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KoЯn – Faget Lyrics 11 years ago
Shows what you know about pain, torment, depression and suicide, not to mention art.

I know this was posted way long ago and the person who posted this doesn't care, but I feel the need to say this. There are some strong fucking people in this world. You would be surprised how many fucking amazing and influential people were tormented throughout their life, who were depressed to the core, and who only found freedom and life through their music. Many great leaders in the past have had depression and suicidal ideations. Just because everything in the world sucks, and everything hurts, and no one loves you, doesn't mean you kill yourself. If everyone with that kind of depth killed themselves, we would only have people like you, who wouldn't know what truth and/or art is if it beat the shit out of them every day for a year.

Furthermore, even if it was all a fucking "act" and all that shit was made up and everything, it wouldn't matter. The fact is that this song had truth in it, even if it's not HIS truth, which it is by the way. It helps people through shit like this, and thus it has more worth than anything you would think is good does, most likely.

Most artists who write stuff like this predominantly have serious issues, such as depression and suicidal thoughts and rage and mental illness etc. Writing this stuff is the only way to deal with it. The most important artists of the past (writing as well as painting etc) and the most important artists of the future are people who have been hurt in various ways and are strong enough not to listen to the fucks like you who populate this world and make the pain so strong, and instead of giving up, saying 'fuck you' and continuing on.

KoЯn – Justin Lyrics 11 years ago
Ugh, I know this is a million years old but I WISH you would fix the lyrics. For such an amazing song, with such important meaning, you think you could do at least that.

I mean, I can accept the mistake of "take up in space", which is either "take off in space" or "time [something] in space", but "I wish I hadn't drank?" Come on man, have a little respect for the weight of that line. It's "I wish I had your strength".

Natalie Merchant – Ophelia Lyrics 11 years ago
Ophelia is a character that holds great literary weight. She is one of the most used female symbols in art, and not just literary (which lyrics fall into that category). There are many, many songs and poems written about Ophelia that are not necessarily about Ophelia. For instance, in my intro to Lit class I had to memorize and recite a poem for the class, and I chose the poem Ophelia's Confession by Tracey Herd because I adore Ophelia as a symbol. The poem, in short, is of Ophelia confessing the kind of person she would have liked to be if she had been given a choice, wearing a dress far too tight showing lots of skin, a tattoo of flowers rather than the anchor that dragged her down (referring to not really the flowers but her love and grief), and being very sexual with men and women alike. In the last stanza she says that if she were alive today she would have had a very different final scene, and she is then painted as Princess Dianna, though not in name but in death, finally stating that that, at least, was an honest way to die.

Most important though, is the shortest stanza in the poem, which is my favorite. "I didn't drown by accident. I was a suicide. - At least let me call my mind my own - even when my heart was gone beyond recall."

What many people seem to forget is that Ophelia didn't die on accident, or at least the suggestion is heavy she didn't. In fact, a sexton in the play at her grave insists she had to have killed herself, which greatly upsets her brother of course because suicide is unforgivable and a one way ticket to Hell. I point out that she killed herself, that it was suicide, because it was not madness which killed her. Yes, she was torn and destroyed, broken inside and out over the death of her father and the supposed lost love of Hamlet. Yes, perhaps she was mad with grief (as suggested in the play) and distraught to the point of mad thoughts and speech. But what makes Ophelia's character so interesting, and why she and her name are used like in this song so much, is simply what she is. She is a woman, obedient to those she's loves, innocent, naive, optimistic, loyal, and loving. She is so loving that the loss of those she loved, her father and in a sense Hamlet, destroys her completely. Her heart has been shattered, her world has been left empty, the universe has been struck senseless and useless. Rather than wallow and become nothing but a shell of a person, Ophelia instead calls out those she feels has wronged her and her father. She gives people flowers, something her father was not given when he was buried, and then she gives Hamlet, and herself, rue, which is both a symbol of regret, and also a poisonous plant. To me this is a statement, "you will regret this Hamlet, because I will use this". After this, she is found drowned.

Today, if a woman decided to kill herself instead of living without her father and the love of a man we would call her weak, stupid, a classic case of thinking women are the weaker sex. But, in the play, Ophelia made her decision, a very big one, and had the strength to go through with it. As far as symbolism goes, Ophelia in the moments before her death was a very, very strong woman. Distraught, destroyed, and broken-hearted, yes, but very strong.

Back to this song. I have always heard this song as a description of various women, in various times, with very, very different lives. A nun, a 'demigoddess', a Marilyn Monroe type, a circus woman, a dark rebel girl (I always saw dark french brooding artist type), a mother, a mistress to a Vegas sleaze, the whole feminist movement, and a lost and broken woman (the last stanza). So very different, and yet still all holding one very important bit, which is part in the lyrics and part in the tone of how it's sung; they are all very powerful women. My favorite stanza is the Marilyn Monroe type one, depicting a very beautiful woman, and perhaps she has nothing else going for her, but she won the love of a nation overnight. Say what you will but that's power.

In short (and in case you went TLDR), this song in my opinion is a depiction of all women everywhere, no matter how different. We all may seem very different, in some cases like all we have in common is our gender, but we are all Ophelia, and ultimately, we all hold the power to be who and what we want, and we have the strength to make whatever it is we want happen.

Natalie Merchant – Ophelia Lyrics 11 years ago
I resent that comment angelcatrom, and I'm a woman, and I don't care if it was a joke statement or not. It's very hard to be wrong about a work of art, as each opinion and view is valid and important to the mere existence of said art.

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