If I Should Fall From Grace With God

Paddy1640. <br /> I believe that your answer hit the nail on the head: "(this is saying that if Ireland is coerced away from the Catholic Church, the heavens won't receive them - it has to do with the Protestant Reformation and England's penal laws....." it makes alot of sense. These Irish song I like and I understand there meanies "Men Behind The Wire", "Broad Black Brimmer"," The Foggy Dew","James Connolly" and "Sunday Bloody Sunday" and The Cranberries "Zombie". <br /> <br />

Paddy1640,<br /> <br /> Thank you for the explanation. I also honor my Irish ancestry, and agree that there is little if any "European-American" history taught in schools in the US. Sad to say, there'll never be clamor for an "Irish History Month"!<br /> Though I do respect the honor you have for your ancestors, and thus would not disparage them, please consider:<br /> During the incorrectly-dubbed "Civil War," the South (considerably Celtic in ancestry) fought for independence from the US government for the same reasons as our Colonists (including my ancestors) fought against King George: secession from a government deemed too powerful, abusive and corrupt (if only they could have imagined the power and corruption of same 150 years later!).<br /> The irony is this:<br /> While the Irish have long been dominated and subjugated by the British Crown, and has fought for independence from same, Irish immigrants were pressed into Union service during the war of 1861-65 to SUPPRESS the South, and force the Southern states back into the Union. They were, in effect, doing the same work as the British in 1775, and the British Crown in Ireland and Scotland for hundreds of years. Invade, suppress, kill, burn, and force acceptance at the point of a bayonet. Simply put, while Thomas Francis Meager fought valiantly FOR Irish independence, he fought AGAINST Southern independence in leading the Irish Brigade.<br /> Of course, "history" proclaims the South wrong, just as the Irish and Scots were "wrong" from England's point of view.<br /> While the counter of "The South fought for slavery, and the North fought against it!" is the justification, it is a far cry from reality. The North (and the federal government) profited enormously from the Atlantic Slave Trade, and from the exportation of Southern slave-produced goods. Slavery could not have existed were it not by the blessing of the United States government. Northern merchants, bank and insurance firms were but a few of the entities who demanded their share of a lucrative pie.<br /> Then, as now, 98% of the wealth - North and South - was controlled by the 1-2% who held enormous wealth and power. Some 95% of Southerners owned NO slaves, and would not have left their homes and young families to "protect the property" of the wealthy. In fact, had slavery not existed in the South, the plantations would have been occupied by poor white farmers, eager for employment - even if such paid (no pun intended) meager "slave wages."<br /> There is irony in the North having "won" freedom and independence by fighting against it; the massive, out-of-control leviathan that the federal government is today has its origin not in the administration of George Washington, but in that of Abraham Lincoln.

Thank you for the history lesson. It always amazes me what the schools either don't or don't intentionally teach about slavery...Massachusettes led the states in the slave trade and if it were not for the factories of the north the cotton would not have required slaves to work the southern fields. When it comes to prejudice and racism, no man is without it. Some just hide it deeper than others. It's a great song, but I was more impressed with your lesson :) Thanks again.

@Paddy1640 hi and thx for your explanation, I just translated the lyrics into german. i wonder what "It's coming up threes, boys - Keeps coming up threes, boys" means? is it just like 1, 2, 3 or? thx. may be you are still out there in www.

@Paddy1640 my grandfather served on a ship in the War Between the States....he was 13. His brother died at the Battle of Antietam. This was the first war with a draft. Rich people could forego the draft by paying 300 dollars, the cost of shipping a starved Irishman to America to take the rich lad's place. I agree with your assessment of those who would look to the government to solve all their problems, especially during the fake Plandemic....so many lining up for the lethal shot

@Paddy1640 my grandfather served on a ship in the War Between the States....he was 13. His brother died at the Battle of Antietam. This was the first war with a draft. Rich people could forego the draft by paying 300 dollars, the cost of shipping a starved Irishman to America to take the rich lad's place. I agree with your assessment of those who would look to the government to solve all their problems, especially during the fake Plandemic....so many lining up for the lethal shot

@Paddy1640 Mostly right but not the part about slavery. The Irish were indentured servants not slaves. Before you say it is the same, it\'s not. They knew they would be freed after a set time whereas slaves were the owner\'s property forever. \r\nMy family went from Cavan to Canada in the 1840s thanks to another genocide.

@Paddy1640 interesting. I don’t take it exactly the same way. To me this song sound like a call to arms or a rallying song for battle. I don’t think it is about the Church. I think it is a pronouncement of willingness to act (potentially in violence) in spite of moral consequences (i.e. no entry into heaven). <br /> <br /> May sound crazy but that’s what I hear.

@Paddy1640 loooooooool this is fuck all to do with the song