreaming. he speculates that she is dreaming of being in detroit with a lot of cash. mayby cause mary had talked of an ex lover in michagen that she wishes she could have burned for all he was worth and she cant stop regreting it? thus he regards mary as SNAKE. although i could be wrong.[you must know its right/the spore is on the wind tonite/you wont feel it till it grows] just a clever attempt to assure rose that everything is O.K. and only natural. when they become passionate mary will surrender to to the void. the sexual tension will consume rose and then she will finally understand.---CHORUS--rose darling my friend/with only you and what ive found/we-ll way the weary hours down.----he is simply assuring mary that he has what he wants and they can take advantage by having sex through the nite.[rose darling come to me/the clock is close at hand]he is getting desperate. rose is holding out,but if they dont get it on soon,mary will wake up. the time is now.[all my empty words of love can never screen the flash i feel or make you understand.] he realizes all his bullshit cant hide the fact that he just wants a peice of ass. he knows he cant bullshit her.[honey cant you see/i know its real its got to be/why not chase it where it goes?]this is the funniest part. he is now desperate,and realizes she aint going along with this crap. mayby she dont want to betray mary or rose simply is not in the mood? this is typical song writting from steely dan. they said in an interview that they laugh thier asses off writting a lot of songs. they inject humore into thier music while composing music about sensitive subjects and marry the music and lyrics so as the listener has to realy pay attention to get the joke.---example---everything you did from royal scam about a man catching his wife cheating on him.-halarious! and everyones gone to the movies from katy lied. all about a child molester. steely dan r the bomb. thier music is awsome no matter what subject they sing about. thats just my opinon. although i could be wrong

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  @arvinator

My InterpretationWhat if Snake Mary isn't a real person in this context? Snakes can be symbolic of temptation in general so I'm going to offer an alternative theory that Snake Mary represents the wilder side of the girl he's trying to seduce. She's already given in and agreed to go to bed (with him) and having a great time! (imagery of wealth and luxury)

All in all, the narrator is trying to turn a big step in their relationship into something off the cuff and spontaneous. Take the conflicting imagery in:
All I ask of you / is make my wildest dreams come true
Oh is that all? Just embodying all of the fantasies he's been imagining - totally reasonable

By the end of the song he's convinced her (or is convinced that he's convinced her) because he stops wheedling and start talking plainly again:
All my empty words of love / can never hide the flash I feel / or make you understand

And he's even arrogant enough to take credit for the seduction and the sex:
With only you and what I found / we'll wear the weary hours down
Notice the juxtaposition of the pronouns in the chorus. Who exactly is involved (both of them) but who "discovered" this idea (what I found)?

Sounds like a total sleezeball. :) But that's classic SD storytelling and a fairly creepy background to a smooth sounding and catchy song.

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  @katiedid15

General CommentI agree with magicstephanie, the slightly childish lyrics and references to "Snake Mary" make me think this is written from the perspective of a college kid trying to get it on with his girlfriend in his hostel room, while the night supervisor sleeps.
I also think he has scored some cocaine and is wanting her to do a line with him i.e. "chase it where it goes", and the reference to "what I've found"...so what did he find?...a little coke methinks.

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  @Slyde

General CommentDefinitely one of the Dans' best songs.

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  @mafrand

General CommentThis song makes me happy whenever I hear it. Especially the chorus.

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  @gummo