You guys are focusing way too much on 2 lines out of 32. How can you honestly think the whole song is about religion when literally only 1/16 focuses on it.
I believe that this song is about the elites of our world and how their use fear to keep us from being free from the system that they have created. And yes religion is one part of the system, but only one part of a multi-faceted system.
@nicholass6 I think majority of the lines deal with religion:
@nicholass6 I think majority of the lines deal with religion:
The first nine lines are about religion (and a tied into religion by the tenth line).
The first nine lines are about religion (and a tied into religion by the tenth line).
Then the following seven lines similarly are about religion and tied in by the eighth line.
Then the following seven lines similarly are about religion and tied in by the eighth line.
The next five similarly deal with religion ... you could argue the line about Odin isn't dealing with religion (or at least the religions they are targeting).
The next five similarly deal with religion ... you could argue the line about Odin isn't dealing with religion (or at least the religions they are targeting).
Then the next eight lines are about religion and tied in with the last line.
Then the next eight lines are about religion and tied in with the last line.
So actually all but 1 line is directly in reference to religion!
So actually all but 1 line is directly in reference to religion!
That is a good point. And I definitely would say you have a valid argument. However, I guess this points to my whole argument as well. Generally people associate god with a religion, and rightly so. However, just because someone mentions god doesn't necessarily mean it is about religion.
That is a good point. And I definitely would say you have a valid argument. However, I guess this points to my whole argument as well. Generally people associate god with a religion, and rightly so. However, just because someone mentions god doesn't necessarily mean it is about religion.
Also when was the last time the church sent people off to war? It has been a long time since the church has sponsored a war IE: The Crusades. For the last couple of centuries it has been the political elites and monarchs and other such figures that have sent people off to war. And those people also use religion as a tool to keep people "enslaved to the system" so they can send them off to war and increase their power.
Also my last point: When I hear the phrase "gent society," and I swear I have heard the song a hundred times and I keep hearing dead society, I don't think of religion at all. Generally when I think about a "society" in reference to powerful people I think of the political and economic elite of our world colluding together to keep all of the power for themselves.
If this song was created 500 years ago I would 100% agree that it is about religion and only religion. However, since there hasn't been a holy war since about the 1300's or so I argue that this song is more about the elite of the world using religion and other things as a way to keep people down.
@nicholass6 most of their music is based in the Viking Age (8th to 11th century) ... so hard to know if they are talking about religion in it's current guise or historical guise (the reference to Odin may suggest historical and kept you down for 1000 years .... Christianity is 2000 years old nowadays)
@nicholass6 most of their music is based in the Viking Age (8th to 11th century) ... so hard to know if they are talking about religion in it's current guise or historical guise (the reference to Odin may suggest historical and kept you down for 1000 years .... Christianity is 2000 years old nowadays)
Again a good point. And I'll come at it from a little bit different angle. They said "We looked ahead from Odin's grave." As far as I know the people of the Norse religion worshipped Odin as a living god with the legends telling of a time when Fenrir would come an slay him. So "Odin's grave" to me means the point at which the Norse religion died as a "major religion."
Again a good point. And I'll come at it from a little bit different angle. They said "We looked ahead from Odin's grave." As far as I know the people of the Norse religion worshipped Odin as a living god with the legends telling of a time when Fenrir would come an slay him. So "Odin's grave" to me means the point at which the Norse religion died as a "major religion."
Also Christianity wasn't really a big religion in the world until Charlemagne united all of Europe under Christianity and the holy roman empire around 800 A.D. Islam was by far more wide spread by the time of the Viking Age and directly proceeding it.
So really you could interpret this as a completely historical song. Or you could interpret the 1000 years they talked about as ending around now or 2100. They did use the word "kept" signifying the past just to keep the record strait. Also I think that 1000 years they talked about is a reference to the stuff the Bible talked about in revelations. So you could even come at it from the direction that they reference the future as well in reference to the end times. However, for the Norse religion the "end times" so to speak already happened around 1000-1100 AD after most of the populations of Europe were converted to Christianity.
OMG you guys,
You guys are focusing way too much on 2 lines out of 32. How can you honestly think the whole song is about religion when literally only 1/16 focuses on it.
I believe that this song is about the elites of our world and how their use fear to keep us from being free from the system that they have created. And yes religion is one part of the system, but only one part of a multi-faceted system.
Set your spirit free.
@nicholass6 I think majority of the lines deal with religion:
@nicholass6 I think majority of the lines deal with religion:
The first nine lines are about religion (and a tied into religion by the tenth line).
The first nine lines are about religion (and a tied into religion by the tenth line).
Then the following seven lines similarly are about religion and tied in by the eighth line.
Then the following seven lines similarly are about religion and tied in by the eighth line.
The next five similarly deal with religion ... you could argue the line about Odin isn't dealing with religion (or at least the religions they are targeting).
The next five similarly deal with religion ... you could argue the line about Odin isn't dealing with religion (or at least the religions they are targeting).
Then the next eight lines are about religion and tied in with the last line.
Then the next eight lines are about religion and tied in with the last line.
So actually all but 1 line is directly in reference to religion!
So actually all but 1 line is directly in reference to religion!
@sokorny
@sokorny
That is a good point. And I definitely would say you have a valid argument. However, I guess this points to my whole argument as well. Generally people associate god with a religion, and rightly so. However, just because someone mentions god doesn't necessarily mean it is about religion.
That is a good point. And I definitely would say you have a valid argument. However, I guess this points to my whole argument as well. Generally people associate god with a religion, and rightly so. However, just because someone mentions god doesn't necessarily mean it is about religion.
Also when was the last time the church sent people off to war? It has been a long time since the church has sponsored a war IE: The Crusades. For the last couple of centuries it has been the political elites and monarchs and other such figures that have sent people off to war. And those people also use religion as a tool to keep people "enslaved to the system" so they can send them off to war and increase their power.
Also my last point: When I hear the phrase "gent society," and I swear I have heard the song a hundred times and I keep hearing dead society, I don't think of religion at all. Generally when I think about a "society" in reference to powerful people I think of the political and economic elite of our world colluding together to keep all of the power for themselves.
If this song was created 500 years ago I would 100% agree that it is about religion and only religion. However, since there hasn't been a holy war since about the 1300's or so I argue that this song is more about the elite of the world using religion and other things as a way to keep people down.
@nicholass6 most of their music is based in the Viking Age (8th to 11th century) ... so hard to know if they are talking about religion in it's current guise or historical guise (the reference to Odin may suggest historical and kept you down for 1000 years .... Christianity is 2000 years old nowadays)
@nicholass6 most of their music is based in the Viking Age (8th to 11th century) ... so hard to know if they are talking about religion in it's current guise or historical guise (the reference to Odin may suggest historical and kept you down for 1000 years .... Christianity is 2000 years old nowadays)
@sokorny
@sokorny
Again a good point. And I'll come at it from a little bit different angle. They said "We looked ahead from Odin's grave." As far as I know the people of the Norse religion worshipped Odin as a living god with the legends telling of a time when Fenrir would come an slay him. So "Odin's grave" to me means the point at which the Norse religion died as a "major religion."
Again a good point. And I'll come at it from a little bit different angle. They said "We looked ahead from Odin's grave." As far as I know the people of the Norse religion worshipped Odin as a living god with the legends telling of a time when Fenrir would come an slay him. So "Odin's grave" to me means the point at which the Norse religion died as a "major religion."
Also Christianity wasn't really a big religion in the world until Charlemagne united all of Europe under Christianity and the holy roman empire around 800 A.D. Islam was by far more wide spread by the time of the Viking Age and directly proceeding it.
So really you could interpret this as a completely historical song. Or you could interpret the 1000 years they talked about as ending around now or 2100. They did use the word "kept" signifying the past just to keep the record strait. Also I think that 1000 years they talked about is a reference to the stuff the Bible talked about in revelations. So you could even come at it from the direction that they reference the future as well in reference to the end times. However, for the Norse religion the "end times" so to speak already happened around 1000-1100 AD after most of the populations of Europe were converted to Christianity.
Tough to say.