"Sub-Culture" as written by and Bernard (gb 2)/hook Sumner....
One of these days
One of these days
I like walking in the park
When it gets late at night
I move 'round in the dark (the dark)
And leave when it gets light
I sit around by day
Tied up in chains so tight
These crazy words of mine
So wrong they could be
What do I get out of this?
I always try, I always miss (woah)
One of these days you'll go back to your home (one of these days)
You won't even notice that you are alone
One of these days when you sit by yourself (one of these days)
You'll realize you can't shaft without someone else
In the end you will submit
It's got to hurt a little bit

I like talking in my sleep
When people work so hard
They need what they can't keep
A choice that leaves them scarred
A room without a view
Unveils the truth so soon
And when the sun goes down
You've lost what you had
What do I get out of this?
I always try, I always miss (woah)
One of these days you'll go back to your home
You won't even notice that you are alone
One of these days when you sit by yourself (one of these days)
You'll realise you can't shaft without someone else
In the end you will submit (one of these days)
It's got to hurt a little bit

One of these days
One of these days
One of these days
One of these days (woah)
One of these days you'll go back to your home (one of these days)
One of these days when you sit by yourself (one of these days)
You'll realise you can't shaft without someone else
In the end you will, in the end you will, in the end you will submit
It's got to hurt a, got to hurt a, got to hurt a little bit
One of these days
Woah, one of these days you'll go back to your home (one of these days)
Woah, one of these days when you sit by yourself (one of these days)
In the end you will submit (one of these days)
It's got to hurt a little bit


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"Subculture" as written by Peter Hook Bernard (gb 2) Sumner

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  • +5
    General CommentI think it's all about loneliness. You used to deny and pretend you have a wonderful life that others would be jealous of, but in the end, you must admit you're lonely.
    brilliant_greenon January 06, 2009   Link
  • +2
    General Commentthis is also my favorite. i think people try entirely too hard to try and find homosexual undertones in new order songs. i'm gay and i'm getting nothing from this song aside from an extreme sense of lonliness and mistrust of people, none of that is gay specific. i don't think this is homosexual or heterosexual, it just is.
    dxmkrewon December 18, 2006   Link
  • +2
    General CommentI agree with dxmkrew, you guys are trying too hard, but my interpretation is a little different.

    I think the song is about some guy screwing up a relationship, probably through infidelity:

    "I like walking in the park
    When it gets late at night
    I move round in the dark
    And leave when it gets light"

    He's talking about sneaking around.

    "I sit around by day
    Tied up in chains so tight
    These crazy words of mine
    So wrong they could be right"

    This the guilt of having been unfaithful.

    "What do I get out of this
    I always try, I always miss"

    He asks himself what he gets from being in a relationship. He's tried to be faithful in previous relationships, but he's was unfaithful in those as well.

    "One of these days you'll go back to your home
    You won't even notice that you are alone
    One of these days when you sit by yourself
    You'll realise you can't shaft without someone else
    In the end you will submit
    It's got to hurt you a little bit"

    Basically, this is his depression creeping out. He's telling himself that he's destined to be alone, and maybe he should hurt himself?

    "I like talking in my sleep
    When people work so hard
    They need what they can keep
    A choice that leaves them scarred
    A view without a room
    Unveils the truth so soon"

    I think he's trying to say that if people who work hard to save an unhealthy relationship, that they're going to be hurt in the end. Because once the romance is gone, you can see all the things you didn't want to see because you were in love. I say this because to me, "a view without a room," is some reference to E.M. Foster's book "A Room with a View," where he's saying the romance is gone.

    "And when the sun goes down
    You've lost what you had found"

    There are a lot of ways this can be interpreted. It could be that once you can see the truth, things can't go back to the way they were before. I can also see how he could be saying that when night comes, he knows he's going to go out and be unfaithful again.
    jtaniumon May 04, 2007   Link
  • +1
    General CommentCould this song be about homosexual sex and the denial that the speaker is gay? Not sure, could be very wrong. Still, a brillian song, ma fave new order one.
    fantasies&freefallon August 24, 2006   Link
  • +1
    General CommentIs he a vampire in this one? But I agree it does seem highly metaphorical of a homosexual lifestyle. Fantastic song.
    RuinedInADayon October 17, 2006   Link
  • +1
    General CommentI have to agree with people above. I think that song addresses a man who is living a 'straight' life by day and then going out to the parks at night and dogging or picking a male hooker. Or the refrain could be the point of view of the guy he meets at night and the verses abou the man living the double life.
    afilaccioon April 20, 2007   Link
  • +1
    General CommentI had the impression the song was a semi-autobiographical account of the song writing process. The line "These crazy words of mine, so wrong they could be right." seems to suggest this. The line "What do I get out of this? I always try, I always miss" suggests that the author is not happy with how the words come out. Like many artists he works late and walks around until dawn to clear his head.

    I wasn't sure about the word "shaft". This does seem sexual, and I have heard "shag" listening to the song myself, but it can also mean a verbal barb. Perhaps you can't write something very personal without hurting someone, but "in the end you will submit, it's hot got hurt you a little bit". He's telling his loved ones that he is going to write about his relationship with them and it may hurt.
    fletc3heron November 16, 2008   Link
  • +1
    General Commenti agree with dxmkrew,jtanium
    it doesn't have to do with homosexual life , you have to look at the song out of a general view.
    jtanium u make a really nice interpertation


    In my point of view is speaking about someone that tries hard to make relationship with others , it can be just a friendship,she wants so hard to blend in with people and come out with something real, but he always get disappointed.
    When then he starts to live alone , he understands that something is missing , this isn't the way it should be, he has to make relationships again..
    In the end he understands that this is the human nature, there is no perfect relationship, is normal to hurt and get hurted.
    That is the whole point, after the "crucifixion" it comes the "salvation", without hurting or get hurt everything is meaningless

    "One of these days you'll go back to your home
    You won't even notice that you are alone
    One of these days when you sit by yourself
    You'll realise you can't shaft without someone else
    In the end you will submit
    It's got to hurt you a little bit"

    =)
    Smurferon September 24, 2009   Link
  • +1
    General CommentI'm going with the dmxkrew theory - I don't know why so many people read "gay" messages into these songs (so far as I know he's 100% straight).
    I've always interpreted it as "shag" though - that's what it means anyway! The first version I ever heard was the "disco version" where it souunds at times like he's saying "shag" and the overdubbed voices are saying "shaft".
    BTW: Pity there's never been a remix collaging the best elements of the album version, the disco version and "Dub Vulture" (including, of course, that crazy meltdown ending)
    imrazoron November 08, 2010   Link
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