"never win" as written by and Warren Fischer Kyle Johnson....
[Chorus:]
I don't need to need you
Tell me what to do
Tell me what to say
Don't you want to help me
Tell me what to do
Help me find a way
If I was not me
I would hate me too
Just like you do
I don't need to need you
Tell me what to do
Tell me what to say

It's all made worse by a simple scheme
You're slipping away from me
Can't decide sometimes if it's worth the point
The point is the struggle, insecurity

Hopefully, you make no mistake
If you learn from what you've got to take
Good or bad, it's all gonna add up in the end but,
You can never win.

[Chorus]

And it's the desperation to hold on to
Something that can't be held on to
So, Don't waste your time filling up my words
Don't tell me why, assume the worst.

Hopefully, you make no mistake
If you learn from what you've got to take
Good or bad, it's all gonna add up in the end but,
You can never win.

Don't thank me,
Don't tell me how,
Don't break me down,
Don't help me make it,

I don't need to need you
Tell me what to do
Tell me what to say
Don't you want to help me
Tell me what to do
Help me find a way


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"Never Win" as written by Kyle Johnson Casey Spooner

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    General CommentI was hoping to find a comment in here, since this song is quite confusing for me. I find it quite bitter, saying that no matter what you do you won't succeed in the end...
    If anyone knows what it is about, please share!
    Gabigson August 14, 2005   Link
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    General Commentthis song to me describes the confusion of not really knowing what you want or what to do, and trying to find hope out of it all. It also describes bitterness in realtionships that brings about this confusion. I love this song great lyrics great sound great band.
    J___Pon October 27, 2005   Link
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    General Commenttechnically speaking isnt it like a bunch of dancers and collaborators and stuff now but it started with the duo thing?
    J___Pon October 28, 2005   Link
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    General CommentI like your interpretation J_P . I think it's about confusion as well...It really sucks, that's why even when I really like this song, it kind of brings me down...I've been there for so long!.
    Gabigson January 20, 2006   Link
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    General CommentI think it's about the speaker being like "piss off, i know you want to tell me what to do and say and think and feel and how to act, but piss off. i'm better than you"
    pandamorandaon August 11, 2006   Link
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    General Comment"it's not a band it's a duo"

    oh shut the fuck up already.






    good song!
    implasticineon October 04, 2006   Link
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    General Comment"it's not a band it's a duo"

    oh shut the fuck up already.






    good song!
    implasticineon October 04, 2006   Link
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    General CommentTo me this song is not about relationship with others. In fact it is very nice lyrics. What

    it is about? It is about mind, or you can call it an ego. If you have some knowlege about

    nonduality, advaita, or even buddhism (zen) it will help you to understand this.

    I don‘t need to need you
    Tell me what to do
    Tell me what to say

    these verses are addressed to the mind. Everything what you do and say is imposed by the

    mind, and one who wants to transcend the mind at first have to rebel against its constant

    "help", he have to stop needing it. So author discribes this part of the "path to freedom"

    If I was not me
    I would hate me too
    Just like you do

    You can say that mind who made himself a master hates you, he always tells you that you are

    not good enought, that you don't have enought, that you can't be happy as you are right now,

    basicly it is constantly making troubles, (and then it tells you what to do and say to get

    rid of them)

    It‘s all made worse by a simple scheme
    You‘re slipping away from me

    It it all that way by the scheme that assume that you are the person. In fact we are the

    persons only in the mind, and you have to hold on to it very hard or otherwise it will slip

    away

    Can‘t decide sometimes if it‘s worth the point
    The point is the struggle, insecurity

    So for the feeling of being a particular person you have to pay in struggle and insecurity.

    Because you have to make this person happy, chase pleasure and avoid pain. And of course

    there is this constant factor of insecurity and fear of loss of what you have.

    Hopefully, you make no mistake
    If you learn from what you‘ve got to take
    Good or bad, it‘s all gonna add up in the end but,
    You can never win.

    This again is to the mind. It shows a healthy approach towards the mind. Mind can learn and

    should learn so that it won't produce suffering anymore. But author knows that in the end

    all its plans for salvation will fail, and mind will be totally erased by its death. So he

    uses it but don't depend on in.

    And it‘s the desperation to hold on to
    Something that can‘t be held on to

    mind and its projections are not something that one can hold on to. If one clings to the

    dreamworld of the mind his desperation will only grow, and grow. Buddha said that the only

    constant thing in the world is change. those verses points to this

    So, Don‘t waste your time filling up my words
    Don‘t tell me why, assume the worst.

    Again look at it as it is adressed to this restless, ever anxious mind.

    Don‘t thank me,
    Don‘t tell me how,
    Don‘t break me down,
    Don‘t help me make it,

    It seems like those words points to the concept of enlightenment. Once mind hears about a

    way out of it into freedom, its starts to do its old stuff, telling how it should be done,

    trying to help you etc.
    But author refuse it all. Not only the "bad" side of mind but also the "good" one.

    Other song "emerge" from fs it also in this spirit, It tells that you don't have to emerge from

    nothingness and become a person and tear away, that you can step back into oneness.

    thanks.
    FuriousSwanon December 22, 2006   Link
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    General Commentit's not a band.. it's a duo
    AzWeThinkIamon October 27, 2005   Link

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